CO - James Holmes Trial - *Penalty Phase* #4 - LWOP

[Maisiebelle]

Don't they ask that if the case, they could sentence someone to death?


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I posted an article a page or so back with the criteria on becoming a death penalty qualified juror. It seems the one juror who held out believed his mental health issues should stop him getting the DP.


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[Amster]

@JeremyHubbard: "I don't think there's any doubt (the shooter) got what he wanted." -DA Brauchler @KDVR #FOX31 #theatershooting http://t.co/ZjVIZKKo41

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Yep....great acting skills and a stealth juror....got Jimmy just what he wanted. Bet he allows mom, dad, and sis to visit, now! Shooter must be smirking, big time, tonight!

 

[Maisiebelle]

@abuvthefold: Juror 17 said being on jury of #theatershooting was a "life-changing" experience. Autopsy photos were hardest part of trial, she said.
@abuvthefold: Talked with Juror 17, wouldn't give name. She said a woman was a hold-out on death and it was clear she wouldn't be swayed #theatershooting

@abuvthefold: Juror 17 said there were 2 other jurors wavering on death. Said they watched crime scene vid again this am 2 see if it would change calculus

www.twitter.com/abuvthefold



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[cece5300]

Something needs to be done about the jury system. Stealth jurors can't be allowed to get away with this. Something needs to change

 

[Whiteorchids]

Yep....great acting skills and a stealth juror....got Jimmy just what he wanted. Bet he allows mom, dad, and sis to visit, now! Shooter must be smirking, big time, tonight!

I'm sure Bob, Arleen. And Chris are going to do quite a bit of celebrating. It's not their fault at least they got some happiness. I still don't think it's fair 35 testified on behalf of Jimmy's life but victims family only got one each except Veronicas Grandpa and DT didn't even want that.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Something needs to be done about the jury system. Stealth jurors can't be allowed to get away with this. Something needs to change

It's all the pro life people and it would be very difficult to weed them out unless maybe through a thorough background check.

 

[Maisiebelle]

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting For now, 10 of the 12 deliberating jurors say they will NOT talk to media. 640, 155, 527, 329, 737, 535, 87, 378, 557, 311

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting We know 17 just spoke. That leaves juror #118 who MAY talk to media about her experience.

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[Whiteorchids]

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting For now, 10 of the 12 deliberating jurors say they will NOT talk to media. 640, 155, 527, 329, 737, 535, 87, 378, 557, 311

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting We know 17 just spoke. That leaves juror #118 who MAY talk to media about her experience.

www.twitter.com/thegoldpatrol


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They will later except maybe the holdouts.

 

[Whiteorchids]

U.S. Should get rid of the DP completely since most states don't exercise it anyway. It costs so much money much more than housing a lifer unless they didn't have all the expensive automatic appeals. Most countries don't have the DP.

 

[borndem]

What matters is that he is convicted.

Yes, and he cannot do this again. I hope he will just fade into the woodwork and we'll never hear his name again. There's a lot of angry people out there who were looking for the DP as many of us were. And I still wonder if JH gives a damm either way.

 

[borndem]

What matters is that he is convicted.

Yes, and he cannot do this again. I hope he will just fade into the woodwork and we'll never hear his name again. There's a lot of angry people out there who were looking for the DP as many of us were. And I'll bet that JH doesn't give a damm either way.

 

[Amster]

They were both severely mentally ill. In the past they would have been found not guilty by reason of insanity, and committed to a mental institution. Now they are sentenced to LWOP. A substantial number of Americans are not comfortable with executing mentally ill people.

Then why hold him responsible at all? They found him guilty of 1st degree pre med murder! Why? If he's sooooooo mentally ill....why? They could have found him insane. They didn't.

Someone on the jury was squishy on the DP. Oh well....Jimmy got what he wanted. The night of the murders and today.

 

[Amster]

U.S. Should get rid of the DP completely since most states don't exercise it anyway. It costs so much money much more than housing a lifer unless they didn't have all the expensive automatic appeals. Most countries don't have the DP.

Texas will keep the DP. We do just fine with it. Don't mess with Texas!

 

[Whiteorchids]

Yes, and he cannot do this again. I hope he will just fade into the woodwork and we'll never hear his name again. There's a lot of angry people out there who were looking for the DP as many of us were. And I still wonder if JH gives a damm either way.

Sure we will. Documentaries, books, dateline specials, interviews for news specials.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Then why hold him responsible at all? They found him guilty of 1st degree pre med murder! Why? If he's sooooooo mentally ill....why? They could have found him insane. They didn't.

Someone on the jury was squishy on the DP. Oh well....Jimmy got what he wanted. The night of the murders and today.

I don't think you got my point. My point was I don't think he was severely as mentally ill as claimed. Most severely MI are on disability because it's difficult for them to function.

My son has suffered 12 years from schizo-affective disorder with psychotic features which is can be worse than schizophrenia. If I compare JH symptoms to my son. JH comes across as much more normal.

Oops sorry wrong quote. Lol

 

[colette]

During a newscast one reporter said that a juror smiled at Holmes' parents as the verdict was read. Probably our stealth juror.

 

[KaaBoom]

One would think if he did this in the throes of a mental break upon stabilization he would feel awful for what he had done and would want to apologize.

Totally incorrect. Many mental illnesses make it impossible for an individual to feel any remorse. In which case they would not want to, or even be able to apologize. Example:

Antisocial Personality Disorder

People with antisocial personality disorder characteristically act out their conflicts and ignore normal rules of social behavior. These individuals are impulsive, irresponsible, and callous. Typically, the antisocial personality has a history of legal difficulties, belligerent and irresponsible behavior, aggressive and even violent relationships. They show no respect for other people and feel no remorse about the effects of their behavior on others. These people ware at high risk for substance abuse, especially alcoholism, since it helps them to relieve tension, irritability and boredom.

Personality Disorder

 

[jjenny]

Then why hold him responsible at all? They found him guilty of 1st degree pre med murder! Why? If he's sooooooo mentally ill....why? They could have found him insane. They didn't.

Someone on the jury was squishy on the DP. Oh well....Jimmy got what he wanted. The night of the murders and today.

One can be mentally ill but not legally insane.

 

[luvmygarden]

We have to remember that the shooter was found guilty. He didn't get off with NGRI. That would have been so much worse. He will never hurt another innocent person again.


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We know that for a fact, he is a coward and unless he can find riot gear in prison and can protect himself from his head
down to his finger tips and toes
Prison inmates are safe, Somewhat.
I hope his hate for mankind eats him alive. I view JH as a spoiled child who wants it all his way or he will wreck havoc.
His parents probably catered to him to keep him from tantrums. Prison staff will not bribe him with TACO BELL that's for sure..

I do feel so bad for the Families and victims of his wrath. Their lives will never be the same.
LWOP is good but I feel he deserved the DP.

THANKS everyone for posting tweets. I appreciate everyone's contribution that made those of us who couldn't always
Watch feel informed.

 

[jjenny]

The gist of the reply above is that you are supposed to be open-minded and willing to consider the death penalty, not that you have to be "pro-DP" per se.

When a DP is not rendered, if it ends up 11-1 you don't know (unless one of the jurors goes public) whether:
a) Someone lied to the judge about being open-minded. (That's a stealth juror).
b) Someone was truthful but found something they felt was of high enough mitigation value to prevent them from choosing DP. (Honest difference of opinion.)
c) (between the two ends above) Someone thought they could vote for it and thinks the defendant probably deserves it, but just couldn't bring him/herself to be the deciding vote when the time came. (I wouldn't call that a stealth juror.)

Yes, I agree. If somebody is set against death penalty, they would have to lie during jury selection process to get on this case.