CO - James Holmes Trial - *Penalty Phase* #4 - LWOP

[LyndyLoo]

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman 10m10 minutes ago Longmont, CO
Judge and attorneys are discussing the final instructions for the Aurora #theatershooting jurors. Jury is due back at 1 p.m. Thursday

 

[Maisiebelle]

I bet the shooter doesn't think jail is so bad. He gets to sit on his own, reading his books and looking at his ladies with their boozums hanging out. Prison will be different won't it? All the big bad scary men are there and they won't take kindly to a child killer. There are limits, even for bad people. They don't like people who kill children.


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[borndem]

I wish I could see how JH is tethered to the floor. Has anyone seen it?

No -- I'm thinking there is a CO statute that says the defendant must not be seen wearing prison clothing, handcuffs, restraints, etc., etc. There are similar statutes in many other states.

That's why he is already there when we "get into the courtroom." LE has brought him in, in handcuffs, whatever, and they are removed before anyone is allowed into the courtroom -- and same for when he is escorted out of the courtroom.

I would like to see how it's rigged-up as well.

IIRC, CJA wore some type of "corset" or belt that would deliver a shock, controlled remotely, if she tried to leave the courtroom without permission, etc. I would have really like to have seen that!

 

[MissHaley]

yes, the current governor won't endorse, a future one might.

 

[MissHaley]

I bet the shooter doesn't think jail is so bad. He gets to sit on his own, reading his books and looking at his ladies with their boozums hanging out. Prison will be different won't it? All the big bad scary men are there and they won't take kindly to a child killer. There are limits, even for bad people. They don't like people who kill children.


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Well, that's the thing. Eventually, LWOP gets to earn 'privileges' in time. Even if their in solitary, they can still get privileges. On death row, it's solitary, all the time, with very limited privileges.

 

[MsJosie]

I think Nelson is 'in training' for going over all the instructions. She always has to 'refer' to another lawyer.

The State Lawyer make decisions on his own.

I am not sure how long a lawyer has to 'work under' another lawyer to be consider a DP, or specialist in an area for court.

IMO, lawyers and others who do public speaking, should go to a class or classes where they are taught how to make presentations and speak...the ums, ohs, stuttering, voice inflections reveal to me that the person is unsure of themselves. Not saying Nelson is, just what I have observed through all the trials. JMO

 

[MissHaley]

LOL! anyone still paying attention to nelson? she wanted to go against the supreme court rule-that in this phase she wanted in to the jury that the prosecution has the burden of proof! She wanted them to put it in, even though that is not true!! LOL

 

[Chelly]

LOL! anyone still paying attention to nelson? she wanted to go against the supreme court rule-that in this phase she wanted in to the jury that the prosecution has the burden of proof! She wanted them to put it in, even though that is not true!! LOL

?????

 

[Juststonelegal]

LOL! anyone still paying attention to nelson? she wanted to go against the supreme court rule-that in this phase she wanted in to the jury that the prosecution has the burden of proof! She wanted them to put it in, even though that is not true!! LOL

And then nitpicked about an unnecessary colon in the instructions!

 

[MsJosie]

LOL! anyone still paying attention to nelson? she wanted to go against the supreme court rule-that in this phase she wanted in to the jury that the prosecution has the burden of proof! She wanted them to put it in, even though that is not true!! LOL

I keep turning the sound off and on to see 'where' the Court is in this discussion. I can only take so much.

 

[MissHaley]

Nelson is really trying to 'fix' the instructions in a way so that a juror may think they don't have to deliberate!!! That's what happened in the jury with arias- that one juror stopped deliberating early on...Judge explained it well. Last phase, Nelson didn't even want the word 'deliberate' in. Tricky.

 

[MissHaley]

?????

supreme court & Co. law- no party has the burden of proof in this phase. She objected & wanted the instructions to say that the pros. have the burden of proof. Judge- you may not like it but, I have to follow the law.

 

[MsJosie]

Wow, someone is getting very upset and wants it her way. Very rude to the Judge.

 

[MsJosie]

Does anyone know, in the State of Colorado, where can a layperson go to look to see what cases lawyers have won or not won. Like in this case to get LWOP would be a win for the defense, so where would it be on a lawyers info?

I know some lawyers "post'' it on their Web page, but these lawyers are not all in private practice.

Thanks.

 

[MissHaley]

Wow, someone is getting very upset and wants it her way. Very rude to the Judge.

yep, Higgs had to step in for Nelson.

 

[MsJosie]

yep, Higgs had to step in for Nelson.

Which leads me to believe Nelson "is in training". Higgs gets so upset.

 

[Maisiebelle]

yep, Higgs had to step in for Nelson.

Higgs has puts on a weird voice when she is speaking to the court. She speaks differently when she is questioning a witness.


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[MissHaley]

Judge is so wise. He is taking a lot of time 'teaching' defense on law.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Higgs has puts on a weird voice when she is speaking to the court. She speaks differently when she is questioning a witness.


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Ohhh You mean Happy gleeful exuberant Higgs? Ms. Perky who loves to dwell on her client's family recollections about their murdering friend..teachers, family??? That one??? LOL sorry..just couldn't resist...

Difference really she has to approach the JUDGE far differently..I'm picturing now with her perky, giggling persona back in Mitigations State(Phase) ..ROFLMBO

 

[LyndyLoo]

Judge is so wise. He is taking a lot of time 'teaching' defense on law.

I agree 100%..Judge Saymour is very wise and mostly even tempered..BUT he does KNOW the law and does his homework! Unlike Arizona's Judge...:scared:

I find it incredible that he is a newbie to DP case..It's like he's been doing this for decades!! At least that is my impression!! :loveyou: