CO - James Holmes Trial Discussion - Begins April 27, 2015 #17

[Maisiebelle]

And I think little Miss Maisie suggested last week that perhaps she should eat it....(someone said it and I totally agree)

I think we were talking about chocolate making her feel happy and I suggested carbs (chip) lol


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[zoey]

I think we were talking about chocolate making her feel happy and I suggested carbs (chip) lol


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same thing....:laughing:

 

[Jinkasaurus]

No prob understanding you. I found this - http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/the-insanity-defense-among-the-states.html

It lists what each state uses.

Thank you. I have a friend whose daughter just got a job as a public defender, and we were discussing this case, and I was having a hard time explaining this issue.

 

[zoey]

a minute ago

Judge Samour now discussing definitions of "universal malice"... defense asking not to give any related instructions and people are also not seeking it be read a few seconds ago
Alternates won't be allowed to discuss case or communicate with anyone else Phil Tenser
Judge says he wants to hang list of 10 admonishments for the alternate jurors who will be waiting in another room while the voting jurors deliberate Phil Tenser

 

[zoey]

Just watching Ms. Nelson and you know she is going to complain about this...she doesn't appear happy

 

[zoey]

I'm not sure, but our experts have said they expect several days of deliberation Phil Tenser
a few seconds ago

Judge now clarifying records and caselaw he referenced in past decisions Phil Tenser

 

[Maisiebelle]

I wonder how long the jury will deliberate. Anyone care to hazard a guess?

I think we will have a verdict by Friday.


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[MissHaley]

I wonder how long the jury will deliberate. Anyone care to hazard a guess?

I think we will have a verdict by Friday.



























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I think early next week! Would be fitting for Monday, July 20!

 

[zoey]

Bench conference about jury list ended. Judge saying we'll next hear discussion about penalty phase instructions
a few seconds ago

Judge Samour asking if defense has had opportunity to read forms and instructions Phil Tenser

 

[zoey]

Debate here is over semantics. Would "this court" imply that only this one judge could have decision making power in the future? Judge says he will change the first reference to "this court Phil Tenser

 

[Maisiebelle]

I don't understand why Nelson wants to change everything.


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[zoey]

a minute ago

Next, defense asks court to consider adding the paragraphs about burden of proof and language about the terms and condition of release in the event of a future release following an NGRI finding. Judge denied this before Prosecution says they believed the defense statement was inaccurate and also too long. Judge agreed Request denied, again

Next, defense wants to discuss "theory of defense" instruction Phil Tenser



Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 8m8 minutes ago
Pity the alternate jurors in #theatershooting trial. They can't discuss the case, but must report to courthouse every day and sit in a room

 

[zoey]

I don't understand why Nelson wants to change everything.


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I'm over her and her arguments....

 

[Maisiebelle]

I'm over her and her arguments....

Me too. She is getting on my nerves. Wants to call him by name instead of 'the defendant'. Shut up silly woman!


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[zoey]

Orman objects to defense version because it sounds like it is a statement from the defendant. Judge agrees Phil Tenser

Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 2m2 minutes ago
#TheaterShooting instruction 2 include 1st mea culpa 2 jury: Holmes acknowledges shooting/planning but asserts he objeyed psychotic delusion

a few seconds ago

Defense wants to insert an assertion that planning does not have bearing on insanity. Orman says prosecution objects to it as argumentative. Judge agrees Phil Tenser

 

[MissHaley]

Listen to the changes that Nelson wants to make in jury instructions!!!! Still arguing their points, trying to subtly get their theory in instructions.

 

[MsJosie]

I think we were talking about chocolate making her feel happy and I suggested carbs (chip) lol


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I keep reading this as crabs...I need to enlarge my screen print again....so sorry!

 

[MsJosie]

I don't understand why Nelson wants to change everything.


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Just so she can have 'points' that she 'won' some issues. Showing she 'knows' the law better then anyone....and we can make a list...

 

[Maisiebelle]

I keep reading this as crabs...I need to enlarge my screen print again....so sorry!

I think crabs would be protein? Lol!!


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[zoey]

This is like listening to the grammar police with worrying about periods, semi colons etc....