CO - James Holmes Trial Discussion - Begins April 27, 2015 #17

[zoey]

Jeffrey Evan Gold ‏@jeffgoldesq · 4m4 minutes ago
@xxxxxxxxxxx Thx. Hearings in #TheaterShooting today at http://TheGoldPatrol.com at 11:00amET. No jury today. Closings tomorrow 11:00amET

 

[MissHaley]

anyone think Spengler & Higgs, not only look alike but their voices also sound alike - even, in their speaking & umms & hesitations & sputtering? MOO

 

[zoey]

I posted what I thought was a text or email alert that Denver Channel 7 was promoting. I thought it was the 'verdict watch' texts that came out before previous trials. When looking, it is the App for their channel! I don't want that because that will be all news items. Sorry.
If anyone knows of a text alert for the trial, please post.

WHAT???? You made a mistake....shameful :blushing:---think we all have done that one! I don't blame you for posting it-think we all are looking for something to cue us in....Like I keep suggesting--I want a quickie

 

[MissHaley]

Listening to their recorded arguments. Judge said, he can be found guilty on some counts & also not guilty of some-BUT, they cannot find him guilty of some counts & not guilty by insanity on others.
So, they can have mixed but not mixed with NGRI.
Is that what you guys understand?

 

[zoey]

anyone have anyting? Are they streaming today?

 

[zoey]

anyone think Spengler & Higgs, not only look alike but their voices also sound alike - even, in their speaking & umms & hesitations & sputtering? MOO

I could see Spengler at times announcing something---just the way she always objected 401 etc.... But yes I agree with you (I'm talking script)

 

[zoey]

KDVR FOX31 Denver ‏@KDVR · 55s55 seconds ago
WATCH LIVE: Jury instructions to be finalized in Day 48 of Aurora #theatershooting trial http://link.kdvr.com/1GhmmOW

 

[zoey]

seconds ago

Judge Samour says he's distributed the latest draft of the instructions/forms prosecution goes first, and also potentially last. prosecution will have a chance to save time for rebuttal Phil Tenser

 

[zoey]

Rick Sallinger ‏@ricksallinger · 3m3 minutes ago
Defendant in court, but no #theatershooting jury as attorneys go over jury instructions

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 3m3 minutes ago
Judge and attorneys are back in the #theatershooting courtroom. No jurors today. Discussing jury instructions before closings on Tuesday

 

[zoey]

3 minutes ago

Today, around the hearing and afterward, we'll have chances to update our timeline and highlights of the trial. If you have suggestions, tweet me @pstenser or let me know here PS. I've checked the document library and there is not a public copy of this draft.. only a notice of how it is being labeled in the court Phil Tenser

 

[zoey]

7NEWS Denver Channel ‏@DenverChannel · 4m4 minutes ago
#TheaterShooting hearing will get court ready for closing arguments tomorrow. Watch live: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/aurora-movie-theater-shooting/trial-live

Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 3m3 minutes ago
#TheaterShooting trial in session 2 finalize jury instructions. No @GeorgeBrauchler. No Dan King. Both likely prepping 4 closings tomorrow

 

[Maisiebelle]

Hellooo! Sorry I'm late. My little guy was up being sick through the night. I'm one tired mama!


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[zoey]

Now discussing when/where in the instructions to define culpable mental state Next is the sanity instruction Samour says 7 minutes ago

"prosecution must disprove beyond a reasonable doubt both of the above..." That references in the insanity prongs of culpable mental state or knowing right from wrong The basis for these instructions that are being discussed is here: www.courts.state.co.us Teams of attorneys will be in the courtroom for months, trying to prove their points about James Holmes 2 minutes ago

Judge makes a record that defense is asking for instruction about commitment procedures. Last time we discussed this, they were asking for a much longer version. Judge says the reason this is allowed is to explain what happens in the event of an NGRI finding Phil Tenser

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 11m11 minutes ago
"His day of reckoning is yet to come." Ashley Moser's aunt on the #theatershooting defendant. http://dpo.st/1HT8ZK4

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 7m7 minutes ago
Lots of empty seats in the #theatershooting courtroom today. Will be packed tomorrow.

Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 6m6 minutes ago
#theatershooting Trial, Judge and attys will be in court today at 11am EDT. #StevenPowell trial back at 12:00 EDT

 

[zoey]

Hellooo! Sorry I'm late. My little guy was up being sick through the night. I'm one tired mama!


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AWWW that's to bad! Hope he does better! Hate sick kiddos!!!! You are excused..:loveyou:

 

[Maisiebelle]

Thanks Zoey. He's demanding food now! Must be feeling better


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[zoey]

a minute ago

Rhetorical question from the judge: How much detail is appropriate? Judge says the goal is a "brief description" and he's only making minor changes to language few seconds ago

Judge says this language is the test for release if the defendant is committed due to an NGRI finding: "The defendant has no abnormal mental condition that would likely cause him to be dangerous to himself or others or the community in the foreseeable future..." Phil Tenser

 

[zoey]

Thanks Zoey. He's demanding food now! Must be feeling better


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Always a good sign!!!!!

 

[zoey]

I've always had a dream that the defense would be neighbors with the clients that they defend--they always want to release them and I certainly do not want them living in my neck of the woods....

 

[Maisiebelle]

a minute ago

Rhetorical question from the judge: How much detail is appropriate? Judge says the goal is a "brief description" and he's only making minor changes to language few seconds ago

Judge says this language is the test for release if the defendant is committed due to an NGRI finding: "The defendant has no abnormal mental condition that would likely cause him to be dangerous to himself or others or the community in the foreseeable future..." Phil Tenser

This release criteria bothers me. If JH takes his medication correctly he will likely behave in a 'normal' manner. If he was released and decided to stop taking his meds he might become dangerous again. Who will monitor him once he leaves hospital if he gets NGRI?


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[zoey]

That is correct. CMHIP is the most likely place he'd go... but that isn't guaranteed. The state would have the option to send him to another hospital if they think it would be better, but CHMIP is a very big and well-prepared institution That is correct. CMHIP is the most likely place he'd go... but that isn't guaranteed. The state would have the option to send him to another hospital if they think it would be better, but CHMIP is a very big and well-prepared institution @xxxx: I can't say I've ever been inside, but I've driven through and around the campus. It appears to have both hospital buildings and others that look more like a jail with fences and security and such. It is a very huge campus Phil Tenser