Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #17

[NuttMegg]

When I had a dog and would return home from shopping the dog would always run up to the front of the car then run back to the house door wagging his tail like he was saying hurry up let's go in. I'm thinking that shadow just might be one of those dogs doing the same thing my dear Fozzie did. JMO


I didn't know the back door opened when she returned. The dog could have been on a tie and limited to how far it could reach then in excitement turn back toward the garage. We need to factor in lighting here for those shadows also. If it were a person leaving the truck the light would have been going toward the house correct? If it were the dog as I mentioned the light would have been coming from the house/garage. Hmmmm now I'm wondering how overcast it was then. JMO

ETA Am I confusing 2 different videos? I'm looking at what I believe is Monday when she returned without him.

I thought that you were saying the dog exited the car and thus caused the shadow, or that he (the dog) ran out just far enough in the space between the cars to where that shadow appeared on the video. I don't know one way or another if they had the dog outside on a line, I wouldn't have the dog on a line/rope if I had that big enclosed back yard, but who knows with this case.

 

[lindaromas]

Is @Tricia 's podcast live yet, did anybody see it, please?
(It's the only one I listen to cos she's an artful story teller?)

I'm not seeing it yet!

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Of course.

yes, the shadow at right rear tire does not look like anomaly but the one at the rear top might be. Forgive me if this sounds stupid but somewhere I heard the video can pick up temperature changes? Really? If so like from truck muffler? I know that sounds way out there.

Thermal imaging cameras are a whole other item. They are sensitive to the infrared spectrum (or other non-visible spectrum frequencies) as opposed to cameras sensitive to visible spectrum frequencies.

 

[OldCop]

bbm

Why would I think that? LE has been tight-lipped about almost everything. Also, how would that advance the investigation? If it's to see what GS was wearing LE could provide that info via press conference and/or other media releases without need to release a video.

Yes, but initially he was listed as a runaway, then missing/endangered. Usually when it is a child as young as this and LE believe the initial report, they will always try to show video footage if it is available. It shows the gait, clothes, any distinguishing characteristics, that may help jog the memory of someone who may have seen him. It would advance the investigation by providing more credible tips. Plus it gives a precise and accurate time of when they were last seen.
I believe LE didn’t show video initially because they couldn’t find any that matched the stepmom’s statement. I believe they are not showing any now because they have some with incriminating evidence and they do not wish to tip their hand.

 

[Coloradomomandgrandma]

I don't understand the business about Gannon allegedly having the only key to the gate lock, something I find very hard to believe.

That said, is there a back door into the garage? I don't know how that would be relevant, but LS is clearly trying to make some point about Gannon continually checking the gate.

Wish we had some photos of the backyard.

I hope/suspect the police have found other neighbors with camera footage and are just keeping it quiet for now.

My house is very similar to Gannon's family's house. My garage does NOT have a door into the backyard either. If I want to check the gate, I have three choices on how to do that:
1. Go out the back door and walk through the backyard, up the path to the gate.
2. Open the main garage door and walk through the garage to the front of the house and get to the gate from the front of the house.
3. Go out my front door and across the front of the house to get to the gate.

So which makes the most sense for Gannon to "repeatedly" check the gate? I wouldn't want to open and close the main garage door so I'd probably go out my front door. If Gannon was doing that, I would guess there would be many videos from the ring doorbell of Gannon going in and out of the front door.

I personally think the talk about Gannon going to the gate is more of her word salad to pre-explain something that LE is going to find near or at the gate. JMO

 

[oviedo]

I can't tell if that's a patio stone under the downspout, or if it's displaced landscaping gravel and we're seeing a patch of dirt, on the google street view. Here's the gate again (slightly different angle than before). Technically, I suppose Gannon wouldn't even have to step onto the gravel to "check the gate" since the latch is almost flush with the side of the garage there. But it would make more sense, and likely a more natural action, to step off the driveway and step onto the patio stone/gravel to reach the gate latch.

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I need to put all your photos in the media thread !

 

[lonetraveler]

If LS were charged I would think RD would be called to testify about how he found the video a week or so later (or whenever he found it) and what he did with it.

I don't think he'd be allowed to testify about AS's reaction to the video because that would be a second-hand account, and was a third-hand account when the reporter said what RD said about what AS said/did. (And BTW, it would have been odd to me if AS hadn't cried seeing a video of his kid when the kid had been missing nearly a week.)

JMO

Sure, he can testify as to what he witnessed and heard when he showed the video to AS. That's not secondhand.

 

[jillycat]

That is entirely incorrect.
The FIRST statement from LE was that they did not dispute what RD said the video shows.
It was after other media outlets pressed for comment, were showing the clip, etc., that LE issued another statement saying they were not going to comment on it.
Myself and several others have posted those links repeatedly to show the timeline on this.
I have to say, I've never followed a case here where LE statements in MSM are completely ignored or said to mean something entirely different.
It's just weird.

I’ve seen the ABC link where the writer referenced it indirectly, can you link the quote or presser where their spokesperson said this? It would go a long way to stop the debate over direct quotes vs what someone said that LE said. I can’t find it.

 

[OldCop]

I can't tell if that's a patio stone under the downspout, or if it's displaced landscaping gravel and we're seeing a patch of dirt, on the google street view. Here's the gate again (slightly different angle than before). Technically, I suppose Gannon wouldn't even have to step onto the gravel to "check the gate" since the latch is almost flush with the side of the garage there. But it would make more sense, and likely a more natural action, to step off the driveway and step onto the patio stone/gravel to reach the gate latch.

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We have a piece of concrete that looks like this at the edge of our downspout. It is about 16 inches long with a gulley in the middle. It is meant to siphon downspout water away from your foundation.

 

[kkdj]

I think he's more than likely in a body of water somewhere.
That big bag that SM was carrying out....was it ever determined what it was? Do we know if she came home with it?
Can anyone tell if she was in the same clothing when she got home as she was leaving?

 

[Boxer]

Assuming date/time is properly set in the controller, all is well.

MOO events are uploaded to the server. Then to view it is downloaded, all time encoded.
Otherwise the security system of footage is open to being removed physically if criminals could just pick up the computer and leave with the footage of themselves.

 

[0101ABA]

Is @Tricia 's podcast live yet, did anybody see it, please?
(It's the only one I listen to cos she's an artful story teller?)

Tricia will be going live tonight. I’ll be joining and would love to “see” anyone there who’d like to join in the chat!

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Yes, but initially he was listed as a runaway, then missing/endangered. Usually when it is a child as young as this and LE believe the initial report, they will always try to show video footage if it is available. It shows the gait, clothes, any distinguishing characteristics, that may help jog the memory of someone who may have seen him. It would advance the investigation by providing more credible tips. Plus it gives a precise and accurate time of when they were last seen.
I believe LE didn’t show video initially because they couldn’t find any that matched the stepmom’s statement. I believe they are not showing any now because they have some with incriminating evidence and they do not wish to tip their hand.

If LE felt a need to show GS' gait and general movements to the general public I expect they would have asked the family to provide video(s).

IMO, LE chose not to because GS' gait and general movements are not necessary elements to identify him; various photos are enough to do the trick.

 

[Boxer]

It's like LE isn't reaching out to the public because they don't need help, they are already sure who disappeared Gannon. In the sad Swetlik case, they had no idea who took her.

Marie Swetlik, the last known video of her getting off the bus, was released pretty quickly. you can clearly see what she is wearing. It could be they have him on video leaving, and not released it, but IMO, highly unlikely. You don't think with all this speculation about LS, the sheriffs office had video to prove that Gannon walked away from home just as she said they wouldn't release that? Or any other neighbors that captured that would want to release it and say "see, she's right, he walked away"

Agree. Last seen is a critical piece of information.
Also, IIRC the person who last sees a victim is most likely the perpetrator.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Where is the lock mechanism? if it is on the inside, does that mean it is only able to be unlocked from the inside? That doesn't make sense because a person would have to go all the way through the house and out the sliding doors in the kitchen across the backyard and up along side the house to unlock it. Maybe I am over thinking this.

I don't think you're over-thinking at all.
Google street view does not indicate there is a lock on the outside latch, but having a key lock on the inside of the gate doesn't gel with the story TS told about Gannon checking it.

 

[Boxer]

That is entirely incorrect.
The FIRST statement from LE was that they did not dispute what RD said the video shows.
It was after other media outlets pressed for comment, were showing the clip, etc., that LE issued another statement saying they were not going to comment on it.
Myself and several others have posted those links repeatedly to show the timeline on this.
I have to say, I've never followed a case here where LE statements in MSM are completely ignored or said to mean something entirely different.
It's just weird.

This is the first time I have heard anyone say there was prior LE comment to the Press conference Feb 4. Can you please post the link?

 

[LietKynes]

I totally agree and that is what makes me think SM is involved.......

I watched a video on youtube by GHI (I don't think it can be linked here, but you could find it easily). He dissects the video and hones in on the shadow. I could not see this when I just watched the video without enhancement and I have no way to enhance the video.

Grey Hughes videos are allowed here.
But regarding a specific video if you're not sure I'd check with a mod.

 

[kittythehare]

Tricia will be going live tonight. I’ll be joining and would love to “see” anyone there who’d like to join in the chat!

ah cool, thank you, Link please??

 

[ChuckMaureen]

MOO events are uploaded to the server. Then to view it is downloaded, all time encoded.
Otherwise the security system of footage is open to being removed physically if criminals could just pick up the computer and leave with the footage of themselves.

ISP and other on-line businesses offer surveillance systems that include for recording surveillance feeds to theirs or other servers (aka, 'the cloud').

Home-based systems typically save video to local storage but those feeds or files may also be saved to the cloud.

Where that information is saved (local or cloud) has no effect on whether or not a timestamp is overlayed on a video feed. That occurs in real-time and is recorded along with the video stream from the camera.

 

[0101ABA]

ah cool, thank you, Link please??

It will be live streamed via YouTube. Websleuths