CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #62

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  • #21
Many moons ago, as a teenager in Washington state, I took a psychology class in high school. In his wisdom, our teacher had us do a couple of field trips to a couple mental hospitals- one a VA and one a state hospital. He wanted us to be able to understand that these were PEOPLE not just cases in books. We met with groups that specifically would be low danger to us. I will never forget those trips. These weren’t eccentric people, but severely ill and to be honest, very pitiful people. Every part of me objects when I think of their lives being made even more challenging by being subjected to the likes of LS. she doesn’t need access to any more vulnerable people.
So, while she may fit in fine in prison, prison is at least keeping her from hurting the innocent- removing her from society. I think that’s probably the only justice here on earth. Hopefully, those in prison who are redeemable or for minor offenses can be protected.
So I kind of agree.
JMO
Great post @Kingsley! Reminds me of these photos and captions from Oregon's all-female mental hospital in the 70's -- Ward 81.

 
  • #22
Is there somewhere I can go for a summary of what witnesses testify and on what day? I want to go back and listen to specific parts.
I’m in the process of making this list, but it’s been quite time consuming. I’ll share it here when I finally have it up-to-date.

I can tag you in the post if you’d like. :)
 
  • #23
I have some questions about her google searches...did she stab him once, and tried to stop the bleeding but couldnt, so she stabbed him a bunch more times?

What results was she hoping to get when she googled "I dont like my stepson?" Step-by-step instructions about what to do?

Can she really be thay dense?
 
  • #24
While watching Day 12 of the trial on Friday 4/21/23, I was really confused. LS was telling FBI Agent Grusing that Gannon was up playing with his switch when the fire started - but I remembered her telling the EPCSO detectives that he was asleep. I went back to find these statements and below are JMO my own transcriptions from the two different interviews.

Also if anyone is looking for the part where LS describes conspiring with the kids to get Al to come home from Oklahoma by exaggerating about the fire, those statements are approximately 2:48.50 thru 2:52.00 on Day 12. This contradicts her statements to EPCSO where she repeatedly claimed she wanted to "fix it," and also "not say anything" because Albert freaks out about every little thing and "I'm on my knees and he'll be like 'you didn't do this, you weren't a good stepmom'" per Day 7 approximately 2:46.45 to 2:47.05.

excerpt from Day 7 from IckedMel, EPCSO interview 4 hours 19 mins, youtube = IHtlVtHuEzc

2:45.59
LS: "So I got a, a burn that was like (shows elbow). Gannon started running at that point cuz it wakes him up. He's alert. He's realizing that the covers and everything's on fire. The carpet's on fire. And we all go outside. So we get in Albert's truck and drive off."
2:46.14

2:50.24
LS: "Right, right. I do know that I saw covers coming up on fire."
Det B: "What was the, what covers were on, coming up on fire?"
LS: "Like he had a cover on cuz he was, he was sleeping on the sofa."
2:50.40

excerpt from Day 12 Law and Crime, interview at Myrtle Beach w/FBI Agent Grusing, youtube = 5LCq243R92Q

2:40.xx to 2:42.xx approximately: LS explains that Gannon was not allowed to play with his switch per Albert. But Gannon had been so helpful that day that he earned "extra time", eg staying up about 30 minutes later that night.

2:44.20
LS: "I run back downstairs and Gannon was awake but not awake. Like you know how you could almost like be asleep but not asleep."
FBI G: "So he was in his bed?"
LS: "No, no, no. He wasn't in his bed. He was on the sofa. Right, right. So he was on the sofa. So when I pulled the cover, I pulled Gannon with the cover."
2:44.44

2:53.00
LS: "Yeah, I don't know about, but see the thing is, I don't know that Gannon would try to like purposely, like set something on fire. I don't know. I know that he did tell me later that he thought that I was coming downstairs, and, yeah, he was playing his game."
FBI G: "So he was playing his game when he knocked the candle over?"
LS: "Yeah, so he did tell us, he told me, and Laina, and all of us that, when we were all talking together, that he thought I was coming down the stairs to catch him on his game."
FBI G: "That's why he knocked it over?"
2:53.30

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IMO LS has claimed that: the fire woke Gannon, he was asleep, he was awake but not awake, he was asleep but not asleep, and that Gannon was wide awake playing his switch when he knocked the candle over. All lies, d*** lies, she's a lie machine and we still don't know what happened with the candle fire. grrrrgh!

IMO my newest theory is that Gannon was already drugged for whatever caused the bleeding on the carpet, and he was passed out on the couch when she lit him on fire. She was able to gaslight him that he started the fire in her CYA video because he was also drugged and out of it, in addition to being terrified, bleeding and burned.
 
  • #25
Took almost a full two day mental break from this case! This absolutely evil witch had me in a major depression for my little Gannon who fought so hard to live from birth onwards. I still would enjoy an opportunity to be in a room alone with her. I hope her prison roommates take full advantage of their opportunities for me. I would have welcomed the death penalty in this case. Rant over.
 
  • #26
Many moons ago, as a teenager in Washington state, I took a psychology class in high school. In his wisdom, our teacher had us do a couple of field trips to a couple mental hospitals- one a VA and one a state hospital. He wanted us to be able to understand that these were PEOPLE not just cases in books. We met with groups that specifically would be low danger to us. I will never forget those trips. These weren’t eccentric people, but severely ill and to be honest, very pitiful people. Every part of me objects when I think of their lives being made even more challenging by being subjected to the likes of LS. she doesn’t need access to any more vulnerable people.
So, while she may fit in fine in prison, prison is at least keeping her from hurting the innocent- removing her from society. I think that’s probably the only justice here on earth. Hopefully, those in prison who are redeemable or for minor offenses can be protected.
So I kind of agree.
JMO

In most State Mental Hospitals, there are different wards. I have taken students to hospitals on field trips - and yes, HS students in particular get to see the "nice" patients. There are other wards, which was my earlier point.

I've been to a few state hospitals where they still had the "old ward" for the most dangerous patients (those wards were no longer in use and featured strait jackets built into chairs that were almost like wooden thrones, which in turn were bolted to the walls). Last use of those went out a long time ago. Now, they have the same type of patient in a special treatment ward, where they can be restrained more humanely. Those patients do not typically get seen on field trips. I was in grad school and on a research grant before I ever saw those patients. Even then, the administrators limited access to them (too easily manipulating and too easily upset - getting them to be balance, on meds, restrictions, etc., is complex).

I don't think anyone should be harmed by someone else in a prison, a jail, or a state mental hospital. Even though people may be convicted, other prisoners should not be their justice. People on minor offenses (misdemeanors and in CO and CA, also people who are serving felony sentences of two years and under) do not go to prison. Within every prison where I've worked (and I haven't been in prisons as much as in jails and mental hospitals), there are degrees of confinement. There has to be that, because even with LSWP people, they need something to work for (a better situation in prison).

If Letecia behaves the way I think she's capable of behaving (keeping people awake at night, starting verbal conflicts, getting into physical altercations, lying, manipulating, possibly stealing from other prisoners), sure, the other prisoners will "take care of her." But the State has an obligation to protect her and give her medical care. She's a malingerer. She'll end up in the psych ward at the prison and it'll be up to the treating psychiatrist there to advocate for a different, more manageable location. Hospital wards in prisons are still there to provide benign care to prisoners, not to be permanently disrupted by Letecia Stauch, who will quickly learn how to get herself into that environment (surrounded by professionals and workers, mostly, instead of other prisoners). IME, such wards have very high rates of turnover in terms of LVN's and RN's (who end up stuck dealing with Letecia). If you read stories of prison manipulators and escapees, it often starts with that "pathway.'

Whereas in psychiatric hospitals with a ward for the dangerous, it will have special sleeping arrangements (most prison hospitals have more than one patient in a space, but not all of them do - if anyone from CO knows if there are maximum security hospital wards in CO prisons, I'd love to hear about it - otherwise, I'll try and find the answer myself). Social time (can be as short as one hour a day) can still involve restraints (sometimes, has to). Restraints are designed for long term use and for inability to use as weapons.

In the end, I don't care where she goes, but I want her to have a determined sentence. Which brings me to my understanding of CO law. My understanding is that to get Life Sentence Without Parole she must be found Guilty. Then they can send her to prison. Then, if prison can't handle her, she can go to Pueblo. And that is what I envision will eventually happen to her. She won't go straight to Pueblo because I think Grusing's testimony on Friday put another nail in the coffin - there was no irresistible impulse. She helped the State immensely with her storytelling and lying in that Friday testimony.

She tried to figure out a way and attempt to kill that poor little boy multiple times over a couple of days, and she was able to drive, direct clean-up, send HH to purchase things for clean-up, etc. She has never once claimed that "Gannon did something" that triggered an irresistible impulse. Her defense is about to claim that she has amnesia for some of that period (DID), but her own details of nearly every minute (with multiple stories in some of the time slots) has done her in.

IMO. She is capable of great harm to other people in the future.
 
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  • #28
While watching Day 12 of the trial on Friday 4/21/23, I was really confused. LS was telling FBI Agent Grusing that Gannon was up playing with his switch when the fire started - but I remembered her telling the EPCSO detectives that he was asleep. I went back to find these statements and below are JMO my own transcriptions from the two different interviews.

Also if anyone is looking for the part where LS describes conspiring with the kids to get Al to come home from Oklahoma by exaggerating about the fire, those statements are approximately 2:48.50 thru 2:52.00 on Day 12. This contradicts her statements to EPCSO where she repeatedly claimed she wanted to "fix it," and also "not say anything" because Albert freaks out about every little thing and "I'm on my knees and he'll be like 'you didn't do this, you weren't a good stepmom'" per Day 7 approximately 2:46.45 to 2:47.05.

excerpt from Day 7 from IckedMel, EPCSO interview 4 hours 19 mins, youtube = IHtlVtHuEzc

2:45.59
LS: "So I got a, a burn that was like (shows elbow). Gannon started running at that point cuz it wakes him up. He's alert. He's realizing that the covers and everything's on fire. The carpet's on fire. And we all go outside. So we get in Albert's truck and drive off."
2:46.14

2:50.24
LS: "Right, right. I do know that I saw covers coming up on fire."
Det B: "What was the, what covers were on, coming up on fire?"
LS: "Like he had a cover on cuz he was, he was sleeping on the sofa."
2:50.40

excerpt from Day 12 Law and Crime, interview at Myrtle Beach w/FBI Agent Grusing, youtube = 5LCq243R92Q

2:40.xx to 2:42.xx approximately: LS explains that Gannon was not allowed to play with his switch per Albert. But Gannon had been so helpful that day that he earned "extra time", eg staying up about 30 minutes later that night.

2:44.20
LS: "I run back downstairs and Gannon was awake but not awake. Like you know how you could almost like be asleep but not asleep."
FBI G: "So he was in his bed?"
LS: "No, no, no. He wasn't in his bed. He was on the sofa. Right, right. So he was on the sofa. So when I pulled the cover, I pulled Gannon with the cover."
2:44.44

2:53.00
LS: "Yeah, I don't know about, but see the thing is, I don't know that Gannon would try to like purposely, like set something on fire. I don't know. I know that he did tell me later that he thought that I was coming downstairs, and, yeah, he was playing his game."
FBI G: "So he was playing his game when he knocked the candle over?"
LS: "Yeah, so he did tell us, he told me, and Laina, and all of us that, when we were all talking together, that he thought I was coming down the stairs to catch him on his game."
FBI G: "That's why he knocked it over?"
2:53.30

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IMO LS has claimed that: the fire woke Gannon, he was asleep, he was awake but not awake, he was asleep but not asleep, and that Gannon was wide awake playing his switch when he knocked the candle over. All lies, d*** lies, she's a lie machine and we still don't know what happened with the candle fire. grrrrgh!

IMO my newest theory is that Gannon was already drugged for whatever caused the bleeding on the carpet, and he was passed out on the couch when she lit him on fire. She was able to gaslight him that he started the fire in her CYA video because he was also drugged and out of it, in addition to being terrified, bleeding and burned.

Great post! Exactly!!

I wonder if there's any evidence from cameras that she actually left the house with Laina during the fire incident.

I think by the time she does that proof of life stuff (the interview with Gannon, the posed picture), he is drugged. She tried to set him (and the room) on fire, failed in that, he is badly burned, and she gives him the pain medication (likely an adult dose). She realizes that she has screwed up royally and her head goes into overdrive, trying to think of a way to explain it. The trips to Petco are somehow related to that, I hope we find out how. Then she determines that since he hasn't just up and died, and she can't find a way to abandon him or otherwise kill him in the "wilderness" (Palmer Lake area), she has to take him home. She's panicking. Gannon is going to tell Al something of what happened - perhaps by texting. She takes charge of his phone.

At some point, I think Gannon locked himself in his room or tried to. She may have started swinging the bat to get in, in a complete rage, and after giving Gannon the head wound, she follows through with her own Plan B. She needs to eliminate the witness to her crime and thinks that if she kills and disposes of Gannon, people will eventually believe one of her stories. She thinks she has Al eating out of the palm of her hand (I think he was completely checked out of that relationship and so, in a sense, she was kind of a babysitter rather than a wife) so she thinks he'll buy her story. She's SUCH a good mom. SO much better than Landen. Good thing she's so ignorant to how the world really works (especially digital evidence, but also forensic evidence - she may have thought she really had cleaned up enough - Letecia's eyes are all-seeing; Letecia's skills at EVERYTHING are perfect, in her mind).

Freud describes this personality type in a later work, where he's trying to classify humans (no one is normal in Freud's work, of course - normal is an empty category for his view of humans, we're all struggling with impulses). I think Letecia actually had thoughts such as, "Well, I'm going to jail for this anyway" (in regards to her abuse of Gannon on Sunday). Not an irresistible impulse at all.

IMO.
 
  • #29
While watching Day 12 of the trial on Friday 4/21/23, I was really confused. LS was telling FBI Agent Grusing that Gannon was up playing with his switch when the fire started - but I remembered her telling the EPCSO detectives that he was asleep. I went back to find these statements and below are JMO my own transcriptions from the two different interviews.

Also if anyone is looking for the part where LS describes conspiring with the kids to get Al to come home from Oklahoma by exaggerating about the fire, those statements are approximately 2:48.50 thru 2:52.00 on Day 12. This contradicts her statements to EPCSO where she repeatedly claimed she wanted to "fix it," and also "not say anything" because Albert freaks out about every little thing and "I'm on my knees and he'll be like 'you didn't do this, you weren't a good stepmom'" per Day 7 approximately 2:46.45 to 2:47.05.

excerpt from Day 7 from IckedMel, EPCSO interview 4 hours 19 mins, youtube = IHtlVtHuEzc

2:45.59
LS: "So I got a, a burn that was like (shows elbow). Gannon started running at that point cuz it wakes him up. He's alert. He's realizing that the covers and everything's on fire. The carpet's on fire. And we all go outside. So we get in Albert's truck and drive off."
2:46.14

2:50.24
LS: "Right, right. I do know that I saw covers coming up on fire."
Det B: "What was the, what covers were on, coming up on fire?"
LS: "Like he had a cover on cuz he was, he was sleeping on the sofa."
2:50.40

excerpt from Day 12 Law and Crime, interview at Myrtle Beach w/FBI Agent Grusing, youtube = 5LCq243R92Q

2:40.xx to 2:42.xx approximately: LS explains that Gannon was not allowed to play with his switch per Albert. But Gannon had been so helpful that day that he earned "extra time", eg staying up about 30 minutes later that night.

2:44.20
LS: "I run back downstairs and Gannon was awake but not awake. Like you know how you could almost like be asleep but not asleep."
FBI G: "So he was in his bed?"
LS: "No, no, no. He wasn't in his bed. He was on the sofa. Right, right. So he was on the sofa. So when I pulled the cover, I pulled Gannon with the cover."
2:44.44

2:53.00
LS: "Yeah, I don't know about, but see the thing is, I don't know that Gannon would try to like purposely, like set something on fire. I don't know. I know that he did tell me later that he thought that I was coming downstairs, and, yeah, he was playing his game."
FBI G: "So he was playing his game when he knocked the candle over?"
LS: "Yeah, so he did tell us, he told me, and Laina, and all of us that, when we were all talking together, that he thought I was coming down the stairs to catch him on his game."
FBI G: "That's why he knocked it over?"
2:53.30

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IMO LS has claimed that: the fire woke Gannon, he was asleep, he was awake but not awake, he was asleep but not asleep, and that Gannon was wide awake playing his switch when he knocked the candle over. All lies, d*** lies, she's a lie machine and we still don't know what happened with the candle fire. grrrrgh!

IMO my newest theory is that Gannon was already drugged for whatever caused the bleeding on the carpet, and he was passed out on the couch when she lit him on fire. She was able to gaslight him that he started the fire in her CYA video because he was also drugged and out of it, in addition to being terrified, bleeding and burned.
You are on to something.

Gannon had blunt force trauma to his right front temple IIRC.

T described injuries to Gannon's face that were different than that -- sounds like a busted lip and a broken nose. (She told on herself twice -- once with "you know Gannon always has nosebleeds".) Did T backhand Gannon? Before the rest of the attempts to take his life?

I can hear her telling a child to apologize to her for making her have to hit him.... maybe she gave him the drug because of that injury.

Then invented the fire plan. Gannon would die in the fire, his injury would be disguised by fire damage, maybe she'd singe some of her arm hairs in an attempt to look like she'd tried to save him. And they could be a family, just minus Gannon. But they could talk about him if they wanted to. <<<------ she really thinks like this? :0

But the fire didn't wholly ignite. And it woke Gannon up out of a drugged sleep. Horrifying! I believe his arms, hands and chest were burned. Badly.

At this point, Gannon knew (in my theory) that T had hit him (which surely she made him feel responsible for) but not that she'd set him on fire (made him accept responsibility for the candle)...

Now T is applying aloe and bandaging him up. (She later said it was his cut foot she bandaged but it was more likely his burns she bandaged.)

I wonder if L was able to describe what Gannon wore to bed that night.... and whether LE found those pajamas in the house....

The list of vicious injuries to this little boy keeps growing.

It's beyond comprehension.

Jmo
 
  • #30
So remember how HH said it was cold in the basement ,The windows open etc.. So maybe thinking she was getting the dog sweaters because she was concerned with them being cold because she was planning on saying the heat was broken.But she could not get a plan worked out to stick with one.
 
  • #31
I have some questions about her google searches...did she stab him once, and tried to stop the bleeding but couldnt, so she stabbed him a bunch more times?

What results was she hoping to get when she googled "I dont like my stepson?" Step-by-step instructions about what to do?

Can she really be thay dense?

I just google searched I don't like my stepson and I was surprised at the results: Links to parenting magazines, blogs, Quora, Subreddit, Cinderella syndrome, etc.

I also think LS's search could have led to a forum where she would see she was not alone in feeling unappreciated or overwhelmed. What doesn't come up during this search is how to abuse, torture, or kill your stepson!

From the AA, LS's google searches occur at all hours. Listening to the recorded convos, when LS wants to talk, she won't take no for an answer -- whether AS at work, commuting, or sleeping, she demands her needs are met NOW, (instant gratification), not later. Since LS's call history is not in evidence, I think LS often turned to the internet whenever AS was unavailable to her or when he would not pick up. We already know she's exhausting. MOO

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  • #32
Great post @Kingsley! Reminds me of these photos and captions from Oregon's all-female mental hospital in the 70's -- Ward 81.

Thanks for the article.
Marks and Jacobs had tremendous emotional courage to document that.
I didn’t see mistreatment where I was - although not too much later in time from the ward 81 article, but the sense of deep unhappiness and hopelessness is something I remember well.
 
  • #33
So, I am assuming we've heard no real carpet analysis (or blanket analysis) so far. Was an accelerant used? I don't recall an expert testifying about carpet. Were there attempts (as Letecia stated) to treat the carpet stain? (Which carpet stain? We know she removed a square of carpet with Gannon's blood on it - unless I'm totally misremembering).

Can someone remind me where that one square came from originally? I believe it was found rolled up in the extra carpet in the storage room. Was it from Gannon's room? Since there was a large pool of blood under Gannon's bed, accounted for by the fact that he died in his bed (I am assuming)...what accounts for this other concentration of blood?

I am wondering if future experts will speak to any of this. We've still got the Petco Employees. And perhaps video from various places around Colorado Springs, showing Letecia's attempts to kill and then cover-up. I assume the State will also place a couple of psychologists/psychiatrists on the stand.

IMO.
 
  • #34
In most State Mental Hospitals, there are different wards. I have taken students to hospitals on field trips - and yes, HS students in particular get to see the "nice" patients. There are other wards, which was my earlier point.

I've been to a few state hospitals where they still had the "old ward" for the most dangerous patients (those wards were no longer in use and featured strait jackets built into chairs that were almost like wooden thrones, which in turn were bolted to the walls). Last use of those went out a long time ago. Now, they have the same type of patient in a special treatment ward, where they can be restrained more humanely. Those patients do not typically get seen on field trips. I was in grad school and on a research grant before I ever saw those patients. Even then, the administrators limited access to them (too easily manipulating and too easily upset - getting them to be balance, on meds, restrictions, etc., is complex).

I don't think anyone should be harmed by someone else in a prison, a jail, or a state mental hospital. Even though people may be convicted, other prisoners should not be their justice. People on minor offenses (misdemeanors and in CO and CA, also people who are serving felony sentences of two years and under) do not go to prison. Within every prison where I've worked (and I haven't been in prisons as much as in jails and mental hospitals), there are degrees of confinement. There has to be that, because even with LSWP people, they need something to work for (a better situation in prison).

If Letecia behaves the way I think she's capable of behaving (keeping people awake at night, starting verbal conflicts, getting into physical altercations, lying, manipulating, possibly stealing from other prisoners), sure, the other prisoners will "take care of her." But the State has an obligation to protect her and give her medical care. She's a malingerer. She'll end up in the psych ward at the prison and it'll be up to the treating psychiatrist there to advocate for a different, more manageable location. Hospital wards in prisons are still there to provide benign care to prisoners, not to be permanently disrupted by Letecia Stauch, who will quickly learn how to get herself into that environment (surrounded by professionals and workers, mostly, instead of other prisoners). IME, such wards have very high rates of turnover in terms of LVN's and RN's (who end up stuck dealing with Letecia). If you read stories of prison manipulators and escapees, it often starts with that "pathway.'

Whereas in psychiatric hospitals with a ward for the dangerous, it will have special sleeping arrangements (most prison hospitals have more than one patient in a space, but not all of them do - if anyone from CO knows if there are maximum security hospital wards in CO prisons, I'd love to hear about it - otherwise, I'll try and find the answer myself). Social time (can be as short as one hour a day) can still involve restraints (sometimes, has to). Restraints are designed for long term use and for inability to use as weapons.

In the end, I don't care where she goes, but I want her to have a determined sentence. Which brings me to my understanding of CO law. My understanding is that to get Life Sentence Without Parole she must be found Guilty. Then they can send her to prison. Then, if prison can't handle her, she can go to Pueblo. And that is what I envision will eventually happen to her. She won't go straight to Pueblo because I think Grusing's testimony on Friday put another nail in the coffin - there was no irresistible impulse. She helped the State immensely with her storytelling and lying in that Friday testimony.

She tried to figure out a way and attempt to kill that poor little boy multiple times over a couple of days, and she was able to drive, direct clean-up, send HH to purchase things for clean-up, etc. She has never once claimed that "Gannon did something" that triggered an irresistible impulse. Her defense is about to claim that she has amnesia for some of that period (DID), but her own details of nearly every minute (with multiple stories in some of the time slots) has done her in.

IMO. She is capable of great harm to other people in the future.
I hope this doesn’t sound odd, but really thank you for your work with those that many deem hopeless or irredeemable.
 
  • #35
I think we'd know by now, if she'd purchased any such thing.

I think she went to A store to leave a phone behind so she could travel untracked.

Petco may have had the fewest cars in the parking lot.

I think the purchases were primarily to tamp down looking superspicious to the employees.

Which she looked anyway.

It's those two hours off-grid that disturb me as much as anything.

Jmo

In addition, you can't just walk into Petco and get animal meds without a prescription, though maybe she didn't know that.
 
  • #36
So, I am assuming we've heard no real carpet analysis (or blanket analysis) so far. Was an accelerant used? I don't recall an expert testifying about carpet. Were there attempts (as Letecia stated) to treat the carpet stain? (Which carpet stain? We know she removed a square of carpet with Gannon's blood on it - unless I'm totally misremembering).

Can someone remind me where that one square came from originally? I believe it was found rolled up in the extra carpet in the storage room. Was it from Gannon's room? Since there was a large pool of blood under Gannon's bed, accounted for by the fact that he died in his bed (I am assuming)...what accounts for this other concentration of blood?

I am wondering if future experts will speak to any of this. We've still got the Petco Employees. And perhaps video from various places around Colorado Springs, showing Letecia's attempts to kill and then cover-up. I assume the State will also place a couple of psychologists/psychiatrists on the stand.

IMO.
There were traces of blood found in the rough area of the carpet that was burned, I believe. I think one of the CSIs talked about it, one of the women.

MOO
 
  • #37
Many moons ago, as a teenager in Washington state, I took a psychology class in high school. In his wisdom, our teacher had us do a couple of field trips to a couple mental hospitals- one a VA and one a state hospital. He wanted us to be able to understand that these were PEOPLE not just cases in books. We met with groups that specifically would be low danger to us. I will never forget those trips. These weren’t eccentric people, but severely ill and to be honest, very pitiful people. Every part of me objects when I think of their lives being made even more challenging by being subjected to the likes of LS. she doesn’t need access to any more vulnerable people.
So, while she may fit in fine in prison, prison is at least keeping her from hurting the innocent- removing her from society. I think that’s probably the only justice here on earth. Hopefully, those in prison who are redeemable or for minor offenses can be protected.
So I kind of agree.
JMO
So interesting, @Kingsley. Sounds like a wonderful educator. Fascinating info. I don't recall the name of the movie but many years ago I watched a super scary movie about a woman in a mental hospital. Mental health is a serious issue as you already know and even today still a taboo issue.

It is very disappointing that Letecia makes false claims of serious issues such as harassment, rape, and mental health issues.

Additionally, I remember reading quite a bit about mental health issues. Actress Frances Farmer is one that I remember most but I don't remember anything about her acting career because it was before my time.

All speculation. moo


After one violent physical attack, Lillian had Farmer committed to Western State Hospital at Steilacoom, Washington.[68] In a 1958 television interview by Ralph Edwards on his This is Your Life program, Frances recalled her experience:

It was very much like anyone else's that is admitted to a public institution. They don’t have means for individual psychiatric care, there’s only so many beds available. I stood in line with 15 or 20 girls like myself, in the hospital for one reason or another. We received shots, or hydrotherapy baths, or electric shock treatment. This was supposed to relax the tensions and keep us quiet, which it did. I don’t blame the hospital at all—I think that they did everything in their power to take care of the enormous number of people they had, but I really don’t think it helped me much.
 
  • #38
It is very disappointing that Letecia makes false claims of serious issues such as harassment, rape, and mental health issues.

Additionally, I remember reading quite a bit about mental health issues. Actress Frances Farmer is one that I remember most but I don't remember anything about her acting career because it was before my time.

All speculation. moo


After one violent physical attack, Lillian had Farmer committed to Western State Hospital at Steilacoom, Washington.[68] In a 1958 television interview by Ralph Edwards on his This is Your Life program, Frances recalled her experience:
Ironically (?), that is one of the hospitals I visited in the 80s.
I do remember her case, too.
 
  • #39
Is there somewhere I can go for a summary of what witnesses testify and on what day? I want to go back and listen to specific parts.
I did 3 days only. Here is the list:


Week 3
Mon., 4.17. 2023
Day 9 Witness Harley Hunt (defendant’s daughter)

Tues., 4.18.2023
Day 10
Witnessess
Lt. John Sarkisian w/EPCSO
Kevin Clark (DA’s office)
Lt. Mitchell Mihalko w/EPCSO
Alyssa Berriesford CSI
Tom Griffin CSI forensic consultant and blood stain pattern analysis
Det. Pete Woods Myrtle Beach PD
Det. John Price w/EPCSO
FBI agent Cronan
Listened to FBI phone recording call date 2.15.2020 between AS and defendant

Wed., 4.19.2023
Day 11
Witnesses
Morning started w/rest of FBI recorded phone call (date 2.15.2020) between AS and defendant
FBI agent Cronan back on the stand
FBI agent Grushing (2nd witness) Assisted w/FBI recorded phone calls
Listened to three more FBI recorded phone calls
 
  • #40
I "love" the Google search, with time and date stamps. It is an absolute layout of LS's thought process, and victimhood.
 
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