CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #62

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  • #101
TY ,Your so go at this!
I did watch it but I do think I should watch it again.
Even though I went over that post about twenty times before I hit post, I just realised I typed 'differentiating postmortem injuries from ones done after death' in that first sentence. *facepalm*

I am very tired, folks, I am going to bed any moment now so that I can be up in time for Monday court.

Please, for 'after' read 'before'.

MOO
 
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Here is a portion of the defense's (ridiculous, imo) opening statement:


COOK: “There is no reason, it doesn’t make sense. It’s insane. Smiling photo, the next day Gannon’s gone. There’s no reason for it.

“She broke on that day ladies and gentleman, she broke from all that was right and made sense.”

Cook: “The person she was killing that day, that wasn’t Gannon to her. She didn’t wake up that day and say i’m going to kill my stepson Gannon Stauch today. No she was killing the demons in her life in the dark depths of her childhood, in her life.”

Cook: "Some people have severe mental health issues but they don’t go out and kill people. They don’t go out and kill 11-year-old boys, they’re stepsons that they had nice hikes with the day before."

Cook: "They don’t stab the stepson dozens of times, they don’t shoot him….beat him, burn him…it’s wrong and it’s horrible and she was not sane. And she will be held accountable."

Cook says if she’s found not guilty by reason of insanity it doesn’t mean she walks out of here. She will go to the state mental hospital.

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He seemed incompetent
 
  • #103
He seemed incompetent

Maybe, but I don't think so. He seems like a guy with absolutely nothing to work with. The facts of this case are...eeeesh. I'm sure he's advised her many, many times to plead, but there's nothing you can do when the client refuses.
 
  • #104
Maybe, but I don't think so. He seems like a guy with absolutely nothing to work with. The facts of this case are...eeeesh. I'm sure he's advised her many, many times to plead, but there's nothing you can do when the client refuses.

By the way, I know there have been references in these threads to the idea of an appeal for ineffective assistance of counsel, but I think some might not realize how incredibly high that bar is. In fact, several US Courts of Appeal have ruled that counsel sleeping during the trial does not constitute ineffective counsel. So I'd put to rest any ideas that LS could have any claim here. They're giving as vigorous a defense as seems possible, and well more than what would be grounds for appeal.
 
  • #105
March 2019


A Colorado Springs food distribution company and at least six local Mexican restaurants are linked to the Sinoloa Cartel and drug lords Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán-Lorea and Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada-Garcia, says a recently released federal complaint providing the first evidence of cartels operating in Colorado Springs.

A cellphone of Jose Aguilar-Martinez, who purported to own the unregistered wholesale distributor El Potosino Foods, had “significant contact” with suspected cocaine distributors in the city and in Pueblo and was linked to Guzmán’s and Zambada’s trafficking, the complaint says.


The six restaurants and El Potosino — which means “the one from San Luis Potosi, Mexico,” an area associated with drug cartels — are accused in a drug-money laundering scheme in the sealed federal complaint filed in November. A 50-page version “sanitized of confidential information” was filed publicly Feb. 22.

[…]

The two seized deposit boxes, tied to Monica’s Taco Shop, contained more than $800,000, the complaint said. Authorities believe a woman accessing the safe-deposit boxes faked pregnancies to make deposits, “carrying the cash inside of a false belly.”

[…]

 
  • #106
Great post @Kingsley! Reminds me of these photos and captions from Oregon's all-female mental hospital in the 70's -- Ward 81.

Thank you for sharing this link. The photos and quotes are extremely poignant. I may actually get the book.
Eta: Scratch that, over 250$ on Amazon. ca ha
 
  • #107
Thank you for sharing this link. The photos and quotes are extremely poignant. I may actually get the book.
Eta: Scratch that, over 250$ on Amazon. ca ha
I've sent the details of the publication to my public library and expect it will be available soon!
 
  • #108
Thank you for sharing this link. The photos and quotes are extremely poignant. I may actually get the book.
Eta: Scratch that, over 250$ on Amazon. ca ha

Curators in Conversation–Mary Ellen Mark: Ward 81​


Join IMC Exhibitions Curator Gaëlle Morel and Guest Curator Kaitlin Booher for a virtual talk focused on Mary Ellen Mark's groundbreaking approach to documentary photography and her seminal project portraying the lives of female mental health patients in the Oregon State Hospital (1976). Presented in conjunction with the exhibition "Mary Ellen Mark: Ward 81," on view through April 1, 2023, at the IMC.

Into is about 3 mins and the presentation starts:

 
  • #109
I've sent the details of the publication to my public library and expect it will be available soon!
I found out it was in an exhibition in Toronto (Not too far from me) until April 1st! But there is a link to buy through the online store still. It is cheaper but still 65$, which end of the semester I cant justify. I'm taking summer classes though so I could add it to my 'book list' hah
ETA: ha we posted at the same time, great minds.
 
  • #110
You are on to something.

Gannon had blunt force trauma to his right front temple IIRC.

T described injuries to Gannon's face that were different than that -- sounds like a busted lip and a broken nose. (She told on herself twice -- once with "you know Gannon always has nosebleeds".) Did T backhand Gannon? Before the rest of the attempts to take his life?

I can hear her telling a child to apologize to her for making her have to hit him.... maybe she gave him the drug because of that injury.

Then invented the fire plan. Gannon would die in the fire, his injury would be disguised by fire damage, maybe she'd singe some of her arm hairs in an attempt to look like she'd tried to save him. And they could be a family, just minus Gannon. But they could talk about him if they wanted to. <<<------ she really thinks like this? :0

But the fire didn't wholly ignite. And it woke Gannon up out of a drugged sleep. Horrifying! I believe his arms, hands and chest were burned. Badly.

At this point, Gannon knew (in my theory) that T had hit him (which surely she made him feel responsible for) but not that she'd set him on fire (made him accept responsibility for the candle)...

Now T is applying aloe and bandaging him up. (She later said it was his cut foot she bandaged but it was more likely his burns she bandaged.)

I wonder if L was able to describe what Gannon wore to bed that night.... and whether LE found those pajamas in the house....

The list of vicious injuries to this little boy keeps growing.

It's beyond comprehension.

Jmo
This is along the lines of what I was thinking when catching up this evening. I think she backhanded him and it was hard, bust his nose and lip, then freaked out that he was going to tell AS. That is as far as I had got in my thinking. It could not of been the bust nose and lip, or even the burns ( I was scolded with boiling tea when I was 3 years old, my own fault. I grabbed the cup, I have also had other minor burns since), I dont think would bleed as much as it seems to of pooled under the bed. Burns dont bleed much as far as my experience goes, they just kind of blister and then ooze.
 
  • #111
I have been in trial withdrawl too *hugs*

I havent been this interested in a trial since the Jodi Arias trial.

I think this one hits close to home because I had a premie (not a micro premie though) and went through all the PTSD that LH and AS went through. Not bringing your baby home, and constantly worried about his health (he was 3 lbs). Visiting the NICU every day. Its something horrible to go through. I dont know Gannons story but I had complete placenta previa and started bleeding, hence an emergency c-section.

So I have a soft spot for LH. She may have fallen into drugs, but shes only human.
This is the first trial I’ve ever followed this closely. Days there isn’t court it feels like I just finished watching my favorite tv series again and don’t know what to watch next.

This case caught my interest because it happened 2 miles from me, my 8 year old was threatening to run away at the time, and my own preemie was born 12 days before Gannon.
 
  • #112
I have often wondered if she took some of Gannon's Adderal or Ritalin (I don't know what he was prescribed)? The defendant said he would not take it sometimes on the weekend. I can totally see her doing that.

MOO

Good point - yes, I can see that too. And so many people have one of those meds in their house, as so many people are diagnosed ADHD. The legitimately diagnosed constitute almost 5% of the population, and people also get online Rx's that are perhaps not formally reported by online pharmacies. And of course, people sell them on the street as well (every once in a while, a pharmacy gets busted).

LS/AS testified Gannon was taking Vyvanse and most recently LS told investigators he'd been taking it since around age 5 and it worked best for him so they kept with it. But since she blames Gannon's bowl problems and accidents on the RX, you have to wonder if it was LS that liked this RX. JMO


Or, having researched the side effects, decided to give him other things to reproduce the side effect.
 
  • #113
You all are on a roll tonight!
 
  • #114
Not necessarily. While it's thought to begin in childhood, the average age at which it's diagnosed is around 30. Sometimes in retrospect a family member will recall something that didn't raise red flags at the time. But that's not always true. And DID is thought to be associated with severe abuse so close family may not be the best reporters.

Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Controversial Diagnosis.

Thank you for putting that so succinctly.

Much obliged.
 
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That's very kind of you.

I don't know how helpful my work has been to them, directly. My work has always had the focus of helping treatment teams better understand what's going on (it's odd how patients speak differently to outsiders/non-staff - I was kind of like a visitor from the patient point of view - they often told me things about staff or other patients and I could keep them anonymous when I met with the staff). I would sit in the TV room, for example, and just chill with the patients. Or I'd just talk to random prisoners in various stages of their inmate experience. Sometimes, the goal was more patient-oriented (toward a particular patient). The psychiatric nurses were my teachers. The psychiatrists were formidable, I never ran into a single one who wasn't doing their best for patients, but it is a very difficult job and almost no one lasts for decades or even a decade, in that context. As a result, in many institutions (whether prison psych wards or state hospitals), care/supervision is provided by people with less than a bachelor's and sometimes with just a GED (often called ward techs or orderlies). The state psych hospital required everyone to do training though.

But I did get "taken in" by various people. I'd become convinced someone wasn't mentally ill enough to be locked up indefinitely (someone who was wanting out). My conviction would usually only last a couple of hours and the psychiatrists taught me a lot about how not to get taken in. They also found some of my efforts quite humorous. It's still amazing to me how powerful the transference can be when one is in the presence of certain mental illnesses.

The rubric for care at most of the places I worked was that there could be only one severely disordered (psychopath; sociopath; severe PD people) per unit, as a baseline. This was considered a step in their treatment (the severely disordered people were still given hope - it's very important that they occasionally try to re-integrate into an environment that isn't just all severely disordered people). However, due to economic constraints, there would often be 4-5 such people in a ward.

Then, there were wards for the severely disabled longterm people (schizophrenic wards turned out to be more predictable and manageable for me, personally). It was very interesting getting to see so many psychotic people come into the intake units at each of these places (I did quite a bit of ER observation as well). One psychiatrist said, "All psychosis looks pretty much alike, at least in the first hours of admitting them: schizophrenics; bipolars; major depresson; drug addicts; schizoaffectives, some Personality Disorders." At the time I did most of my work, there were very few ways of easily telling how to manage treatment in those first hours.

Bottom line is: people can be quite dangerous but appear perfectly normal. The longterm mentally ill are usually incapable of organizing a crime (but can be very impulsive - I actually stopped working in the jails some time ago, due to this issue, it was just too scary sometimes, especially at the intake jail). Working at the jail, btw, was every single person's least desired job within the public agency where they all worked - they all worked diligently to put in enough time and receive good employee reviews, so that they could get the heck out of there. Many of them found jobs elsewhere as well. At the employee entrance to the State Hospital, there was a little museum of weapons taken from patients (often improvised from a gift brought in by a family member - such as a pen or pencil). Sobering. There was a ward for pedophile rapists and another for "regular" serial rapists. Serial killers get sent to the special Medical (Psych) Ward at Vacaville, in CA. I was there only once (but studied under the man who studied Kemperer there). That was not for me.

At any rate, Letecia seems to have been functioning at a moderately high level right before she killed Gannon. She seems to have evaded psychiatric care altogether. That has brought me around to several other theories about this case that are pure speculation (and most of that speculation initially came from members here). Such as: Was Letecia sexually active outside her marriage? Why is there discussion of a threesome? (She acts as if Al would have had knowledge of this - which I doubt - but it's still a peculiar thing to say). Why did she take $8000+ from Al? What did she do with it? Was that the only time money went missing? Did she use street drugs? Why does her mind so rapidly go to Bad Actors/criminals (how often has she told Al that her car was followed?) Does she really have an Ed.D.? Will we ever know? Did she really go to law school (Al seems to doubt it). Was Al about to leave her? Did she get weird every time he left town? Why does she pressure Grusing for "protection" for her mother and siblings? Al seems pretty onto her (that yawn and the other "advertiser censored" behaviors he uses on her really got to her. That part is just regular narcissism. But a spiraling, malignant narcissism is something else to watch. I wonder what her real triggers were that weekend.

I am keeping in mind that almost all of this, if any of it is relevant, had to have happened outside of HH's knowledge. Neither HH nor AS seem to treat LS as if she's insane, which I find notable. AS speaks to her as he always has, apparently, as if she's perfectly sane or at least capable of understanding exactly what she says. He acts as if they both know she's lying, she tries to bribe him to say otherwise. She's used to turning her intimate relationships into this kind of...messed up attempt to manipulate. Probably applies to every relationship in her world and everyone has enabled her in some way (out of fear, most likely).

Sorry for the long Sunday post. I'm just catching up.

SPECULATION and opinion above.
Your post really got my brain cells to wake up (Two finals in the past three days), She claims to have anxiety. I was diagnosed with GAD (general anxiety disorder) many moons ago, as I had been absolutely sure my partner at the time was cheating on me (Bleach blond hairs in our bed after I had been away and I had/have very dark brown hair which I have never bleached, Makeup smudges on underwear and I don't wear makeup, plus so much more) which he furiously denied, and I gave an ultimatum: Either you have cheated, or I have mental health problems and need to see a doctor. He said as charmingly as possible, you need to see a doctor. So I did, and he came and told that doctor that I was paranoid and he loved me and wanted me to get better. 18 months of olanzapine (Zyprexa) later, he admits it; he admits them ALL. Needless to say, this was when I was a lot younger. I do have anxiety, and if a gaslighting narcissistic can fool me, it can get worse, but that hasn't happened since.
The point is, I do think she had anxiety, and after the first attack, she started to spiral in her anxiety, people following her, covering up etc. This does not make her insane, it makes her anxious and a good chunk of a percentage of people in this world are anxious and not insane.
 
  • #117
By the way, I know there have been references in these threads to the idea of an appeal for ineffective assistance of counsel, but I think some might not realize how incredibly high that bar is. In fact, several US Courts of Appeal have ruled that counsel sleeping during the trial does not constitute ineffective counsel. So I'd put to rest any ideas that LS could have any claim here. They're giving as vigorous a defense as seems possible, and well more than what would be grounds for appeal.

I am not really worried about her having a claim. I just dislike that she might find some random lawyer who will take on several of her claims and instead of being quashed immediately at the state level, she will be gleefully spending all our resources on her...stuff.

I want her to be shut down. Put in prison, etc. I hope all her claims are smashed down by local and state authorities and that she has to stand in line for some lawyer to (maybe) take it further.

I hope (obviously an opinion).
 
  • #118
Your post really got my brain cells to wake up (Two finals in the past three days), She claims to have anxiety. I was diagnosed with GAD (general anxiety disorder) many moons ago, as I had been absolutely sure my partner at the time was cheating on me (Bleach blond hairs in our bed after I had been away and I had/have very dark brown hair which I have never bleached, Makeup smudges on underwear and I don't wear makeup, plus so much more) which he furiously denied, and I gave an ultimatum: Either you have cheated, or I have mental health problems and need to see a doctor. He said as charmingly as possible, you need to see a doctor. So I did, and he came and told that doctor that I was paranoid and he loved me and wanted me to get better. 18 months of olanzapine (Zyprexa) later, he admits it; he admits them ALL. Needless to say, this was when I was a lot younger. I do have anxiety, and if a gaslighting narcissistic can fool me, it can get worse, but that hasn't happened since.
The point is, I do think she had anxiety, and after the first attack, she started to spiral in her anxiety, people following her, covering up etc. This does not make her insane, it makes her anxious and a good chunk of a percentage of people in this world are anxious and not insane.

You dear person. You were gaslighted (by someone who is a lot like Letecia Stauch, IMO). She has more than anxiety, IMO. When we are younger, we do see things differently (a topic I'm very interested in). Most of us have been taken in by a gaslighting narcissist at one time or another (IMO, that justifies some of my social anxiety).

I do think Letecia had anxiety, as you do. She might not have known all the bad things she was capable of, but she knew she was capable of bad things (justified anxiety, IMO - not like yours, which is why it's a disorder). Anxiety can be our best friend. And anxiety is definitely related to paranoia. It's a complex set of things, but so far (legally), the US hasn't allowed anxiety as an insanity defense. Can you imagine?

IMO.
 
  • #119
You never sound snarky!

Thank you so much. One or more of them will testify about her MMPI results. I am beyond excited about that - because I believe the State said in their opening (or at some point) that she could be a malingerer (which is what I think she is). That's yet another reason why I think she'll pull out even more batty behaviors once she's permanently behind bars. Malingering is the opposite of being "mentally ill," and it will give the jury a very close focus on why Letecia is the way she is. She's used to playing a victim card (malingering). OTOH, Letecia has shown significant cognitive difficulty in those phone calls, with both AS and Grusing. I think it's the panicked behavior of someone who has no clue how she totally lost control and killed someone, but was prepared to kill someone and had thought about consequences, both before and after. As her "plan" unravels, she gets sloppy (but to me, that panicked unraveling would be enough to bring on a psychotic break for some people - or cause severe disassociation in others). I see no signs of either. Limited, stupid planning, yes - but still planning, and her affect is not all over the place - it's just consistently inappropriate and she is exceedingly self-interested.


I hope the psychologists try to establish that malignant narcissism is not a form of insanity, but a playbook for people who are selfish. Narcissistic PD is so widespread, we can't use it as a benchmark for insanity!

IMO.
RBBM
Referring to the bolded, I have a friend who is NPD and is a very successful corporate lawyer and has been for many years. She is and never was insane, just very difficult to deal with although maturity has almost controlled it (personally I think she saves it for her cases)
 
  • #120
This will be of little help in terms of trying to know just what it is that's going on with LS, but I once, briefly, had a girl living 2 doors away from me, who acted, and even spoke in similar ways to LS (but with a UK accent). She was a heavy drug user, and unlike LS she was young and unemployed. She lived there only a matter of a couple of weeks, because almost straight away her male partner was arrested and taken away for drugs offences. She then came around to my house and acted really friendly, innocent, and charming; and told me a ridiculously tall tale about how she'd known nothing about the drugs, and had needed to climb out of an upstairs window and jump 20 feet onto concrete to escape a gang of armed dealers. Then she tried to tap me up for money, and turned into a vicious tongued nightmare when I turned her down.

Before she'd turned nasty I gathered that she was on some strong benzodiazepines that would have had me asleep for a week, and I later saw mental health crisis support type people turning up. This was all many years ago, and she had come and gone from my life in no time. So I've never had cause to think of her at all until LS reminded me of her. It's the non-stop talking, the implausible stories, the attempts to ingratiate, and the total inability to cope when someone doesn't 'cooperate'.
I've known many of this type in UK and Canada. It's sad really because they fly under the radar, some people in their path in life, want to help and try so hard to help but its ignored and they just drain the person, until that person gives up. Been there, done that, sold the tshirt on ebay in 1999
 
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