Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #43

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The case being made so far in this AA, submitted before the additional evidence of the body, is that LS murdered Gannon in his house in his bedroom sometime on or around 1/27. Also that the video surveillance provided by the neighbor is unclear and inconclusive.
I have read posts on WS in which the poster believes, due to said video, that Gannon left the house alive on the morning of 10/27 and did not return; this is where there is doubt. If she killed him within the 4 hour trip away from the house then she couldn't have killed him in the house.

I am just curious about what posters think a jury would believe if the case were presented as it has been in the AA. vs the doubt created by the neighbors surveillance video.

That is all I was asking. I was not asking if "anyone on here doubts that LS is guilty of all charges" as you stated in your interpretation.

BBM & CBM

Either way (location) LS killed this innocent boy, there is no reasonable doubt about that! :(:(:(

The question you posed is what would the jury think based on the doubt created by the neighbor's video. It might make me doubt the location of Gannon's murder, but not the person responsible and that's what the charges are based on. Location doesn't really matter, a case could be made for murder in that house OR during the 4 hour outing. LS still had Gannon's blood in her SUV....it was used to transport his body from the murder location, whether that was the house or a remote location off of Hwy 105.

My mind still cannot completely accept that he returned to the house. However, I don't have ALL the evidence that the jury will have when this case is presented at trial. Even when this AA was written they didn't have all the evidence, the key piece being Gannon's body. As DDA Michael Allen said, that discovery changes things and that the investigation will continue until the case goes to trial. IMO there wasn't any reasonable doubt before, any further evidence they find/present just seals her miserable fate even further!

MOO

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I don't know what her attraction to military men is, but perhaps she grew up in a home with unstable employment for her parents (I don't know if that is the case) and her own employment wasn't stable (her own fault), so the reliable paycheck and benefits of a military spouse might look really great.

jmo
Maybe she likes that they are gone all the time.
 
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Been a little while since I posted in this thread.

It appears LE believes Gannon was murdered upon arrival home, like, within 20 minutes of arriving home, on the 27th, "after approximately 1414hrs".

So here's what I think. LS thought the entire thing out, actually planned it that day, likely during the 4 hour drive. Sure, she may have wanted to kill him during that 4 hour window, but did not.

So, within 2o minutes or so of arriving home, she murders Gannon on the bed. She puts him in a suitcase, hauls it upstairs, and puts it in her Tiguan. She cleans up best as she can, hauling all evidence she can up and outta there.

She dumps/conceals his body on the 28th up there off Rt. 105, late in the evening. (It's likely Gannon's body spent the day at the airport on the 28th, in the Tiguan.)

On another topic, I never have been, and still am not, convinced anything dramatic happened to the carpet.

Anyway, my question, after reading a bunch here, do y'all really think LE cares if LS is a narcissist?

Also, do y'all really think LE cares if others who may be involved are or were influenced by LS's behavior over the years?
They do have behavioral scientists on witness list. The motive imo is directly tied to NPD.
 
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I don't know if Eguardo exists or not, but it would be worth LE's time to investigate local construction sites to see if anyone did see her. It's possible construction sites were dump locations for evidence - they usually have big dumpsters, right?

Perhaps the "I met Eguardo at a construction site" was pre-splaining anything LE might find at a construction site or dumpster.

Though I want to know what she was doing at a construction site on Sunday like she claims and also what Eguardo was doing working at night at a construction site. I very much doubt he exists, but worth calling the witness and then explaining to the jury that he couldn't be found. After all, she said he exists - might as well prove her lies in court.

jmo
IMO it was prudent for the DA to include "Eguardo" - who probably doesn't exist - in the witness list. It shows that LE and the DA didn't flippantly dismiss LS's claims. As stupid as her story was, ignoring it could imply that LE had "tunnel vision" and focused their investigation only on LS and refused to consider other suspects which in turn could open the door to an appeal.
 
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I don’t disagree. I would have absolutely no problem convicting her. IMO her numerous lies show such consciousness of guilt that I feel a jury, when adding her lies to all the hard evidence, will have to convict her. I think most everyone here feels the same. But we’re in a unique position here. Most of us have been through numerous cases from start to finish. A lot of us have specialized backgrounds that allow a better understanding of the way LE investigates and collects evidence and how that evidence is then interpreted and presented to a jury.

Then I think about Casey Anthony, a prolific liar. That jury did not convict. I do believe there is much more and better evidence in this case but there is just no telling what a jury will decide when they finally meet after all the evidence is in. Jeff Ashton thought he had an intelligent jury. Despite well-prepared jury questionnaires and voir dire, it’s pretty much a crap shoot.

I want LE and the DA take their time and investigate every little avenue to neutralize the efforts of the defense. I don’t care how many times they lie to or mislead the suspect or the public. I hope they interviewed every Edguardo, who works in construction, in a 50 mile radius. We all want a conviction and that takes time and diligence. I have no doubt these investigators and DA are doing just that.
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't DDA Michael Allen succeeding Dan May?
If so, then imagine the pressure to win? In addition to this being the case of his career. I really like that he appears confident and ready to go.
 
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@10ofRods ... during the cousin IT interview, TS accentuated on HH being a chi-uld while at the same time professing that she is in the military defending our country.

Could a reasonable doubt be raised if the finger is pointed at HH as the actual killer, and TS was covering it up??

There is not enough evidence to convict HH, but maybe enough to raise a doubt which is all TS needs to walk out of that jail.

So, I beg of anyone to please put these fears of mine to rest!

If she intends to throw her daughter under the bus, her defense team will have to convince a judge there's enough evidence to charge HH. I think that's impossible. I don't think any states allow a person's defense to be pointing a random finger at someone else and then calling witnesses against that person.

There would have to be compelling evidence that HH did it. I can't think of any. If LS thinks she knows that HH did it (!) then LS will have to take the stand (and be demolished). Since HH can be called to the stand by either side, that would certainly happen (the prosecution would call HH and HH would have alibis and give no evidence that she killed Gannon, in fact, one would presume that HH would totally flip on LS if LS tried this).

Since LS is lying and is the only person with "knowledge" about Eguardo, Quincy or HH being criminals - she has to testify to that. There is no other evidence. No blood on HH's shoes - blood on LS's shoes instead. So far, no DNA of Quincy or Eguardo involved. By now, they've probably accounted for the various DNA in the house by testing AS as well (and Quincy and Eguardo).

If Eguardo is the one who came and repaired the carpet, he may in fact testify as to what actually happened to that carpet (LS is lying about it, IMO).

No defense is allowed to name 3 random people instead of the defendant, although they can try and sneak it into the closing argument, there would be no evidence presented - unless from the beginning, the judge allows it.

It could get really interesting if the defense even try to hint at Quincy, just as an example. Not only would Quincy then be called to testify, but it would open the door to Letecia's own lovely past, which I believe includes at least a brief stint as a sex worker.

But the real star witness is sure to be Albert Stauch himself, to testify about all the various things Letecia said and when she said them. Quincy's name doesn't come up until February! Letecia lies to AS consistently and continues to do so. He knows what's missing from the house. He knows where that bed was supposed to be that morning. He also knows LS and how she's behaved in the past.

So do not worry. She can't claim that HH did it, it's absolutely crazy to do so and there is no evidence and it would only cause HH to testify against her in more detail than she might otherwise.

Because HH will definitely be called to the stand. Once the DA establishes the overall timeline, then HH will testify about her run to Dollar General to get trash bags, etc. I'm sure HH will also be asked about what parts of the house were cleaned (and they will all correspond with where Gannon's blood was found).

HH is slowly getting over the shock of the actual events, but by the time of the trial, her main concern is going to be keeping herself out of jail and telling the truth. Her own attorney (one she'll have to pay for, herself, so hopefully she can do that) will advise her to tell the truth.

I think once in court, HH will in fact tell the truth. She may try to cover up some things, but the jury will readily see that - she's so young and court is very intimidating.
 
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IMO it was prudent for the DA to include "Eguardo" - who probably doesn't exist - in the witness list. It shows that LE and the DA didn't flippantly dismiss LS's claims. As stupid as her story was, ignoring it could imply that LE had "tunnel vision" and focused their investigation only on LS and refused to consider other suspects which in turn could open the door to an appeal.
Yes, and I think it will be powerful to explain they they looked and looked for an Eguardo who worked on a Sunday night at a nearby construction site and couldn't find one.

The jury will get the message, loud and clear (might even be a moment of comic relief).

jmo
 
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97. “The back door of the residence.”
MOO that "back door" the slider to the back yard off the kitchen?
LS felt they were hiding something by telling her nothing was wrong by them asking for GS toothbrush. They didn’t lie to her.

The FBI has a plan in place for missing persons cases. They follow it by the book, step by step. Especially a missing child. They request something with the missing persons DNA or a family members DNA early in the case. Whether they suspect runaway, kidnapping or foul play, they will have DNA waiting to match to any evidence found.

Her consciousness of guilt made her think something wasn’t right with their request. An innocent parent would be more than happy to help LE .

LE didn’t have a lot of evidence pointing towards her in the first 24 hours, but they definitely had data and statistics that leads to scrutinizing the last adult to see a missing child.
I see no fault in the amount of time local LE and FBI took to build their case.
MOO
Agree. her guilt made her question normal procedure.
Innocent parents are like "rip it all up," get through us family as quick as possible.
Also noticible with LS is her lack of debilitating guilt. An innocent parent who, for some reason didn't know where their kid was going when they dissappeared would probably be barely able to stand up when talking about the childs disappearance.
MOO liife is shattered, guilt is overwhelming, hope is a moving target.
 
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Nope, it still doesn’t work. HH has an alibi, and TS and Gannon were alone.

There is no way to insert someone else, while at the same time, removing TS from the equation.

Do you think LE has a murder weapon/weapons in their possession?
 
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Nope, it still doesn’t work. HH has an alibi, and TS and Gannon were alone.

There is no way to insert someone else, while at the same time, removing TS from the equation.
Thank you MassGuy ;)

Then alright, I can't think of anything that would raise a doubt to a juror.
 
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@10ofRods ... during the cousin IT interview, TS accentuated on HH being a chi-uld while at the same time professing that she is in the military defending our country.

Could a reasonable doubt be raised if the finger is pointed at HH as the actual killer, and TS was covering it up??

There is not enough evidence to convict HH, but maybe enough to raise a doubt which is all TS needs to walk out of that jail.

So, I beg of anyone to please put these fears of mine to rest!

JMO
The other day I brought up that the rented white Kia at the airport looked an awful lot like HH vehicle so I wondered if TS did that on purpose and was maybe trying to frame her own daughter which I would not put it past her, but even if she does try that, here is how I look at it.....

First of all, only TS is charged with murder so the jury will only be deciding on TS fate.

The defense can and probably will bring up all kinds of crazy things to try to confuse the jury but juries are very smart (well...usually, except for Casey Anthony's jury...lol).

But if the defense tries to throw the blame on her daughter, then I am willing to bet that her daughter at that point would be glad to get up on the stand and testify and share all kinds of extra details that will further prove TS is guilty. She is not going to stay quiet and stay by her Mom's side if her Mom ends up throwing her under a bus and tries to throw the blame on her. She would most likely become part of the Prosecution team's list of witnesses at that point.

All JMO
 
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IIRC It was the door to the back yard.
Why the backyard? Stashing plastic bags with clean up items and bedding?
The route up tthe stairs to the garage was private, while the back door is overlooked by neighbor windows.
She isn't just a dull or slow thinker, she has super fast energized bad thinking.
 
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Do you think LE has a murder weapon/weapons in their possession?
It’s certainly possible, although it’s not necessary for conviction.
 
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JMO
The other day I brought up that the rented white Kia at the airport looked an awful lot like HH vehicle so I wondered if TS did that on purpose and was maybe trying to frame her own daughter which I would not put it past her, but even if she does try that, here is how I look at it.....

First of all, only TS is charged with murder so the jury will only be deciding on TS fate.

The defense can and probably will bring up all kinds of crazy things to try to confuse the jury but juries are very smart (well...usually, except for Casey Anthony's jury...lol).

But if the defense tries to throw the blame on her daughter, then I am willing to bet that her daughter at that point would be glad to get up on the stand and testify and share all kinds of extra details that will further prove TS is guilty. She is not going to stay quiet and stay by her Mom's side if her Mom ends up throwing her under a bus and tries to throw the blame on her. She would most likely become part of the Prosecution team's list of witnesses at that point.

All JMO
Hatfield, I don't think there is a poster on this forum with a doubt that TS would throw HH under the bus if it benefited her.
 
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Thank you MassGuy ;)

Then alright, I can't think of anything that would raise a doubt to a juror.
Just wait until the preliminary hearing. Patrick Frazee’s was done in a day, and May’s team presented overwhelming evidence.

This one is going to take place over two days. Any lingering doubts will fade away.
 
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Thank you MassGuy ;)

Then alright, I can't think of anything that would raise a doubt to a juror.
The only hope I think she has is if LE or prosecutors make a legal misstep. If LE messes up the investigation, evidence could be tossed out. If prosecution messes up, she could appeal a guilty verdict.

Other than that, I don't think she has a chance in H.E.Double-hockey-sticks.

jmo
 
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Nope, it still doesn’t work. HH has an alibi, and TS and Gannon were alone.

There is no way to insert someone else, while at the same time, removing TS from the equation.

Just to draw out how difficult this would be, the Defense would have to claim that Gannon was killed at an entirely different time. He cannot have been killed (or gone missing) during any time between Monday morning and 4:30 pm. Then, there would be 3 people in the house (with poor Laina made to stay outside) and LS there in the house while HH brutally kills Gannon in the basement.

So Gannon and LS are just chilling in the house and HH comes home from work and kills him? About two hours later LS calls 911 and lies to them, knowing her daughter has inexplicably killed her stepson? HH is sent to get cleaning supplies.

The ADT records do not show this pattern. Two people in the house until Gannon is killed, then just one. One very busy person, going in and out the back door. HH comes home at 4:38 and then is sent out again. How does she ever get a chance to kill Gannon?

I mean, I guess LS could tell her attorneys a 5th (nth) story and throw HH under the bus, claiming that HH came home a bit early and that the two of them switched positions immediately at the front door, except of course the video doesn't show this. It would be quite obvious on their own porch camera or the neighbors' cameras.

Nope. No defense attorney is going to show up in court with a defense like that and no judge would permit it.

The bloody sneaker has only LS's DNA on the inside of it. I can't even imagine the drama of HH having to testify against her own mother, if LS made those statements (she'd have to take the stand - again, I think her attorneys will quit over such a ridiculous strategy, and if they can't quit, it will be a very lackluster defense, as LS will be throwing her own self to the wolves if she tries it).

It certainly would bring her Life + 156 years or whatever the maximum is, if she's in competition with PF.
 
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It’s certainly possible, although it’s not necessary for conviction.

Yes, Yes, I posed the question as I was thinking of the charges, and the possible use of a rifle/firearm, knife, or blunt object, mainly, the idea that LE may very well have, I might even venture to say, likely have, evidence unbeknownst to us.
 
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The only hope I think she has is if LE or prosecutors make a legal misstep. If LE messes up the investigation, evidence could be tossed out. If prosecution messes up, she could appeal a guilty verdict.

Other than that, I don't think she has a chance in H.E.Double-hockey-sticks.

jmo

JMO
I agree and just want to point out that that is one of the main reasons why some obviously guilty murderers will still elect to go to trial anyway instead of pleading guilty.

They and their defense team are hoping there is some legal loophole that will surface or be created during the trial or before it.

Most defense teams will use a tried and true practice of delay, delay, delay because more often than not, it usually benefits the defense more than the prosecution to delay things.

They do this because a lot can change over time. Witnesses begin to forget things the longer the case gets dragged out, and new evidence can be found sometimes. So a defense team will usually always try to delay things as a tactic.

In addition to whatever normal defense they will bring to the trial, the whole time before and during the trial a defense is always on the lookout for some sort of legal loophole to help their client.

For a solid prosecution case like this one, I dont think any defense tactics are going to work and it will just be a matter of time before TS hears a guilty verdict.
 
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