CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #62

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  • #41
1. She attempted to cover for the weirdness by making two separate purchases.

2. She was only there to park Gannon's phone for two hours...

Which tells me she intended for something to happen during that time, which she didn't want tracked.

Where did she go? And why did she pivot?

She ran out of time? We know she felt compelled to be home for little L. (Because she wanted to look like a good mom? Because she had additional clean-up to do first?)

IMO T's pre-story was changing.

I think she drove to somewhere, made Gannon get out of the car -- and then thought twice of it.

But.... had she followed through, I think she would have claimed that Gannon was abducted from the parking lot, a version of which we just heard. Why did she bring him home?


Truth be told, I hope I am never able to make sense of what she was thinking. That's a wormhole I don't want to get stuck in.

She is terrifying.

Jmo
BBM
I think this is exactly what happened. I think she realized he was never going to die out in the elements. And she couldn't risk him being found alive.

When you watch het coming home. She slams her truck door and stomps off. MOO

I thinks her rage was taking over...and we know the rest.
 
  • #42
I just google searched I don't like my stepson and I was surprised at the results: Links to parenting magazines, blogs, Quora, Subreddit, Cinderella syndrome, etc.

I also think LS's search could have led to a forum where she would see she was not alone in feeling unappreciated or overwhelmed. What doesn't come up during this search is how to abuse, torture, or kill your stepson!

From the AA, LS's google searches occur at all hours. Listening to the recorded convos, when LS wants to talk, she won't take no for an answer -- whether AS at work, commuting, or sleeping, she demands her needs are met NOW, (instant gratification), not later. Since LS's call history is not in evidence, I think LS often turned to the internet whenever AS was unavailable to her or when he would not pick up. We already know she's exhausting. MOO

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I didnt realize those results came up. I wonder if she really wanted to change the situation.

Are those just the results of stuff she didnt delete? Because there are a bunch left out.

I was trying to figure out a motive for this attack, and I think her hatred of LH and anger towards AS had something to do with it.

A lot of people here have mentioned Narcissism. Narcissistic rage is a real thing.

Im just confused about the timeline, when did she get back from errands and how much time did she have to clean up?
 
  • #43
I wish LE had offered her impunity....

If T thought she'd been given immunity, I still don't think she'd have come clean -- it probably would've been just another iteration, in which she both looked good and was the victim.

But I wonder if they could have gaslighted the gaslighter? Appeal to her voracious ego. Tell her she'd outsmarted all of them. Offer her a lifetime of impunity if she would address a symposium of LE and explain her counter-detection maneuvers so they could catch less brilliant criminals in the future.

It actually might happen yet. Once she's safely caged. Because IMO she'll keep talking. The right journalist might gain her trust and pin T to a version that's very close to the raw, awful truth.

Mostly though I hope she finds herself wholly without audience.

I think we've heard enough from her.

Jmo
 
  • #44
If T deleted any of her search history, that's pretty sane.

Also stupid, but very sane.

Jmo
 
  • #45
Is Dr Dorothy Otnow Lewis the defense's expert witness? Im watching her documentary right now. Shes supposedly a DID expert.

She said DID starts early in childhood. If Letecia had it, someone would notice.
 
  • #46
I hope this doesn’t sound odd, but really thank you for your work with those that many deem hopeless or irredeemable.
That's very kind of you.

I don't know how helpful my work has been to them, directly. My work has always had the focus of helping treatment teams better understand what's going on (it's odd how patients speak differently to outsiders/non-staff - I was kind of like a visitor from the patient point of view - they often told me things about staff or other patients and I could keep them anonymous when I met with the staff). I would sit in the TV room, for example, and just chill with the patients. Or I'd just talk to random prisoners in various stages of their inmate experience. Sometimes, the goal was more patient-oriented (toward a particular patient). The psychiatric nurses were my teachers. The psychiatrists were formidable, I never ran into a single one who wasn't doing their best for patients, but it is a very difficult job and almost no one lasts for decades or even a decade, in that context. As a result, in many institutions (whether prison psych wards or state hospitals), care/supervision is provided by people with less than a bachelor's and sometimes with just a GED (often called ward techs or orderlies). The state psych hospital required everyone to do training though.

But I did get "taken in" by various people. I'd become convinced someone wasn't mentally ill enough to be locked up indefinitely (someone who was wanting out). My conviction would usually only last a couple of hours and the psychiatrists taught me a lot about how not to get taken in. They also found some of my efforts quite humorous. It's still amazing to me how powerful the transference can be when one is in the presence of certain mental illnesses.

The rubric for care at most of the places I worked was that there could be only one severely disordered (psychopath; sociopath; severe PD people) per unit, as a baseline. This was considered a step in their treatment (the severely disordered people were still given hope - it's very important that they occasionally try to re-integrate into an environment that isn't just all severely disordered people). However, due to economic constraints, there would often be 4-5 such people in a ward.

Then, there were wards for the severely disabled longterm people (schizophrenic wards turned out to be more predictable and manageable for me, personally). It was very interesting getting to see so many psychotic people come into the intake units at each of these places (I did quite a bit of ER observation as well). One psychiatrist said, "All psychosis looks pretty much alike, at least in the first hours of admitting them: schizophrenics; bipolars; major depresson; drug addicts; schizoaffectives, some Personality Disorders." At the time I did most of my work, there were very few ways of easily telling how to manage treatment in those first hours.

Bottom line is: people can be quite dangerous but appear perfectly normal. The longterm mentally ill are usually incapable of organizing a crime (but can be very impulsive - I actually stopped working in the jails some time ago, due to this issue, it was just too scary sometimes, especially at the intake jail). Working at the jail, btw, was every single person's least desired job within the public agency where they all worked - they all worked diligently to put in enough time and receive good employee reviews, so that they could get the heck out of there. Many of them found jobs elsewhere as well. At the employee entrance to the State Hospital, there was a little museum of weapons taken from patients (often improvised from a gift brought in by a family member - such as a pen or pencil). Sobering. There was a ward for pedophile rapists and another for "regular" serial rapists. Serial killers get sent to the special Medical (Psych) Ward at Vacaville, in CA. I was there only once (but studied under the man who studied Kemperer there). That was not for me.

At any rate, Letecia seems to have been functioning at a moderately high level right before she killed Gannon. She seems to have evaded psychiatric care altogether. That has brought me around to several other theories about this case that are pure speculation (and most of that speculation initially came from members here). Such as: Was Letecia sexually active outside her marriage? Why is there discussion of a threesome? (She acts as if Al would have had knowledge of this - which I doubt - but it's still a peculiar thing to say). Why did she take $8000+ from Al? What did she do with it? Was that the only time money went missing? Did she use street drugs? Why does her mind so rapidly go to Bad Actors/criminals (how often has she told Al that her car was followed?) Does she really have an Ed.D.? Will we ever know? Did she really go to law school (Al seems to doubt it). Was Al about to leave her? Did she get weird every time he left town? Why does she pressure Grusing for "protection" for her mother and siblings? Al seems pretty onto her (that yawn and the other "advertiser censored" behaviors he uses on her really got to her. That part is just regular narcissism. But a spiraling, malignant narcissism is something else to watch. I wonder what her real triggers were that weekend.

I am keeping in mind that almost all of this, if any of it is relevant, had to have happened outside of HH's knowledge. Neither HH nor AS seem to treat LS as if she's insane, which I find notable. AS speaks to her as he always has, apparently, as if she's perfectly sane or at least capable of understanding exactly what she says. He acts as if they both know she's lying, she tries to bribe him to say otherwise. She's used to turning her intimate relationships into this kind of...messed up attempt to manipulate. Probably applies to every relationship in her world and everyone has enabled her in some way (out of fear, most likely).

Sorry for the long Sunday post. I'm just catching up.

SPECULATION and opinion above.
 
  • #47
I wish I wasnt thinking about this case so much today but I am and I want to do other things today so if someone can tell me if we know if Gannon was Alive when he was shot or not?

I could see her shooting him after she stabbed him so she could use the guy with the gun story , I kinda picture her running around trying to stage things like a child would do .
I see how she looks to google for inspiration and I decided to google fires around hat time and would ya know it ,This story definitely looks like it might have inspired an intentional fire, for LS to use as an example of the risk she takes by watching his kids alone all the time. All while he is a work she has to deal with the risk and issues.
Updated: Craig woman pleads guilty in 2018 Christmas Eve fire that killed 3-year-old son
 
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I wish I wasnt thinking about this case so much today but I am and I want to do other things today so if someone can tell me if we know if Gannon was Alive when he was shot or not?
^^rsbm

I recall the pathologist/medical examiner opining that GS was probably stabbed multiple times before he was shot because he had defensive wounds which he would not have had if he'd been shot first. IMO, shooting GS in the head was probably more staging as you described, and he was most likely deceased already.
 
  • #49
So, I am assuming we've heard no real carpet analysis (or blanket analysis) so far. Was an accelerant used? I don't recall an expert testifying about carpet. Were there attempts (as Letecia stated) to treat the carpet stain? (Which carpet stain? We know she removed a square of carpet with Gannon's blood on it - unless I'm totally misremembering).

Can someone remind me where that one square came from originally? I believe it was found rolled up in the extra carpet in the storage room. Was it from Gannon's room? Since there was a large pool of blood under Gannon's bed, accounted for by the fact that he died in his bed (I am assuming)...what accounts for this other concentration of blood?

I am wondering if future experts will speak to any of this. We've still got the Petco Employees. And perhaps video from various places around Colorado Springs, showing Letecia's attempts to kill and then cover-up. I assume the State will also place a couple of psychologists/psychiatrists on the stand.

IMO.
At the end of Court on Friday, DA Allen said he has one or two mental health experts for Wednesday morning. Gray and or Torres.

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Then he mentioned that on Monday and Tuesday he has 3 witnesses flying in from the East Coast and one from Hawaii. I’m pretty sure he said Grimmett is the one coming from Hawaii.




She performed a competency exam back in 2021. Yes, I know competent to stand trial is different than sanity.

Edit: I don’t mean that last sentence to sound snarky!

 
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  • #50
Is Dr Dorothy Otnow Lewis the defense's expert witness? Im watching her documentary right now. Shes supposedly a DID expert.

She said DID starts early in childhood. If Letecia had it, someone would notice.

Yes, she's the one, but she would disagree with you. Her whole career is about being the one who finally discovers what's wrong with these trauma victims. Your post dovetails with mine (HH and AS appear not to know that LS has DID - and do not seek treatment for her or treat her as if she has this disorder; in short, they haven't noticed?)

And she doesn't just say that it (often) starts with childhood trauma. She's pretty big on claiming that various insanity-producing disorders, like DID, are also associated with brain trauma and she thinks that brain scans typically show abnormalities in the same populations as the ones she has worked with. She is exceptionally controversial within her field (originally leaning psychoanalytic rather than biopsychiatry), and hasn't published academically for more than a decade, IIRC. So, she kind of bowed out of the debate right as the SPECT and MRI analysis were starting to disagree with her. I could feel more comfortable with DID diagnoses if there were visible traces of the brain undergoing altered states due to switching personalities. There is some evidence that DID does in fact cause the brain to behave differently:


And it CAN be caused by childhood trauma, but not always. Sometimes the trauma is later. Sometimes there's a brain injury. Here's an example of more recent work, in which the DID diagnosis is substantiated by physical (neuroanatomical) evidence:


That article is free and complete, I believe.

An even more recent article tries to use that data to further the study of DID, which the authors appear to propose is an extreme form of PTSD (which makes sense, since disassociation is a common defense against trauma, and can be perfectly normal - we all do it, sometimes in response merely to mild negative stimulus). Newer research on DID moves away from the "alter" personae perspective and focuses on the amnesia and the disassociation itself.

Some researchers are starting to talk about biological markers. (In the Hippocampus, which is the Crown of Memory and from my POV, we are just beginning to study it in the sciences). Sociocultural elements are also associated with DID (some studies show a rather strong association).

The part of the trial dealing with her DID may be ground-breaking, although Dr Lewis is hardly the cutting edge expert in this. If I were on the jury (I can't imagine they'd allow me), I'd want to see a brain study. I'd want to see those bio-markers.

IMO.
 
  • #51
At the end of Court on Friday, DA Allen said he has one or two mental health experts for Wednesday morning. Gray and or Torres.

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Then he mentioned that on Monday and Tuesday he has 3 witnesses flying in from the East Coast and one from Hawaii. I’m pretty sure he said Grimmett is the one coming from Hawaii.




She performed a competency exam back in 2021. Yes, I know competent to stand trial is different than sanity.

Edit: I don’t mean that last sentence to sound snarky!


You never sound snarky!

Thank you so much. One or more of them will testify about her MMPI results. I am beyond excited about that - because I believe the State said in their opening (or at some point) that she could be a malingerer (which is what I think she is). That's yet another reason why I think she'll pull out even more batty behaviors once she's permanently behind bars. Malingering is the opposite of being "mentally ill," and it will give the jury a very close focus on why Letecia is the way she is. She's used to playing a victim card (malingering). OTOH, Letecia has shown significant cognitive difficulty in those phone calls, with both AS and Grusing. I think it's the panicked behavior of someone who has no clue how she totally lost control and killed someone, but was prepared to kill someone and had thought about consequences, both before and after. As her "plan" unravels, she gets sloppy (but to me, that panicked unraveling would be enough to bring on a psychotic break for some people - or cause severe disassociation in others). I see no signs of either. Limited, stupid planning, yes - but still planning, and her affect is not all over the place - it's just consistently inappropriate and she is exceedingly self-interested.


I hope the psychologists try to establish that malignant narcissism is not a form of insanity, but a playbook for people who are selfish. Narcissistic PD is so widespread, we can't use it as a benchmark for insanity!

IMO.
 
  • #52
I wish I wasnt thinking about this case so much today but I am and I want to do other things today so if someone can tell me if we know if Gannon was Alive when he was shot or not?

I could see her shooting him after she stabbed him so she could use the guy with the gun story , I kinda picture her running around trying to stage things like a child would do .
I see how she looks to google for inspiration and I decided to google fires around hat time and would ya know it ,This story definitely looks like it might have inspired an intentional fire, for LS to use as an example of the risk she takes by watching his kids alone all the time. All while he is a work she has to deal with the risk and issues.
Updated: Craig woman pleads guilty in 2018 Christmas Eve fire that killed 3-year-old son
The ME, Dr. Susan Ignacio, knew her stuff, and trained forensic pathologists and anthropologists are experienced in differentiating postmortem injuries from ones done after death. If the gunshot was done postmortem, or if she wasn't able to tell, IMO, she would have said so. The only talk of postmortem injuries was from the defense, who tried to imply the blunt force injuries could have been postmortem, perhaps when the case was dumped. She rejected that cold. When the jury asked if she could determine if he had been burned on his arms, she said she couldn't tell because of decomposition. The cause of death was listed as both the blunt trauma and the gunshot, because both would have been fatal on their own. The gunshot was what literally stopped his heart and breathing, because the bullet hit a very high vertebra and severed his spinal cord. This is all from my memories of the testimony of the ME from Florida. If you want to hear it for yourself, I think there are a number of youtube channels that have the stream uploaded from the trial. I will warn you, though, that the stream I watched, the direct court Webex, the postmortem photographs were clearly visible on the screen behind the witness. I think some of the rebroadcasters blurred them, but I don't know which youtube channels censored them.

The relevant part of the threads begins around here:

CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #56
 
  • #53
Yes, she's the one, but she would disagree with you. Her whole career is about being the one who finally discovers what's wrong with these trauma victims. Your post dovetails with mine (HH and AS appear not to know that LS has DID - and do not seek treatment for her or treat her as if she has this disorder; in short, they haven't noticed?)

And she doesn't just say that it (often) starts with childhood trauma. She's pretty big on claiming that various insanity-producing disorders, like DID, are also associated with brain trauma and she thinks that brain scans typically show abnormalities in the same populations as the ones she has worked with. She is exceptionally controversial within her field (originally leaning psychoanalytic rather than biopsychiatry), and hasn't published academically for more than a decade, IIRC. So, she kind of bowed out of the debate right as the SPECT and MRI analysis were starting to disagree with her. I could feel more comfortable with DID diagnoses if there were visible traces of the brain undergoing altered states due to switching personalities. There is some evidence that DID does in fact cause the brain to behave differently:


And it CAN be caused by childhood trauma, but not always. Sometimes the trauma is later. Sometimes there's a brain injury. Here's an example of more recent work, in which the DID diagnosis is substantiated by physical (neuroanatomical) evidence:


That article is free and complete, I believe.

An even more recent article tries to use that data to further the study of DID, which the authors appear to propose is an extreme form of PTSD (which makes sense, since disassociation is a common defense against trauma, and can be perfectly normal - we all do it, sometimes in response merely to mild negative stimulus). Newer research on DID moves away from the "alter" personae perspective and focuses on the amnesia and the disassociation itself.

Some researchers are starting to talk about biological markers. (In the Hippocampus, which is the Crown of Memory and from my POV, we are just beginning to study it in the sciences). Sociocultural elements are also associated with DID (some studies show a rather strong association).

The part of the trial dealing with her DID may be ground-breaking, although Dr Lewis is hardly the cutting edge expert in this. If I were on the jury (I can't imagine they'd allow me), I'd want to see a brain study. I'd want to see those bio-markers.

IMO.
I think this doctor is well-spoken, seems to know what shes talking about. I entertained her theories, up until she said Ted Bundy is incompetent because he had bipolar disorder.

But Im with you, I would want to see those bio-markers too.
 
  • #54
That's very kind of you.

I don't know how helpful my work has been to them, directly. My work has always had the focus of helping treatment teams better understand what's going on (it's odd how patients speak differently to outsiders/non-staff - I was kind of like a visitor from the patient point of view - they often told me things about staff or other patients and I could keep them anonymous when I met with the staff). I would sit in the TV room, for example, and just chill with the patients. Or I'd just talk to random prisoners in various stages of their inmate experience. Sometimes, the goal was more patient-oriented (toward a particular patient). The psychiatric nurses were my teachers. The psychiatrists were formidable, I never ran into a single one who wasn't doing their best for patients, but it is a very difficult job and almost no one lasts for decades or even a decade, in that context. As a result, in many institutions (whether prison psych wards or state hospitals), care/supervision is provided by people with less than a bachelor's and sometimes with just a GED (often called ward techs or orderlies). The state psych hospital required everyone to do training though.

But I did get "taken in" by various people. I'd become convinced someone wasn't mentally ill enough to be locked up indefinitely (someone who was wanting out). My conviction would usually only last a couple of hours and the psychiatrists taught me a lot about how not to get taken in. They also found some of my efforts quite humorous. It's still amazing to me how powerful the transference can be when one is in the presence of certain mental illnesses.

The rubric for care at most of the places I worked was that there could be only one severely disordered (psychopath; sociopath; severe PD people) per unit, as a baseline. This was considered a step in their treatment (the severely disordered people were still given hope - it's very important that they occasionally try to re-integrate into an environment that isn't just all severely disordered people). However, due to economic constraints, there would often be 4-5 such people in a ward.

Then, there were wards for the severely disabled longterm people (schizophrenic wards turned out to be more predictable and manageable for me, personally). It was very interesting getting to see so many psychotic people come into the intake units at each of these places (I did quite a bit of ER observation as well). One psychiatrist said, "All psychosis looks pretty much alike, at least in the first hours of admitting them: schizophrenics; bipolars; major depresson; drug addicts; schizoaffectives, some Personality Disorders." At the time I did most of my work, there were very few ways of easily telling how to manage treatment in those first hours.

Bottom line is: people can be quite dangerous but appear perfectly normal. The longterm mentally ill are usually incapable of organizing a crime (but can be very impulsive - I actually stopped working in the jails some time ago, due to this issue, it was just too scary sometimes, especially at the intake jail). Working at the jail, btw, was every single person's least desired job within the public agency where they all worked - they all worked diligently to put in enough time and receive good employee reviews, so that they could get the heck out of there. Many of them found jobs elsewhere as well. At the employee entrance to the State Hospital, there was a little museum of weapons taken from patients (often improvised from a gift brought in by a family member - such as a pen or pencil). Sobering. There was a ward for pedophile rapists and another for "regular" serial rapists. Serial killers get sent to the special Medical (Psych) Ward at Vacaville, in CA. I was there only once (but studied under the man who studied Kemperer there). That was not for me.

At any rate, Letecia seems to have been functioning at a moderately high level right before she killed Gannon. She seems to have evaded psychiatric care altogether. That has brought me around to several other theories about this case that are pure speculation (and most of that speculation initially came from members here). Such as: Was Letecia sexually active outside her marriage? Why is there discussion of a threesome? (She acts as if Al would have had knowledge of this - which I doubt - but it's still a peculiar thing to say). Why did she take $8000+ from Al? What did she do with it? Was that the only time money went missing? Did she use street drugs? Why does her mind so rapidly go to Bad Actors/criminals (how often has she told Al that her car was followed?) Does she really have an Ed.D.? Will we ever know? Did she really go to law school (Al seems to doubt it). Was Al about to leave her? Did she get weird every time he left town? Why does she pressure Grusing for "protection" for her mother and siblings? Al seems pretty onto her (that yawn and the other "advertiser censored" behaviors he uses on her really got to her. That part is just regular narcissism. But a spiraling, malignant narcissism is something else to watch. I wonder what her real triggers were that weekend.

I am keeping in mind that almost all of this, if any of it is relevant, had to have happened outside of HH's knowledge. Neither HH nor AS seem to treat LS as if she's insane, which I find notable. AS speaks to her as he always has, apparently, as if she's perfectly sane or at least capable of understanding exactly what she says. He acts as if they both know she's lying, she tries to bribe him to say otherwise. She's used to turning her intimate relationships into this kind of...messed up attempt to manipulate. Probably applies to every relationship in her world and everyone has enabled her in some way (out of fear, most likely).

Sorry for the long Sunday post. I'm just catching up.

SPECULATION and opinion above.
This will be of little help in terms of trying to know just what it is that's going on with LS, but I once, briefly, had a girl living 2 doors away from me, who acted, and even spoke in similar ways to LS (but with a UK accent). She was a heavy drug user, and unlike LS she was young and unemployed. She lived there only a matter of a couple of weeks, because almost straight away her male partner was arrested and taken away for drugs offences. She then came around to my house and acted really friendly, innocent, and charming; and told me a ridiculously tall tale about how she'd known nothing about the drugs, and had needed to climb out of an upstairs window and jump 20 feet onto concrete to escape a gang of armed dealers. Then she tried to tap me up for money, and turned into a vicious tongued nightmare when I turned her down.

Before she'd turned nasty I gathered that she was on some strong benzodiazepines that would have had me asleep for a week, and I later saw mental health crisis support type people turning up. This was all many years ago, and she had come and gone from my life in no time. So I've never had cause to think of her at all until LS reminded me of her. It's the non-stop talking, the implausible stories, the attempts to ingratiate, and the total inability to cope when someone doesn't 'cooperate'.
 
  • #55
I wonder if we'll see the store CCTV of her going to the window repeatedly. I assume that was on her first trip to the store and I do believe her general characterization that she was freaking out -- was she making sure he didn't sit up or more likely, that no one went near the truck? That makes more sense to me. I wonder where she parked.

The coroner testified that the hydrocodone (I think that's what it was) had already begun to metabolize but I don't know if that means he'd only been given one dose. Would a tox report be able to show a drug at various levels of metabolizing? The entire Rx was missing, right? Was the hydrocodone wearing off or was she feeding him more?

She's given two stories -- good mom, I guess checking on him because she's not like those moms who leave their kids in cars and hostage, Cash Belly sent her into the store. So... I say neither is true. Not a hero, not a victim.

I think the real truth is that T was freaking out, was trying to build an alibi but for an outcome of which she hadn't yet worked out the details.

For instance, googling about leaving a sick kid home.

She was playing both ends at Petco. IMO trying to establish an outward alibi that she'd gone shopping, ran errands. And trying not to look superspicious to the Petco staff. Just buying stuff, then coming back to buy more stuff. To cover for leaving the phone there.

Anybody know the details of that model truck? Can backseat passengers open the door or does a frontseat passenger gave to open theirs first.

Was T only in the store long enough to hide a phone, make a purchase and in that brief time checked on the vehicle multiple times?

Was she making sure Gannon didn't move to the front seat from which he might exit the car, be able to call for help? Did T pick the store she picked because of a particularly empty lot?

She's got a lie about it so you know it's significant. I just can't get my thumb on it.

Heart-breaking to know how much pain and fear he was already in and probably still too scared of her to try to get help from anyone in the parking lot. She is just layers and layers of mean. Evil.

JMO
I think she kept giving him more and more hydrocodone hoping he would die while in the truck. He was probably sleeping. When he didn't die, she finished him off at home. He was a very strong little boy, but no match for her. May he rest in peace forever.
 
  • #56
Yes, she's the one, but she would disagree with you. Her whole career is about being the one who finally discovers what's wrong with these trauma victims. Your post dovetails with mine (HH and AS appear not to know that LS has DID - and do not seek treatment for her or treat her as if she has this disorder; in short, they haven't noticed?)

And she doesn't just say that it (often) starts with childhood trauma. She's pretty big on claiming that various insanity-producing disorders, like DID, are also associated with brain trauma and she thinks that brain scans typically show abnormalities in the same populations as the ones she has worked with. She is exceptionally controversial within her field (originally leaning psychoanalytic rather than biopsychiatry), and hasn't published academically for more than a decade, IIRC. So, she kind of bowed out of the debate right as the SPECT and MRI analysis were starting to disagree with her. I could feel more comfortable with DID diagnoses if there were visible traces of the brain undergoing altered states due to switching personalities. There is some evidence that DID does in fact cause the brain to behave differently:


And it CAN be caused by childhood trauma, but not always. Sometimes the trauma is later. Sometimes there's a brain injury. Here's an example of more recent work, in which the DID diagnosis is substantiated by physical (neuroanatomical) evidence:


That article is free and complete, I believe.

An even more recent article tries to use that data to further the study of DID, which the authors appear to propose is an extreme form of PTSD (which makes sense, since disassociation is a common defense against trauma, and can be perfectly normal - we all do it, sometimes in response merely to mild negative stimulus). Newer research on DID moves away from the "alter" personae perspective and focuses on the amnesia and the disassociation itself.

Some researchers are starting to talk about biological markers. (In the Hippocampus, which is the Crown of Memory and from my POV, we are just beginning to study it in the sciences). Sociocultural elements are also associated with DID (some studies show a rather strong association).

The part of the trial dealing with her DID may be ground-breaking, although Dr Lewis is hardly the cutting edge expert in this. If I were on the jury (I can't imagine they'd allow me), I'd want to see a brain study. I'd want to see those bio-markers.

IMO.
When I started to Google her a couple of weeks ago I didn't read very much, but do recall seeing that she'd stated that DID was often found in people of high intelligence. It gave me an 'Ah-ha' moment when one of the defence lawyers asked AS "she was very intelligent, right?" . AS answered 'not especially' or wtte. So he scuppered that one.
 
  • #57
This will be of little help in terms of trying to know just what it is that's going on with LS, but I once, briefly, had a girl living 2 doors away from me, who acted, and even spoke in similar ways to LS (but with a UK accent). She was a heavy drug user, and unlike LS she was young and unemployed. She lived there only a matter of a couple of weeks, because almost straight away her male partner was arrested and taken away for drugs offences. She then came around to my house and acted really friendly, innocent, and charming; and told me a ridiculously tall tale about how she'd known nothing about the drugs, and had needed to climb out of an upstairs window and jump 20 feet onto concrete to escape a gang of armed dealers. Then she tried to tap me up for money, and turned into a vicious tongued nightmare when I turned her down.

Before she'd turned nasty I gathered that she was on some strong benzodiazepines that would have had me asleep for a week, and I later saw mental health crisis support type people turning up. This was all many years ago, and she had come and gone from my life in no time. So I've never had cause to think of her at all until LS reminded me of her. It's the non-stop talking, the implausible stories, the attempts to ingratiate, and the total inability to cope when someone doesn't 'cooperate'.

Truthfully - my mind goes to "long term druggie" as well. Precisely the type of people I would never have run into, in my fieldwork, but run into in my neighborhood - and where I teach. SO many of the "tells" that I look forward (to avoid such people) are present in LS. Fast talking. Short memory. Multiple competing memories (is that how the world looks, to a meth head, for example? I think it is). They can have fine IQ's and pass many tests as needed, but tend to age poorly and get really...buggy. That's why I was curious about why Letecia's mind goes so quickly to a variety of criminals lurking around her sedate neighborhood in Colorado Springs. All of your last paragraph is consistent with this, as well.

I don't think that would make a good defense, at all. You make some really thoughtful points. Letecia's chosen benzo is a strong one, as well (Ativan/lorazepam IIRC - she mentions it to Grusing on Friday). But what causes the jittery behavior in the first place? AS seems quite used to it, so I figure it's part of her baseline. Could be something endogenous (her own brain) or it could be something external (drugs).

Every person I know who has abused certain drugs gets the same kind of weird paranoia (it's not generalized, it's always about police and about drug dealers, probably for good reasons).

IIRC. IMO.
 
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Truthfully - my mind goes to "long term druggie" as well. Precisely the type of people I would never have run into, in my fieldwork, but run into in my neighborhood - and where I teach. SO many of the "tells" that I look forward (to avoid such people) are present in LS. Fast talking. Short memory. Multiple competing memories (is that how the world looks, to a meth head, for example? I think it is). They can have fine IQ's and pass many tests as needed, but tend to age poorly and get really...buggy. That's why I was curious about why Letecia's mind goes so quickly to a variety of criminals lurking around her sedate neighborhood in Colorado Springs. All of your last paragraph is consistent with this, as well.

I don't think that would make a good defense, at all. You make some really thoughtful points. Letecia's chosen benzo is a strong one, as well (Ativan/lorazepam IIRC - she mentions it to Grusing on Friday). But what causes the jittery behavior in the first place? AS seems quite used to it, so I figure it's part of her baseline. Could be something endogenous (her own brain) or it could be something external (drugs).

Every person I know who has abused certain drugs gets the same kind of weird paranoia (it's not generalized, it's always about police and about drug dealers, probably for good reasons).

IIRC. IMO.
Yes, it was your specific wonderings about any drug abuse that made me decide to mention this female who seemed to me to share so many personality and behaviour traits with LS. It's all rather strange, as there's been no suggestion of drug abuse with LS. Not yet anyhow.
 
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I think we'd know by now, if she'd purchased any such thing.

I think she went to A store to leave a phone behind so she could travel untracked.

Petco may have had the fewest cars in the parking lot.

I think the purchases were primarily to tamp down looking superspicious to the employees.

Which she looked anyway.

It's those two hours off-grid that disturb me as much as anything.

Jmo
Agree, is anyone on the witness list from PetCo?
 
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Yes, it was your specific wonderings about any drug abuse that made me decide to mention this female who seemed to me to share so many personality and behaviour traits with LS. It's all rather strange, as there's been no suggestion of drug abuse with LS. Not yet anyhow.

I don't think any state in the United States permits drug addiction as part of the insanity defense. If she ever did use drugs, she was clean when the FBI came by to arrest her, IMO. But the longterm damage and the behavioral tells can persist long after the drug use has stopped. Boy, would that be a bombshell though (if she did have drugs in her system upon arrest, besides her prescribed ones). The Defense is going to stay mum about that (subverts the NGRI) and the State might not want any kind of "impairment" mentioned, either. Hard to say. Some jurors have been known to buy the "impairment" idea (not in CO's system, that I know of, though). Well, I can think of one case (involving heroin) where a man was charged with second degree murder instead of first. I would think if there were any actual evidence of recent drug use by Letecia, we'd have heard about it.

So we are still faced with the odd prospect of her acting just like a tweaker (IMO) but...not being one?

IMO.
 
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