CO - James Holmes Trial Discussion - Begins April 27, 2015 #10

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Dr. Jeffrey Metzner said gunman's condition was not related to substance abuse




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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 8s8 seconds ago
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King reading from DSM5 which can be helpful in deterring if one has mental disease/defect @ time of crime.

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 4s4 seconds ago
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King - Disease can be important in determining thought process @ time of crime.

Dr - not always.

 

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 20s21 seconds ago
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Dr- dig of schizophrenia doesn’t mean you were psychotic at any particular time.

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 57s58 seconds ago
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King: When determining capacity, the best we can do is logically infer what may have been the thought process @ time

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 39s40 seconds ago
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Dr - Inference is based on info gathered not diagnosis alone

 

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 20s20 seconds ago
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Schizophrenia diagnosis criteria

A: Psychotic symptoms (2 or more during 1 mo. period)
JH met this according to Dr

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 8s8 seconds ago
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JH experienced symptoms of psychosis also.

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 15s16 seconds ago
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Human capital is a delusion. JH spoke of this extensively

 

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 52s52 seconds ago
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Schizophrenia
Criteria B:
- Functional impairment: Prior to onset of psychosis (personal rel, self care, work)

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 33s33 seconds ago
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JH had significant levels of function:

-Work
-Personal relationships.

 

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 42s42 seconds ago
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Breakup with Gargi - didn’t cause shooting. It could have been a trigger.

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 14s14 seconds ago
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Academic failure didn’t cause shooting. Trigger for psychosis (incl. break up)

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 10s10 seconds ago
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Triggers:

JH had chronic homicidal thinking for years. Dr wanted to know why act on them now. Why develop delusions

 

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 40s40 seconds ago
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Possible - nothing to do w. triggers. Onset of schizophrenia is in 20’s.

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 39s40 seconds ago
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Could have been natural progress of schizophrenia. JH had genetic predisposition. Stress can be a trigger

 

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
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Natural course is often the onset of psychosis aspect is when young men hit their early 20’s.


Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 2m2 minutes ago
Breakup with girlfriend was one trigger for psychosis, but not THE trigger. "He had chronic homicidal thinking for years." #theatershooting

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 1m1 minute ago
Metzger said the psychosis also might have had nothing to do with the breakup. Might have happened anyway. #theatershooting

 

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 54s54 seconds ago
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JH “genetically loaded” for mental illness.

Paternal sister has schizoaffective dis.

Mat. Grandfather - psychotic ill.

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 44s44 seconds ago
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Paternal grandfather - psychotic illness.

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 54s54 seconds ago
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Genetic history not a guarantee you’ll get it but you are more likely than average person.

 

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 11s11 seconds ago
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C: 1 month of symptoms from criteria A with residual or prodromal symptoms.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Are they not back yet?? IF not..I wonder if Judge will let her go as a juror..not for any misconduct..but health reasons...Poor soul!!

Suppose to be back almost 40 minutes ago?? I don;t think this judge will allow the loss of 2 hours of testimony?? May be wrong..especially is she is NOT an alternate ( only he and the court knows who is and isn't alternates...)

Yikes..forgot to hit "Live" on my feed ...:facepalm::blushing:

 

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
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C: You have to have active symptoms untreated for @ let 1 mo. (Delusion & neg. symptoms) 6 mo of pre-psychotic symptoms

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 53s53 seconds ago
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Ex. of negatives symptoms - JH at U of Iowa - on paper, a sure thing to get in. In person, he was bizarre - didn’t get in

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 45s45 seconds ago
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King going over specifics with JH - lack of motivation, not social.

 

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
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Studying for prelims - he didn’t study for them. Out of ordinary b/c he previously had studied hard to get good grades

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 30s31 seconds ago
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Dr says JH psychotic apparent during G-Chat with Gargi.

 

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Dr. Jeffrey Metzner: The first sign that Mr. Holmes had become psychotic was during his phone chat with his girlfriend


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[Maisiebelle]

Thank you for the tweets imjazzed. I don't like listening live to the psych stuff


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[Maisiebelle]

I'm not even sure where the defence are going with this.


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Thank you for the tweets imjazzed. I don't like listening live to the psych stuff


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You're Very Welcome Maisie.. Not very many tweets suddenly.

 

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Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 2m2 minutes ago
King prompting Metzner to say that some of those who are psychotic are still capable of making detailed plans. #theatershooting

 

[Maisiebelle]

The DA looks bored .....


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Jeffrey Evan Gold ‏@jeffgoldesq · 1m1 minute ago
Def Atty King trying to emphasize the psychotic thinking of JH but Metzner says his planning was not psychotic in #theatershooting, ie sane.