Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #43

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My opinion is that the hiking trip on Sunday afternoon was, by her already either "thought out" plan or fantasy driven impulse, to be where TS would either have GS involved in an unfortunate accident (I lean towards the photograph taken at a precarious drop as an attempt at a cover after realising they could be seen by another hiker), or a disappearance. This thought/impulse/plan having not worked out the way she probably fantasised, the rest followed. MOO.
What's everyone opinion on when TS decided to kill Gannon?

I'm on the fence - would love to hear some ideas.

jmo
 
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I think you may have just named T's memoir:
"Tissues in My Britches" has a nice ring to it!
(I bet one of you can think of a subtitle in the blink of an eye.)
Subtitle: "Everyone Owes Me an Apology for Noticing I Killed My Stepson"

Excuses for the tissue stuffing, as narrated by LS for the imaginary book:
- I was trying to gather DNA evidence from Eguardo and Quincy myself
- Police vindictively gave me too much water during the interview, so I peed myself
- Those weren't tissues, they were my police interview notes describing rapist #3, "Chuy"

And the classic Letecia excuse, where she accidentally incriminates herself further: "Those internet detective types think my DNA was on the tissues from crying, and I was trying to keep police from obtaining my DNA... but they're wrong, because I haven't shed a single actual tear!"
 
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Awesome. Here are my questions, in italics:

Monday: 04:42 PM: HH returns home in Jetta, picks up sister, and goes to store. (What car does HH take to the store?)

Tuesday 07:00 PM: LS returns to the airport and retrieves the Tiguan. (How did LS get to the airport to pick up her Tiguan?)

Wednesday 09:00 AM: The Kia is returned to the airport. (I think the affidavit implies that HH picked up TS from the airport after TS dropped off the Kia.)


jmo
Monday: 04:42 PM: According to the affidavit, the receipt for the cleaning supplies which LS requested in a text to HH at 04:52 was found in the Tiguan.

Tuesday 07:00 PM: There is no comment concerning this in the affidavit. (Strictly my personal opinion-she went "shopping" at that plaza, and possibly took a shuttle not tracked to the airport from there.)

Wednesday 09:00 AM: Yes. If HH picked up LS at the airport, no note is made as to any other point the Jetta may have been prior to LS interview. As follows, LS arrived 2 hrs late at noon to this interview in the Tiguan; at which point they seized the Tiguan.
 
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Yes, one of the places she told him was "near" the French Elementary school.
But I'm not sure it was ever actually there, since LE could not find it. It seems like if it was in that vicinity they would have located it. I think that's when it was at the airport.

Is the French Elementary School near the area of Powers and Carefree, where HH went to pick her up?
That should give us an indication as to whether she actually parked there or not.

Imo
I've been curious about this subject- LE was interested in finding the Tiguan. Did AS tell them what TS said about it being parked at French Elementary? They could quickly verify if that was true with a drive-by. When they discover it's a lie, the natural conclusion would seem to be- she has a rental car, the Tiguan is prob parked at the airport. The AA doesn't state they looked for it there, but why not? Too early in the case, they only suspected she did something to Gannon at this time in the case?

My point, if Gannon's body was in the car at the airport. This was such a missed opportunity. :(

Monday morning quarterbacking, hindsight is 20/20 ...
 
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My opinion is that the hiking trip on Sunday afternoon was, by her already either "thought out" plan or fantasy driven impulse, to be where TS would either have GS involved in an unfortunate accident (I lean towards the photograph taken at a precarious drop as an attempt at a cover after realising they could be seen by another hiker), or a disappearance. This thought/impulse/plan having not worked out the way she probably fantasised, the rest followed. MOO.
This theory makes sense!!
 
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Okay, so this is my tracking of the vehicles extracted from the affidavit, minus my own speculations.

Monday: January 27
10:17 AM:
The Red Nissan Frontier (AS truck) is documented leaving the residence.
02:20 PM: The Red Nissan Frontier (AS truck) is documented returning to the residence.
04:42 PM: HH returns home in Jetta, picks up sister, and goes to store.

Tuesday: January 28
08:30 AM
: LS arrives at the airport in the Tiguan, and proceeds to rent the Kia.
07:00 PM: LS returns to the airport and retrieves the Tiguan.
08:30 PM to 10:20 PM: The Tiguan is tracked to the Northwest region (area of suspicion) and then to the area of Powers and Carefree (a shopping area approximately 8 miles from the airport.
10:26 PM: HH receives a text, and the Jetta is tracked to the vicinity of Powers and Carefree.

Wednesday: January 29
09:00 AM:
The Kia is returned to the airport.
12:00 PM (noon): Letecia arrives for her interview in the Tiguan. The Tiguan is taken. After the Tiguan is seized, LS obtains the Grey Nissan Ultima.

Friday: January 31st
Tracking of the Ultima shows that it traveled to the Northwest Region (area of suspicion).
This Ultima and a moving vehicle are also noted in video and witness accounts during the interview given by LS.
Can you edit Monday to show the Tiguan was parked in the driveway at 10:17 & 4:42?
 
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This is speculation:

Perhaps she claimed car trouble? And that's where the car broke down? That's the only explanation I can think of that would make a glimmer of sense, imo, but my imagination is not as vivid as TS.

Just my opinion.
The only logical explanation I can think of is that the school she mentioned was far enough from the airport to throw LE and AS off track, and that's all she was thinking at the time.

She doesn't seem to think before she speaks. It's as if her mouth moves faster than she can process the information in her brain.

Her thought processes are irrational, so she probably didn't give him a reason that made sense.

Just like the "Eguardo" story never made sense, or the story about Quincy Brown laying down in the road, or Gannon falling off his bike and hitting his head, or Landen or her husband sending someone to steal Gannon.

What I don't understand is how no-one around her ever noticed this before.

Imo
 
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Can you edit Monday to show the Tiguan was parked in the driveway at 10:17 & 4:42?
I wish I could but it would be speculation. There is no report in the affidavit, of where the Tiguan was at these time frames.
 
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What's everyone opinion on when TS decided to kill Gannon?

I'm on the fence - would love to hear some ideas.

jmo
We hours of the next morning.

Her video, to me, was still damage control to her benefit.

However.....

Sounds like texting took place between her and AS: "what am I going to tell them at work?" I think her plan was already in the making. I think she gaslit/roped AS into the conversation and query.
 
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Well, we can't really expect her to know the difference between 'speculation' and 'inference,' after all.

She did imply that 10% of the affidavit contains some facts, in her defense.

Oh wow, that's an interesting point. You are very likely right. In fact, she expects people to take everything she says as fact, while what everyone else says is "speculation" (even if it is grounded in the most solid inference).

For example, about the rental cars: maybe she used someone else's credit card to rent them? So she didn't really have a rental car. Therefore (she's claiming) there's no proof she was actually in any rental cars. Now we all know that the rental car agency took her Driver's License number as well, but she's just not going to remember or mention that. The rental agency probably has video of her each time she rented from them. But that's not in the AA and she doesn't know that yet.

In the early days of this case, when she still had her FB open and she was so active on FB, she began asking people in earnest, "What kinds of evidence could LE even have on this case?" and people were telling her, "Well, there could be DNA evidence" or "video evidence of many kinds." She seemed quite activated by this knowledge and began much more of her pre-splaining, including a lot that has now become public. She had already made the gate statement before any of this happened, and now we know she was back in South Carolina when she was so active on FB. She must have been frantic, wondering how things were going down back in CO, while LE remained cool and aloof, refusing to feed her needs.

The behavioral advice that LE got in this case was really great, it seems to me.

As an anthropologist, this case became my first foray into the world of FB group behavior, following LS around where ever I could. I believe this is how she met the people with whom she later had phone calls.

There were at least two women who tried to help her out by explaining how all these different kinds of evidence could be brought against her. LS saw it as being friendly and helpful, but it really scared her. She was still thinking she could get away with it.

I was not permitted into any of her support groups because I answered their questions honestly, as I must, according to professional ethics. But she clearly rounded up some of these helpful people and got them into a couple of closed FB groups.

To me, it seemed obvious that many of the members of those groups were there to snoop on her, and in fact, several posted various places (here on WS, on reddit, on other closed FB groups), making it clear they were there to spy.

I wonder how she deals with the "speculation" that she was wearing shoes when she murdered Gannon and forgot to get rid of them. I also wonder about her statement, that went something like, "I know who did this and I've put that behind me...moving on." I think it was in an interview with Leigh. She may have truly mega-ability to compartmentalize and disassociate.
 
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Got it.
Any idea how someome would explain leaving their car at school? I don't believe minus a field trip how that could even be explained.
I can hear it now. "Honey I had to park it over by the school. As a matter of fact I did it the afternoon you drove to the airport. You know, so and so lives over there. While she's out of town I parked there so it looks like some one is home."

We know AS and LE were in cahoots together temporarily looking for the VW. To no avail.

Early on I made the comment, maybe it wasn't GS that made AS call TS a liar. Maybe it was something else.

Like the VW was there all along.

Kudos to who ever came up with the idea about the VW. I've been out of the loop again. Trying to play catch up.
 
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Awesome. Here are my questions, in italics:

Monday: 04:42 PM: HH returns home in Jetta, picks up sister, and goes to store. (What car does HH take to the store?)

Tuesday 07:00 PM: LS returns to the airport and retrieves the Tiguan. (How did LS get to the airport to pick up her Tiguan?)

Wednesday 09:00 AM: The Kia is returned to the airport. (I think the affidavit implies that HH picked up TS from the airport after TS dropped off the Kia.)


jmo

Maybe I can answer the second one. She still has her Kia rental car. On Tuesday morning, she used it to pick up Albert. Then she does whatever all day (sits outside while the police are there, refusing to come in the house?) Police talk to AS, LH, HH and Laina. LS must have been really antsy.

Then she drives to the airport, leaves the Kia in short term parking near the Tiguan and takes the Tiguan out.

And yes, when she finally drops of the Kia, HH picks her up, that's the way I understand it too.
 
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The only logical explanation I can think of is that the school she mentioned was far enough from the airport to throw LE and AS off track, and that's all she was thinking at the time.

She doesn't seem to think before she speaks. It's as if her mouth moves faster than she can process the information in her brain.

Her thought processes are irrational, so she probably didn't give him a reason that made sense.

Just like the "Eguardo" story never made sense, or the story about Quincy Brown laying down in the road, or Gannon falling off his bike and hitting his head, or Landen or her husband sending someone to steal Gannon.

What I don't understand is how no-one around her ever noticed this before.

Imo
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ITA.

I have a feeling people might have known.

Maybe they didn't know the depths to which this perp was willing to descend, but enough that there had to be suspicions raised.
By "they" I mean take your pick of the people around TS, within the home and outside of it.
I do mean this respectfully.

Had TS displayed rage towards Gannon or even his little sister before the murder ?
Had either child talked about it to anyone ?
So many unanswered questions.
My .02 is that there were warning signs that sadly were ignored or missed. :(
 
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The only logical explanation I can think of is that the school she mentioned was far enough from the airport to throw LE and AS off track, and that's all she was thinking at the time.

She doesn't seem to think before she speaks. It's as if her mouth moves faster than she can process the information in her brain.

Her thought processes are irrational, so she probably didn't give him a reason that made sense.

Just like the "Eguardo" story never made sense, or the story about Quincy Brown laying down in the road, or Gannon falling off his bike and hitting his head, or Landen or her husband sending someone to steal Gannon.

What I don't understand is how no-one around her ever noticed this before.

Imo
Same here! But sometimes living in an ongoing situation just becomes more normal.
But looking from the outside in....Oh boy!
 
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I think there is something about the school that made her say that - was it L's school, maybe? But the truth is, the Tiguan was at the airport when she said it was by the school.
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BBM
She is familiar with the school. She worked at French Elementary. That's the connection.

Per zoning Mountain Ridge would be the school Laina and Gannon attended.

Additional tidbits

Bus tracker app tells you exactly when bus is in the neighborhood, I think it can even send live updates with pics

LS is still listed on the French Elementary website (HA surprised they have not scrubbed all and any references, some webmaster is slacking)

(Letecia Stauch worked as a part-time substitute teacher for five months in early 2019 for Widefield School District and served as a full-time teacher at French Elementary School in Colorado Springs from August to December, according to the divorce filing.)
Gannon Stauch case: More than 107 search warrants filed during investigation into woman suspected of killing missing stepson | GreeleyTribune.com
 
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  • Maybe.

    I realize it's an unpopular position to take here but if HH really doesn't know much (or at least not much that can be admitted as evidence) and her involvement was after the fact and somewhat equivocal, I hope she's not forced to testify extensively.

    Partly I hope that because I currently do have some sympathy for HH. She may be about to turn 18 but she's still a teenager. I realize 18-year olds fight for our country in the military. I realize 18-year old males must register with Selective Service, I realize 18-year olds can get married without parental consent. (And in Colorado, children of pretty much any age can marry. For children 15 years old and younger a judge’s approval is required while those 16 or 17 can marry with either a judge's approval or parental consent.) In Colorado, children of any age can get married. A former child bride thinks that should change.

    But even in Colorado, a person has to be 21 to buy alcohol and recreational marijuana. So as a society we do have kind of a "schizophrenic" approach when answering the question "when does adulthood begin?"

    Also though, forcing family members to testify under duress can sometimes create sympathy not only for them but for the defendant.

    It also seems to me it's going to be hard to make the case for the jury 17-year old HH should have known what was going on in the house while AS didn't (although I don't think AS did.) AS is approaching 40 years of age, he's fathered children and shared legal custody of them, he's been married before, he's served the country in the military for many years, he's been married to TS for 5 years and obviously was involved with her for longer than that, he's slept with her day in and day out...yet he didn't know but HH did? I'm not claiming AS knew. I do think he's a victim. But I think HH is too.

    If HH has information that is absolutely needed to ensure TS is convicted, fine. But if she doesn't, I hope there's not a desire to "punish" her publicly for her mother's sins as that could backfire IMO.

    As @MassGuy said and I agree "There’s a dead child here, it’s important to keep our eye on the ball." And that ball IMO is conviction for first-degree murder not creating public discomfort/distress for the defendant's daughter.

    JMO
BBM:

That's a straw man.

AS is also on the witness list for the prosecution right alongside HH.
He's not off the hook, either.
It's going to be no more pleasant an experience for him to testify against TS than it will be for HH.

Nobody has made the claim that HH knows what was happening in the house, but AS didn't.
I'm certainly not going to be making any claims that AS didn't know.

The DA is not going to call HH to the stand out of any desire to "inflict punishment" on her.
She has first-hand knowledge as to TS's words and actions both in the hours and days before, as well as the hours and days after, GS's disappearance.

HH purchased cleaning supplies at TS's direction that were used to conceal a crime scene.
She's going to be need to testify to that.

She picked her mother up from various locations for unknown reasons.
She'll need to testify as to dates, times, and what TS told her to explain the trips.

This isn't about HH.

This is about justice for Gannon.

To the extent that HH can help the prosecution fill in the puzzle pieces, the DA will use her to that end.

JMO.
 
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I've been curious about this subject- LE was interested in finding the Tiguan. Did AS tell them what TS said about it being parked at French Elementary? They could quickly verify if that was true with a drive-by. When they discover it's a lie, the natural conclusion would seem to be- she has a rental car, the Tiguan is prob parked at the airport. The AA doesn't state they looked for it there, but why not? Too early in the case, they only suspected she did something to Gannon at this time in the case?

My point, if Gannon's body was in the car at the airport. This was such a missed opportunity. :(

Monday morning quarterbacking, hindsight is 20/20 ...
I know, there were so many missed opportunities. If only they had looked in the trunk of the Tiguan on Monday night. If only they had searched the airport for her car. If only they had been tailing her and discovered the body before she moved it.

She managed to stall them just for a little bit with each move that she made, but came so close to being caught.

But it was only a matter of time. At least in the process she kept talking and texting and incriminating herself, leaving a trail of evidence behind her.
 
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I always thought her talking about Play it Again Sports was maybe in case anyone saw her putting equipment into the truck that day. Specifically a baseball bat (JMO).

Gannon Stauch stepmom reveals where she went the day Colorado boy disappeared [EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW]

<Snip>
She also said she needed the room in the back of the truck to bring used sports equipment to “Play it Again Sports,” a sporting goods store that buys and sells new and used sporting goods. Stauch said she planned to shop for hockey equipment for Gannon since it was the only sport he had shown interest in.

SBM & CBM
@Cindizzi I 100% agree with your statement that I highlighted in red above. I think she had a bat(s) available at their home & sadly she used one on Gannon. Loading it into the truck was a BIG thing that she needed to T-splain. Hence the Play It Again Sports story!

MOO
 
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I wish I could but it would be speculation. There is no report in the affidavit, of where the Tiguan was at these time frames.
Ahhh, I see. You are going only with the details in the AA. But per RD's video, we do see it was parked in the driveway at those times.
 
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