Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #17

[Inthedetails]

A live WS podcast with Tricia about Gannon and Evelyn’s cases. Plus a live interactive chat as well.

Aha! Gotcha. Thanks.

 

[Pink2017]

Good information, thanks.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Of course, which is why I said "we don't have proof". Of anything important except that Gannon is gone. And LE hasn't confirmed the veracity of the part of the tape we have seen, hasn't said it is whole, uncut, unaltered, and that the loquacious neighbor was correct to tell the world he thought Gannon was drugged. No wonder the poor (understandably) delicate father was overcome with tears, according to the neighbor. The neighbor IMO ensured that the father would think the worst. Through just being an attention seeker or a poor friend.

But seriously, tell us how you really feel about the neighbor dude.

I'm kidding, although I really don't know why you're so down on RD.
I mean, no one here even knows the guy, but he doesn't come off like an attention seeker to me.

jmo

 

[TheBlizz35]

Yeah. At the very least they’d take footage from Sunday and Monday, and likely Tuesday to be safe.

They aren’t going to just take an edited version, or the minutes in question.

I think you're right. When RD spoke to MSM, he said he'd gone through hours and hours of footage. What he released was just a snippet of what I'm sure LE now has possession of.

 

[NCWatcher]

I don't want to get hung-up on the key, but I wouldn't leave the sole key for anything in the hands of an 11-year-old, no matter how responsible they are. I wouldn't trust myself with the only key to a lock. I'd immediately get a duplicate made - much cheaper than bolt-cutters if that single key does get lost or misplaced.

If he had the only key and kept it with him, either the trash was kept in the garage or it didn't get put out if he forgot/wasn't around with the key.

I wouldn't give an 11-year old the only key either. But I've found some supposedly thoughtful parents do lots of things I'd never do.

We don't which side of the gate has the lock and we don't know if the garbage cans were kept behind the gate. That makes sense but we don't know that. For example, we know they have dogs. If one was a garbage fiend and the dogs are often left in the fenced yard unattended, it might mean the cans are kept in the garage. We just don't know.

Different topic--- it surprises me the kids played in the front yard. Looks like it's all concrete and gravel to me. Is there something like a basketball net there?

Also do we know if video captured either of the sisters arriving home on Monday?
Thanks
JMO

 

[OldCop]

If LE felt a need to show GS' gait and general movements to the general public I expect they would have asked the family to provide video(s).

IMO, LE chose not to because GS' gait and general movements are not necessary elements to identify him; various photos are enough to do the trick.

But don’t you usually see videos from when they were last seen posted by LE if they are available? We just saw it last week with little Faye Swetlik. Do you think they should not show these?

 

[NuttMegg]

SBM

The word has specific meaning, it seems appropriate.

Yes. Having a statement, or piece of "evidence" referred to by LE as "Purportedly" true/valid is not at all a compliment.
Meaning of purportedly in English
purportedly
adverb

stated to be true, although this may not be the case:
The study purportedly found that men married to smart women live longer.
PURPORTEDLY | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

 

[Pink2017]

Yeah. At the very least they’d take footage from Sunday and Monday, and likely Tuesday to be safe.

They aren’t going to just take an edited version, or the minutes in question.

As to editing by neighbor, who is not a POI MOO, the police pulled a warrant to retrieve from VZW

 

[firebird]

I'm not arguing a darned thing. We don't do that on WS.

I'm pointing an element of a MSM report of what the LE spokeswoman stated; the word, "purportedly" has profound meaning, especially in the context with which it was used.

You're right about that. It means almost the same as allegedly, with a slight bias toward supposedly. I would say the "complaint alleges" because it's a court document that should comply with the filing attorney's ethical obligations, and that the witness "purportedly saw Mr. Jones enter the bar at 10 pm," if I wanted to convey that whether the witness actually saw Mr. Jones enter the bar at 10 pm is not something I necessarily believe (whether he believes it or not). jmo

 

[Ravenmoon]

Things that we KNOW:
1.GS was kept home from school the day of his disappearance because he was reported to be ill.
2. The neighbor has a camera that caught video of the Stauch driveway the day that GS went missing.
3. SM reported GS as a runaway early the evening that GS disappeared.
4. SM chose to do an interview (back to the camera) to stress to everyone how unfairly she has been treated.
5. She devoted a small portion of that time to speak about GS.
6. SM chose to use her own minor child to verify some of her story.
7. DA Dan May has visited the Stauch residence.
8. CSI has been to the Stauch home more than once and has removed items.
9. Searches went on for almost a week in one area. Members of the Search team were seen on video sifting through snow for something/s.
10. It has been a month. GS is still missing.

IMO
GS is not a runaway.
The DA, Crime Scene Investigators, and Search and Rescue will not go to the lengths that they have because there is some evidence somewhere that a child is being mischievous and wanted to hide from his Sm.
GS has no history (MOO) of being a runaway.

Having the limited knowledge that is available to us, the public, repeatedly goes back to ONE individual that knows the ENTIRE truth.

Change my mind.

AMOO

 

[NuttMegg]

But seriously, tell us how you really feel about the neighbor dude.

I'm kidding, although I really don't know why you're so down on RD.
I mean, no one here even knows the guy, but he doesn't come off like an attention seeker to me.

jmo

Well if it's any consolation, I don't think he kidnapped Gannon or took part in making him disappear. I just think he is either very very naive, on the thoughtless side, or just a plain old attention seeker. Tell the Dad of a missing kid that he saw the kid and he looked drugged?

 

[Pink2017]

Yes. Having a statement, or piece of "evidence" referred to by LE as "Purportedly" true/valid is not at all a compliment.
Meaning of purportedly in English
purportedly
adverb

stated to be true, although this may not be the case:
The study purportedly found that men married to smart women live longer.
PURPORTEDLY | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

LE used this word in the context of it being a “Legal Term”. It speaks to me...loud and clear.

 

[ajaylee]

I know they were emptied, I'm interested in their locations and how convenient they may have been for disposal

Even if they had been emptied, there might be camera footage from nearby businesses. Under the circumstances, LS would have some explaining to do if camera footage appeared to show her driving into an alley or behind a shop where dumpsters are located.

LE has just released doorbell footage of missing 'JJ' Vallow - that footage was from early September. I wonder if that footage was just discovered or if LE has had it and just decided to release. I find it hard to believe that no one else in the Stauch's neighborhood has any relevant camera footage.

I also wonder if camera footage was involved in any of the sites they are currently searching.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

I'm a few pages behind, but I put together a couple views of the gate. There were a lot of questions.

The gate. Because of questions, I put together a couple pics from Google Maps, dated 2019. The Stauchs lived there at 6627 Mandan Drive at that time.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Gannon Stauch Case Archive:
Gannon Stauch -CO- by amanda reckonwith

Cellphone, try this one and scroll:
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[oviedo]

And we will be!

10:00 p.m. EST
9:00 p.m. Central
8:00 MST
7:00 PST

And I believe it will be 4:00 a.m. across the Pond.

I hope I can stay awake - both those cases are high on my list !

 

[ajaylee]

Well if it's any consolation, I don't think he kidnapped Gannon or took part in making him disappear. I just think he is either very very naive, on the thoughtless side, or just a plain old attention seeker. Tell the Dad of a missing kid that he saw the kid and he looked drugged?

I have wondered if possibly he (the neighbor) has encountered LS before and doesn't like her. The footage could be genuine but his motives for showing it to the dad could be revenge or just concern. It's possible the neighbor suspected LS mistreated Gannon and AS didn't know it or wouldn't believe it.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Yes. Having a statement, or piece of "evidence" referred to by LE as "Purportedly" true/valid is not at all a compliment.
Meaning of purportedly in English
purportedly
adverb

stated to be true, although this may not be the case:
The study purportedly found that men married to smart women live longer.
PURPORTEDLY | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Honestly I think it's cop-speak.
I mean, we could ask @OldCop too, but my brother was a cop for many many years, and I've followed a bazillion (more or less) cases over the years and they all use that sort of, "I'm going to use THIS word so I and my department cannot be sued later" language.

Normally the word "alleged" is used, but there are loads of them, and I see them used all the time (and I suspect everyone here who follows true crime knows exactly what I mean, and you all see the same language used too).
It doesn't automatically mean it's a derogatory statement, although it certainly could be.

jmo

 

[kittythehare]

Even if they had been emptied, there might be camera footage from nearby businesses. Under the circumstances, LS would have some explaining to do if camera footage appeared to show her driving into an alley or behind a shop where dumpsters are located.

LE has just released doorbell footage of missing 'JJ' Vallow - that footage was from early September. I wonder if that footage was just discovered or if LE has had it and just decided to release. I find it hard to believe that no one else in the Stauch's neighborhood has any relevant camera footage.

I also wonder if camera footage was involved in any of the sites they are currently searching.

I think it will play a big part in this case.
If we could just confirm her movements from when she left, which road she took etc....
Lots of neighbors had cctv cameras.. but that will only show movement around their home.. he was alive leaving. That is all we know.

 

[MassGuy]

Well if it's any consolation, I don't think he kidnapped Gannon or took part in making him disappear. I just think he is either very very naive, on the thoughtless side, or just a plain old attention seeker. Tell the Dad of a missing kid that he saw the kid and he looked drugged?

That was his characterization to the media; we don’t know what he said to the father.

His father made his own conclusion, and it apparently brought him to tears.