Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #6

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

We normally get the details during the trial, and if the court allows live or press inside, we get to follow it live.
there have been a few I have followed where no press can record during the court hearing so we have to wait until breaks to get the updates.
Then we have the closed trials where we don't see anything.
The first time I followed a court trial, I was amazed as to all the evidence that comes out during the trial.

Thank you for sharing this info with me.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

His website is blocked from being posted here as it is not media

I found it. And took the next three hours to read more of his observations.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Could depend on why it was towed. If it wasn't the daughter's car (titled to her) and/or if it was removed for some other reason because, for example, they detained her for some other reason and she couldn't remove the car herself. I'm just not seeing anything at all about search warrants.

I don't see cooperation from LS in helping to find Gannon,so a search warrant would be necessary. Her own words are very telling. MOO

 

[gitana1]

Also, the DA doesn’t come calling if there’s no criminal investigation.

JMO

And CSI doesn’t come out of the home with dozens of evidence bags without a warrant. Common sense.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Thanks guys

No problema... as you see, we're big fans. He's also noteworthy for realizing in about 3 minutes after meeting her, tops, that Casey Anthony had in fact been the one to "disappear" her daughter Caylee.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

How do you KNOW? Strong suspicion, yes. But as to factual data, at this juncture, there is no named POI, no criminal investigation, no named suspect, no proof of crime that has been put forth publicly by LE.

There are likely legal issues, and possibly even resource acquisition issues, surrounding a move from a missing/endangered person to a criminal investigation.

There is so much that the average person simply does not know when it comes to LE investigative work in this type of case. These guys/gals have to have their act together or the whole thing can crumble in an instant.

I've not convicted a soul, in my mind. I have strong beliefs, yes, suspicions, yes, but am open to any and all possibilities moving forward.

After following so many horrific cases involving missing children most of us feel like we know the outcome. At this point, we can’t really say we know with 100% certainty, but we have a pretty good idea.
jmo

 

[Deleted member 95475]

Thanks @Stunned. I'd like to think I'm a tough chick, but so far 2020 has not been a great year. Gannon has been on my mind since the second day he was missing and local media started covering it. As a mom, I find it hard to ignore these cases. Being close to home and with Gannon being close in age to my own son, this one just really got into my head and heart immediately. I can't leave until we have some answers. I'm afraid I won't like them, but I have to stay - for Gannon.

 

[wanenim]

Maybe just electronics and stuff?

Speaking of electronics I wondered what kind of phone he has. He could be a user that always goes hands free. Like if all of his searches are done by voice and then suddenly this is one is typed out. I know Apple stores all of your voice searches on their servers so they'd be able to check if it was him. Maybe his phone picked up other recordings too? I know that if I'm talking sometimes Siri randomly tries to jump in and "Sorry, I didn't quite get that". It would be dope af if their home had Alexa because she's always listening too. There's a few cases I know of where authorities obtained warrants to go over data because murders happened in the home and they think the device caught it happening. They also included in that warrant that Amazon had to turn over any identifying info for other devices that were paired with the Echo.

Judge orders Amazon to turn over Echo recordings in double murder case – TechCrunch
Amazon's Alexa may have witnessed alleged Florida murder, authorities say

 

[firebird]

And CSI doesn’t come out of the home with dozens of evidence bags without a warrant. Common sense.

But what if they have consent?

 

[Winterhike]

On another subject, you know I'm going back to a week ago and some things may be worth a second look to make sure we have facts straight in this case.

In the presser on 1-30-20, the lead detective, who in retrospect seems SUPER sharp and very, easily cautious with his words, said the following:

1. The "reporting person" was interviewed when LE got to the house and the reporting person said Gannon had last been seen between 3-4 p.m. Monday. (Report was made at 6:55 p.m.). The father and bio mom were standing there with him. Does that mean neither of them were the reporting party or does it mean that LE doesn't want the public to know who called?



More at link.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=173867893884848

Snipped respectfully by me.

I think that if they interviewed the "reporting person" on Monday night, then definitely neither of the bio parents could have been the reporting party, as Dad took an "emergency" flight in on Tuesday and Mom did not get to Colorado until sometime after that (sorry I don't know exactly when she arrived -- anyone?) It sounds like Dad was calling Gannon's friends on Monday evening and could have also called LE, but couldn't have been the "reporting person" since he wasn't in town yet.

 

[Stunned]

Thanks @Stunned. I'd like to think I'm a tough chick, but so far 2020 has not been a great year. Gannon has been on my mind since the second day he was missing and local media started covering it. As a mom, I find it hard to ignore these cases. Being close to home and with Gannon being close in age to my own son, this one just really got into my head and heart immediately. I can't leave until we have some answers. I'm afraid I won't like them, but I have to stay - for Gannon.

That’s why we are here. Too stand as silent (or as close as we can) witness too bring these souls home. That’s it. We want their souls home and for our LE, to answer our some questions, ‘what, why, where, when’?

 

[MsBetsy]

^^bbm

Who towed the white car and where was it towed? Was it confiscated/impound by LE ?-- That could never happen without a warrant!

According to TS it was towed by LE after her daughter was handcuffed and they pulled a gun on her.

Maybe LE had a warrant with them when they confronted her at the store? I'm not sure but that's what she said.

I have not heard anything about the other two vehicles.

Imo

 

[cluciano63]

Jmo I think they would get a search warrant, regardless of consent.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

But what if they have consent?

Even if they had consent they would get warrants for an investigation of this magnitude. Warrants stand up in court. LE wouldn’t want to jeopardize evidence being thrown out.

 

[Cindizzi]

Day or night, regardless of weather, we continue to search specific areas based on tips and leads in this investigation. The investigation and the search processes will continue to run parallel with one another in hopes of finding Gannon and bringing him home safely. #FindGannon


EPCSheriff on Twitter

Thanks for all your posts. These are great, even though the first one is a bit eerie to look at. Very proud of my community and all the different agencies working on this case. I read earlier today that the Sheriff Department has put in 2500 hours so far. When it all can be told , hopefully soon, I think we’ll all be amazed at what they all went through. It can’t be easy for them.

Praying for the searchers and praying for Stauch family.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Me too. I talked about it with some folks on here after. I wasn't scared at the moment, felt super focused. But after when I realized nothing had really worked to make it leave (except being able to get into safety with other people in the tennis court), I was pretty shaken up.

On another subject, you know I'm going back to a week ago and some things may be worth a second look to make sure we have facts straight in this case.

In the presser on 1-30-20, the lead detective, who in retrospect seems SUPER sharp and very, easily cautious with his words, said the following:

1. The "reporting person" was interviewed when LE got to the house and the reporting person said Gannon had last been seen between 3-4 p.m. Monday. (Report was made at 6:55 p.m.). The father and bio mom were standing there with him. Does that mean neither of them were the reporting party or does it mean that LE doesn't want the public to know who called?

2. He said on 1-28-20 at 12:29 p.m., the case was turned over to "EPS"? Investigations. They began collecting information and conducting interviews. They collected information including video surveillance and neighborhood canvass info, followed up on leads and exploited various techniques and technology.

3. He said that on 1-29-20 into 1-30-20, based on information "gleaned from the investigation thus far" they changed Gannon's status from runaway to endangered missing. Later, when a reporter asks if that upgrade was because of the length of time that had passed, the investigator equivocates and states the weather, age, length of time, medication, etc., were a part of that. But I think his initial words were more telling.

4. He was asked if the SM was cooperating and said "At this point in time I can tell you that we are conducting numerous interviews and that each lead that we have is exhausted."

5. He was asked point blank if Gannon had been seen on any surveillance video. He replied, "At this point in time I can't clarify, uh, I can't confirm that any video surveillance we have been looking at has Gannon on it." (He did not say no).

6. They are looking at persons of interest.

More at link.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=173867893884848

"Exhaustive" Then he corrected it and said exhausted after LS's interview I'm going with the former. So many people working hard,and cooperating for Gannon. LS's own words says a lot.
MOO

 

[firebird]

Even if they had consent they would get warrants for an investigation of this magnitude. Warrants stand up in court. LE wouldn’t want to jeopardize evidence being thrown out.

Maybe. But so do valid consent searches stand up. Plus, I haven't seen or heard a single thing about warrants. And usually they're at least mentioned. Espcially with CIS, etc. involved. The OP stated that there were warrants. Anyway. I guess we'll find out soon enough

 

[Spartygirl]

Also, the DA doesn’t come calling if there’s no criminal investigation.

JMO

BOOM !!! and then there's that !! Dan Mays knows what he is doing
Have faith everyone. Dan is the best of the Best

 

[gitana1]

Could depend on why it was towed. If it wasn't the daughter's car (titled to her) and/or if it was removed for some other reason because, for example, they detained her for some other reason and she couldn't remove the car herself. I'm just not seeing anything at all about search warrants.

I have no link to an article confirming there have been search warrants. But I’m using deductive reasoning based on my legal knowledge to state yes there were. There would have to be.

1. CSI/FBI would NEVER search a house without a warrant and remove evidence. It doesn’t happen. They have searched the Stauch home and removed evidence. Which means they had a search warrant supported by probable cause.

2. I cannot link to a news article that TS and her daughter were stopped while shopping at a Marshall’s and detectives took possession of the white Volkswagen Jetta they were driving and towed it to evidence impound.

But TS herself discusses some things that support that.

And that would NEVER happen without a search warrant. It doesn’t happen. That’s a violation of constitutional rights.

In her interview TS states detectives held her and her daughter at gunpoint and handcuffed her daughter “over the keys in her purse so they could take her car.”

So we know they took her car and they don’t do that without a warrant. And you don’t get a warrant without probable cause.

That’s how I know.

It’s my understanding that the truck (common sense) was also taken and another car at the home.

 

[MsMarple]

I know TS said she wasn't staying at the house because the biological mom was there. But why wasn't she really there? Was there immediate tension between her and the father? Do we know anything about their relationship before GS went missing? Have the other children expressed concern of TS?
Sorry for the questions, I didn't learn of Gannon until 5 days in.

I have no answers for your questions but IMO I think there's more to LS being kicked out of the house and LH staying there with AS.

It seems to me that if AS wanted LS to remain in the house with him he could have helped LH find accommodations somewhere. There are probably even funds available for housing from local organizations or a victim advocate.

That leads me to suspect that there was a reason AS no longer wanted LS in the house. Now, it could be as simple as both bio parents wanting to present a united front for the sake of Gannon's little sister - IOW to make her feel safe and secure.

Or it's possible AS was unhappy with LS for the way she handled Gannon's disappearance, especially if she gave the impression that he ran away to the 911 dispatcher. Early on AS said:

He said Gannon didn't let them know what friend's house he was going to in the neighborhood and that this was "unlike him so that's why we're obviously really concerned." Eventually, the police were called. "Once we went through that whole checklist it's like, you know, where could he be?" Stauch said.

Volunteers back out near Marksheffel Rd searching for Gannon Stauch

So he may have questioned LS's story from the get go. MOO.