Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #43

[dawnraks]

Then, I'm thinking that the missing evidence went into that moving van. I really have a hard time believing that no one noticed what LS did with the blankets, pillows, etc.

Did they take that second Nissan all the way to Florida and then on to SC? I thought that some relative of LS's turned up with a car from SC or something like that.

I would hate to be in charge of the maps and visuals for trial. Just the driving around Colorado Springs, alone, is confusing. Like the inside of LS's brain.

I believe the AA states the Nissan was returned to the rental

Yes, that would be interesting to know. There were 2 vehicles that left. HH, an "aunt", and LS in one vehicle. The van contained the other "aunt?" and a man. Even if HH and the 2 "aunts" flew to SC, there were still 2 vehicles. LS could have changed drivers and drove the van while the man drove the car and parted ways later. It's entirely possible.

Being that the AA showed LS looking for apartments in Florida, it may be plausible that she came up with some excuse to look at an apartment in Florida and possibly removed Gannon from the moving van stating she needed to get somethings out. I know when I bought a house and we were ready to move, everything was in the moving van, we ran into a SNAFU because the seller did had not sent the POA for her father to sign the final paperwork. We lived in a hotel for a week with the moving van out front. I was in and out of that moving van like crazy getting things I needed. I see it entirely possible for her to remove Gannon undetected and load him in her vehicle to dump him off.

 

[LietKynes]

Eta: Salient points only.
I'm also wondering if fear of HH's 'mother' (hate to use that term) and her relatives has forced HH's choices ?
What a sad life.

 

[LietKynes]

It looks like the family house is no longer available to rent....

I wonder if that means someone rented it or the owners just pulled the listing. What a terrible situation all around.

TS has a magic way of ruining things.

JMO

Think about it.
They'd have to do some major cleaning (not just bleach and vinegar and whatever else HH bought) and maybe renovation if they found a bullet hole or broken drywall ?
Sorry for the graphic but this perp just ticks me off so much.
So many lives ruined, some of them forever.

 

[Ontario Mom]

bbm
Totally agree with the bolded. ^^^
And thanks for pointing out that we can 'agree to disagree'.

<modsnip: Discussing other members is not allowed.>

(Edit : We can discuss the AA; which is not sleuthing.Thanks, OP)

The AA gave us a lot to post about and Gannon's murder while it happened in one horrifying instance over several minutes or longer, did not happen 'out of the blue' and everyone in that household was shocked.

TS had to have been displaying her nastiness and ugly behavior for some time and it had to have been witnessed by those who lived there.
So why not just cooperate ?
We may never know.
Sadly.

I'm not referring to your post, OM.
All is good.

I wasn't raised by a monster so I can't honestly speak to why HH didn't cooperate in the beginning.
I can guess, but it's just pure speculation.
I do tend to agree however that TS's sudden violent, abusive conduct likely wasn't sudden, and EVERYONE in that house, from AS right down to Gannon's little sister likely knew what an explosive temper she had.
That said, no one really believes they're living with, and love someone, who is capable of a killing a child so the idea of being an enabler, as it were, is a really fine line I think.
It's just not as black and white and neat and tidy as we'd all like it to be. It never is.

jmo

 

[LietKynes]

I wasn't raised by a monster so I can't honestly speak to why HH didn't cooperate in the beginning.
I can guess, but it's just pure speculation.
I do tend to agree however that TS's sudden violent, abusive conduct likely wasn't sudden, and EVERYONE in that house, from AS right down to Gannon's little sister likely knew what an explosive temper she had.
That said, no one really believes they're living with, and love someone, who is capable of a killing a child so the idea of being an enabler, as it were, is a really fine line I think.
It's just not as black and white and neat and tidy as we'd all like it to be. It never is.

jmo

Of course you're right about that.^^^

I've voiced my opinion that's all, sometimes I'm way wrong.
There's a case on here that I've read but not followed closely.
Ivan Milat. (deceased now.)
His nephew said he was a monster and did murder those backpackers.
Everyone else in the Milat family have shunned him , and so I think he's a brave person
Some think Ivan's brother may have helped in the killings.
But Ivan's mom said the cops set him up and he was an angel growing up.
So who knows ?

Back to the topic : I'm also interested in who was with TS right before and during her leaving CO ?

I'm guessing she may have spun her usual web of lies....
And I think there might be more surprises in store at the trial.

Part of me wants her to take the stand b/c she's bound to say something that will further put a nail in her coffin.
Here's something I'd read years ago and sorry i can't provide a link but can try to look it up....

The article said women's prisons are far worse then the mens'.
What that meant I don't know.
But a short documentary on CNN about mens' prisons showed a place full of despair, hopelessness and anger.
For some prisoners doing life without parole, they might wish they were dead instead.

Sometimes guards will look the other way.

Who would want to live like that until you're 89 or so ?
Not me.

 

[nyvictoria]

I haven't posted the Case Archive link for a while. Added a few articles.

Justice for Gannon:
Justice For Gannon by amanda reckonwith

Main Case Archive, Gannon Stauch:
Gannon Stauch -CO- by amanda reckonwith


edited to add,
(If you want to just skip to what's new)
This link takes you straight to anything new I add to the Archives( in all the cases I archive):
amanda reckonwith on Photobucket

Thank you for keeping up with this. It’s a huge job and much appreciated!

 

[Sillybilly]

Please stop chastising other members or bickering over what is or is not allowed to speculate on with regard to HH. Bickering, discussing other members, and telling other what they should and should not post is a violation of TOS, so please read The Rules.

Trying to clean up the bickering in this thread while trying to retain some salient points in responses becomes almost impossible.

If you don't like the post, scroll and roll. If you think the post actually violates TOS or thread specific exceptions that have been made, just Report it and say nothing more about it. Let Mods/Admins review it and decide. You are here to discuss the case, not moderate the thread. That's what Mods and Admins are here for. Make sense?

Thank you.

 

[nyvictoria]

Patrick Frazee planned to kill Kelsey, and make it look like she left on her own volition.

How did he do that? He beat her to death in her own home, leaving blood everywhere. He could have killed her any number of other ways, and possibly gotten away with it.

But that genius chose a baseball bat.

TS leaving her phone at home that morning, showed that this was part of a premeditated plot. That Google search supports that as well. I’m sure there is a hell of a lot more evidence than that though.

So a crime can be premeditated, and still show signs of rage. Both can be true at the same time.

I think types like LS get off on the violence and blood associated with the murder. She needed that release and the satisfaction that Gannon would never again interfere with her life so she probably didn’t stop to consider what a mess it was going to be. Frazee had his clean-up pal handle the aftermath of Kelsey’s murder. LS apparently cleaned up her mess by herself. I bet that aggravated her to no end. She may have researched how to remove blood on a computer LE isn’t aware of. Possibly at school?

 

[BeckyF]

Yeah, there appears to be absolutely no evidence that she knew the murder was about to happen, or participated in the murder.

Any potential criminal activity would have come after the fact, provided that she knew what she was helping with.

But there also doesn’t appear to be any evidence that she knew what her mom did (she might have been told the rape story).

And remember before her arrest and she had that phone interview with the Crime On Line reporter and TS was supposed to have another phone interview but she had HH call and cancel because supposedly she was pregnant and in the hospital. I guess you can think of this as further evidence HH was being submissive to mom based on the relationship they had OR that HH should have been suspicious of this and talked to LE about what she knew.
ETA: IF she knew anything.

 

[catch_22]

I wonder if the "cardboard box" is actually the particle board?

Maybe "cardboard box" was the best description that investigators could come up with through the maze of T-speak?

I can see them going round and round as she tried to explain what it was:

"It was like a piece of wood, but not like the real wood kind. You know, like that board wood stuff. Oh, i forget what it's called......"

LE: "Let's move on......"

JMO

 

[LietKynes]

I will bet quite a bit that they all drove. We can't sleuth them, but let's just say that they weren't completely off of social media during that time period.

What I'd like to know is if that young man from CoS (the one that reporter Spencer Wells mentioned, so we can at least mention he exists - his name is in the affadavit, I believe) went to SC and whether he is still there.

bbm
LE aren't constrained as far as sleuthing the social media of whomever traveled with TS after she left CO.
I'm thinking they've gone over quite a bit and have a good timeline by now.
My guess is that TS dropped him by that interstate in FL all by her lonesome; b/c that's not something you want anyone even family to be along for.
There are some who won't shut up on SM even when it's in their own interest; but continue to blab away.
Fine, but want to bet LE are reading your comments ?

 

[BeckyF]

Eta: Salient points only.
I'm also wondering if fear of HH's 'mother' (hate to use that term) and her relatives has forced HH's choices ?
What a sad life.

I think definitely it has. HH probably feels very alone right now. I hope she has a support network other than the family of TS.

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder if the "cardboard box" is actually the particle board?

Maybe "cardboard box" was the best description that investigators could come up with through the maze of T-speak?

I can see them going round and round as she tried to explain what it was:

"It was like a piece of wood, but not like the real wood kind. You know, like that board wood stuff. Oh, i forget what it's called......"

LE: "Let's move on......"

JMO

Great thought. Because what the hell would a cardboard box have to do with anything?

A suitcase for “Eduargo” to put Gannon’s body in, and a cardboard box for what?

So either the box is really that board, or he was put on top of cardboard as well. Who knows though?

 

[squareandrabbet]

I realize I am replying to my own post lol but something else that came to me, and it's regarding Letecia stating that Gannon had an "accident" in his pants....Is it possible that she did try to overdose him and knowing that they would discover a lot of whatever medication at autopsy, she was trying to lay groundwork for an excuse as to possibly why he would so much of such and such med in his system? "oh he went in his pants so I had to give him more med" What do y'all think???

Wasn't it mentioned in a much earlier thread, that Imodium (anti-diarrheal) given in large quantities, functions as an opiate? Maybe at the time of death, Gannon in fact had the "opposite problem". I wouldn't rule it out, especially when combined with the "walking sluggishly" pronouncement of RD; plus the kind of control freak LS is.

In other information, I was assuming that the (as-Spencer characterized, I believe) "young man", was either a nephew/cousin or a boyfriend of HH's.

(If his name and address exists on the AA, I don't know of it; so I guarantee this could be faulty logic on my part.)

 

[NervousNellie]

Great thought. Because what the hell would a cardboard box have to do with anything?

A suitcase for “Eduargo” to put Gannon’s body in, and a cardboard box for what?

So either the box is really that board, or he was put on top of cardboard as well. Who knows though?

Who knows? But we can rest assured she used a cardboard box for something nefarious!

 

[GordianKnot]

It’s not MSM, but it does provide a transcription of her phone conversation with another woman that DWAP aired.

It’s funny though, as she has already told LE about “Eduardo” at this point, yet she continues to present to entertain scenarios that could have occurred.

I expect that phone call to be used as evidence against her, although it may not be needed thanks to the many hours of phone calls that the wiretap picked up.

BBM:

*"Eguardo."

There! Fixed it.

 

[Sillybilly]

Please put timelines in the Media, Maps & Timeline *No Discussion* thread that is linked in the opening post of the thread.

 

[Inthedetails]

Great thought. Because what the hell would a cardboard box have to do with anything?

A suitcase for “Eduargo” to put Gannon’s body in, and a cardboard box for what?

So either the box is really that board, or he was put on top of cardboard as well. Who knows though?

I bet there is a bloody cardboard box somewhere in CO.
jmo

 

[MassGuy]

BBM:

*"Eguardo."

There! Fixed it.

My phone clearly doesn’t think that “Eguardo” is a word.

It’s half right; it’s a real name, but not a real person.

Lovely new avatar by the way. It’s ok, as you did have the other one up for a week. Message received, and yes, I’m still flattered.

 

[nyvictoria]

What the holy heck is this woman's obsession with a military man?? I love a man in uniform as much as anyone, but I'm aware of the commitment & time that being in the military involves. Being a military spouse involves support & sacrifice. If her goal was to be the center of attention, having someone around all the time to "help" and dote on her, and lots of personal time together.....what was she thinking?!?!? And she already had a military man, why look for another if she was dissatisfied?

Maybe she wants a military man because he would be away a lot. Gives her more time to herself without a husband to interfere in whatever she has going on.