Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #19

[FNG]

Not to give that woman in Kelsey’s case credit but she was instrumental in getting the conviction, imo. I am not so sure that whatever happened to Gannon is known by more than one person. If not, it could be that much more difficult to make a case if he is not found. Jmo

Totally agreed. There's a part of me that still struggles with whether to give credit to KK because she did help solve the puzzle in a great way. But at the same time if she had come forward earlier would any one have even listened or truly taken action ( I really wonder about this. Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? ).

With that being said, I agree in regards to Gannon, I do not believe there were any other witnesses.

As far as my previous statement, watching LE continually return to the home makes me remember similarities in Kelsey's case and it may just be a matter of time before an arrest is made.

 

[kittythehare]

She's another lying liar that lies

I would have been completely taken in by her from that interview!
She's a lot younger than Tee but a far more accomplished liar if she is lying, well, she's been arrested for lying, she must be a liar!

 

[FNG]

Given that he was upright and mobile that morning, even if compromised, I just don’t understand how this unfolded and was a done deal in four hours.

Agreed. This is huge. Major puzzle piece IMO.

 

[Pink2017]

Adding to conversations tonight, good points btw, TS could not muster the courage in her interview with reporter, that’s telling that she didn’t beg for G to come home, let him go, anything....IMO, had she shown the courage in the face of husband/world , I’d give her an ounce of credibility, she just couldn’t do it, she knows it would break her....deflection deflection deflection, how many times could you swing a bat at it...IMO

 

[MassGuy]

Not to give that woman in Kelsey’s case credit but she was instrumental in getting the conviction, imo. I am not so sure that whatever happened to Gannon is known by more than one person. If not, it could be that much more difficult to make a case if he is not found. Jmo

Yeah, this one is different.

In the Kelsey case, Krystal Kenney was able to describe a tremendous amount of blood, how the murder happened (according to Frazee), and was present when Kelsey’s body was burned.

At best, the kids in this case could testify to what happened before (abuse). From the video though, it’s clear that Gannon left the house alive.

That means that it’s overwhelmingly likely that the only one who knows that a murder occurred, is TS.

No one else saw her kill him, and no one saw his body. That’s why it’s so important that he be found, as it may be next to impossible to prove that the underlying crime is murder.

Atleast at this stage.

 

[MemPat]

You’re simply wonderful, thank you for all the info, and for doing so much to try to help. It’s crazy how the weather can be so different from one place to another. I would hope they checked it out, but always worth a look. After all, Caylee Anthony was found not far from where LE was looking after such an intense search. If I remember right they even searched where she was eventually found.

Moo

Yes, the Caylee site was underwater during the early searches. By the time they found her the bones had been spread by animals over a wide area.

 

[jillycat]

Agreed. This is huge. Major puzzle piece IMO.

Not sure how you quoted that but it was from my post! Just an FYI.

 

[cluciano63]

Yeah, this one is different.

In the Kelsey case, Krystal Kenney was able to describe a tremendous amount of blood, how the murder happened (according to Frazee), and was present when Kelsey’s body was burned.

At best, the kids in this case could testify to what happened before (abuse). From the video though, it’s clear that Gannon left the house alive.

That means that it’s overwhelmingly likely that the only one who knows that a murder occurred, is TS.

No one else saw her kill him, and no one saw his body. That’s why it’s so important that he be found, as it may be next to impossible to prove that the underlying crime is murder.

Atleast at this stage.

Or, they need a definite crime scene. I do not think they have that as whatever happened to him, was unlikely to have happened in the house. Jmo

 

[JDough]

Another day has come and gone.
But, we are one day closer to a resolution...... we're all still here for you, Gannon. Just waiting for you to come home.

 

[kittythehare]

I just don’t see her shoving him off a cliff, or doing a drive by drop close to a road or anywhere populated or where he would be easily discovered, or come up on at some point by some unsuspecting party. I don’t see her doing any digging, especially in broad daylight. There’s so much explaining if he just turns up in some wild place, and the police already are not buying/will not be buying that he was abducted.

I don’t know what happened but none of that makes any sense to me. Given that he was upright and mobile that morning, even if compromised, I just don’t understand how this unfolded and was a done deal in four hours.

If he was compromised a person of superior strength could have had compete power over him.. It was a Monday morning, not every place is populated...
Likewise with dumpster theory, if he was heavily drugged she could have 'bagged' him and just placed him with rubbish...

She avoided a home death, she knew that much, presumably, she , most likely avoided a vehicle death too, or dogs would have alerted.

Abandonment could not be guaranteed safe for her..
Driving to a spot where he could be pushed to his death ' accident not tragedy' makes most sense, particularly if she occupied a position where her movements, though deadly would have been difficult to observe..

I'm just musing , again.
JMO

 

[MemPat]

I don't think it's all unusual for it to take a couple of weeks or even a couple of months for all the various agencies involved to document chain of custody, transfer certain reports and findings, analyze and map evidence and send things to various labs and investigative agencies. Just the CC video alone has to be daunting - possibly more man hours than the physical search just to compile all that. They've all been working overtime, but hurrying doesn't help analysis. Speed is not the friend of a strong legal case.

We want the prosecution to get a nice long, perfectly executed head start here.

It's good to remember that a no body case requires much more attention to detail.

I have such confidence in DA May's ability to carefully put this together even though he'll be leaving soon.

He and the amazing detectives there wrapped Patrick Frazee up with a bow and convicted him in just a year which is unheard of these days.

Waiting is difficult but we'll be celebrating here one day!

 

[ChuckMaureen]

GS could not have been "pushed over on the hike" because a sibling(s) was on the hike with them. The sibling(s) would have reported that GS did not return with them after the hike and that would have been game, set and match.

 

[MassGuy]

I just don’t see her shoving him off a cliff, or doing a drive by drop close to a road or anywhere populated or where he would be easily discovered, or come up on at some point by some unsuspecting party. I don’t see her doing any digging, especially in broad daylight. There’s so much explaining if he just turns up in some wild place, and the police already are not buying/will not be buying that he was abducted.

I don’t know what happened but none of that makes any sense to me. Given that he was upright and mobile that morning, even if compromised, I just don’t understand how this unfolded and was a done deal in four hours.

Yeah, I’m lost myself on what exactly she did to him.

That’s not to say I don’t believe that she killed him (I absolutely do), but this whole thing is incredibly odd (limited time in broad daylight).

I guess it’s possible that she went out and dug a grave on Sunday night, but that may be very difficult, if not impossible.

And it still doesn’t answer the question of how she killed him.

 

[jillycat]

If he was compromised a person of superior strength could have had compete power over him.. It was a Monday morning, not every place is populated...
Likewise with dumpster theory, if he was heavily drugged she could have 'bagged' him and just placed him with rubbish...

She avoided a home death, she knew that much, presumably, she , most likely avoided a vehicle death too, or dogs would have alerted.

Abandonment could not be guaranteed safe for her..
Driving to a spot where he could be pushed to his death ' accident not tragedy' makes most sense, particularly if she occupied a position where her movements, though deadly would have been difficult to observe..

I'm just musing , again.
JMO

I’ve never thought she abandoned him.

I just don’t see her doing a swift shove either. How’s she going to explain how he got there? A runaway would not end up miles away at the bottom of a cliff, and she’s the one who said he ran away, before she said a known person showed up and he’s alive and coming back home. And the video. Even prior to the video release and the crazy add on of the person who picked him up, she was in trouble with her story and how to connect it with where she put him.

 

[Pink2017]

Ted, It’s time for a weather update

 

[kittythehare]

I’ve never thought she abandoned him.

I just don’t see her doing a swift shove either. How’s she going to explain how he got there? A runaway would not end up miles away at the bottom of a cliff, and she’s the one who said he ran away, before she said a known person showed up and he’s alive and coming back home. And the video. Even prior to the video release and the crazy add on of the person who picked him up, she was in trouble with her story and how to connect it with where she put him.

If he was a runaway and got kidnapped while being abducted by somebody she told lE about from the outset, they would be the culprit, not her.
?
Tee-talk. JMO

 

[SleuthBee]

Only thing I wanted to add was that I suspect the reason that our friend spent so much time in the truck leaving/coming back is because she was checking her security app and observing *exactly* which nooks and crannies were visible and which were not.

You're new - Me too! Welcome to the forum, lol!

If this was mentioned in a previous post, I apologize. I wasn't aware that the Stauches had a security system or are you referring to the vehicle? I am sure LE is keeping that info close to their chest. You offer a clever explanation for that truck driving.

 

[MtnMama]

Welcome and great first post @ebeers23 ! I hate to even remotely compare this case to the Berreth/Frazee case but in my mind, while we have "someone" acting like a fool, that evidence is collected and is building. Something happened a week and a half ago to have LE sifting through snow. Whatever happened there, took us back to the house where the Crime Scene Unit camped out snapping pictures and carrying out stuff in brown paper boxes and bags. In my mind, that's crime central and what happened there is simply awful. We have a ton of unknowns, no victim, no suspect or POI. But we seem to have a ton of "stuff" that's possible evidence of a crime.

I can live with that because a case is being developed. This is what was going on in the other case mentioned. But then that one thing happened, one clue, one stupid move. And all those puzzle pieces fell into place. I'm quite sure the same will happen here, but problem is, this is a little boy, who is "out there alone". He has not only 3-4 protectors, but one of those protectors is not as she seemingly portrays.

It makes us crazy, impatient, mad, sad. But all we can do is trust that LE and Dan May are all over this as they were Kelsey's case and filling up evidence lockers at the lab in the meantime. We'll get there. Personally, I just hope it's not as senseless, disgusting and horrifying as our last Colorado case.

MOO, MOO

BBM

And this is what's brought me to tears many times over the past week! My heart hurts that he is an innocent boy that is "out there alone."

 

[cluciano63]

All we know at this point is that she lied. LE probably has a ton of background by now, about the household dynamics. But none of that is evidence. We went through all of this with Kyron, Haleigh Cummings and Ayla Reynolds...all cases that seemed pretty clear cut...but I can’t help stress enough how vital finding missing a child seems to be, based on many past cases. With adults, it seems easier to prove loss of life as far as banking not be used, internet and phone ending when person went missing, etc...in building cases without finding the victim...not confident in child cases...jmo.

 

[TwoBlueJays]

Waste Connections of Colorado Springs. Commercial dumpster service. Fountain landfill.
Easiest in-town method of disposal, essentially a drive-by. As previously mentioned on another thread, many business dumpsters are out of sight, no security cameras. Eventually, the landfill will be a searched location, but with so much time having elapsed, it will be a Herculean effort. Even though many landfills do map unloading location, time, and date for all trucks.

Moo