CO - James Holmes Trial - *Penalty Phase*

[zoey]

Ann O'Neill ‏@AnnoCNN · 47s48 seconds ago
Verdict coming on aggro factors vs #JamesHolmes in sentencing phase of #theatershooting trial. Likely more TK

 

[ahotch2]

Hi ahotch2. With all due respect I disagree that he was not "rational", in fact at the most basic and fundamental levels of cognition, I think he was hyper rational about the mass murder he planned and brought to completion.

It is my belief that the problem was that he had a significant mood disturbance and disrupted problem solving (generally referred to as mental illness). But as to the question of whether he intended to kill children--OF COURSE HE DID!! That fact, in my humble estimation, is irrefutable. By his own words he set out to kill as many people as he could that night, and children are people.

In fact, he clearly knew that he could kill children as evidenced by him asking specifically if any children were hurt/killed. It is absolutely irrelevant that he expresses regret that a child was killed or that he says he didn't want to/was hoping not to kill children. He knew damn good and well that children were more than likely going to be in the theater that night but did exactly as he wanted anyway. Also, none of us know how he defines what "children" are but I would bet my house that he knew teenagers would be watching the midnight premiere of Batman FGS--are they any less children? Hell no!

He didn't give one rat's a$$ about anyone but himself. His intent was to protect himself from pain, suffering and death while carrying out mass murder of innocent people with cruel difference, willful intent and maximum effect.

I think he was rational on some things and not on others. I think Dr Reid illustrated this. Obviously the 1 kill = 1 point of self worth is certainly not rational. I believe he intended to kill as many people as possible but minimizing the number of children. But the fact that children were going to die wasn't ever going to stop him.


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[LyndyLoo]

These are the 5 aggravators ..Obviously the only holdup was #2
1-Multiple vics
2-Killing child<12
3-Risk of death to other ppl
4-Heinous manner
5-Ambush

 

[Chelly]

They have a verdict now!! Finally !!!

Yippe! I could use a nap after they announce.!

 

[zoey]

Cathy &#8207;@courtchatter · 1m1 minute ago
Phase 1 verdict in #theatershooting trial can be watched here http://www.courtchatter.com/#!james-holmes-trial-stream-1/cmus &#8230;

Larry Ryckman &#8207;@larryryckman · 1m1 minute ago
A verdict will be announced at 12:45. #theatershooting bbm

The Gold Patrol® &#8207;@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting verdict will be announced in 15 minutes, at 12:45 EST

 

[Whiteorchids]

Since they found him guilty on all counts. I can't imagine how it would not go on to phase two. Would they start phase two proceedings today?

 

[zoey]

Verdict will be read in 20 min.
I'm concerned & prepared for a shock.

I'm always nervous--

 

[Chelly]

I think he was rational on some things and not on others. I think Dr Reid illustrated this. Obviously the 1 kill = 1 point of self worth is certainly not rational. I believe he intended to kill as many people as possible but minimizing the number of children. But the fact that children were going to die wasn't ever going to stop him.


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Since legal insanity and not rationality is what needs to be determined: Do you believe he is not guilty by reason of insanity?

 

[Chelly]

I'm always nervous--

Nahhh. This jury won't surprise us.

 

[zoey]

Since they found him guilty on all counts. I can't imagine how it would not go on to phase two. Would they start phase two proceedings today?

The Judge mentioned yesterday that they were going to do phase 2 in the afternoon --- of course this was before the defense objected to all that other stuff and the jury decided they needed information.....

 

[Chelly]

OT,
I am watching, but mostly listening to, the Jamie Hood trial. What a doozy it is!:facepalm:

 

[zoey]

Will C. Holden &#8207;@will_c_holden · 2m2 minutes ago
#TheaterShooting Jury has a verdict in Phase 1 of the sentencing hearing. We'll carry it live here around 12:45 PM: http://link.kdvr.com/1MKlzeP

7NEWS Denver Channel &#8207;@DenverChannel · 2m2 minutes ago

7NEWS Denver Channel retweeted Rob McCallum
#TheaterShooting jury has decided on aggravating factors. Waiting now for court to resume http://www.thedenverchannel.com/aurora-movie-theater-shooting/trial-live &#8230;

Vince Chandler &#8207;@VinnieChant · 1m1 minute ago
The verdict is about to be read in phase one of the #TheaterShooting trial's sentencing phase, watch live: http://dpo.st/1QBrF4G via @DPTV

 

[zoey]

OT,
I am watching, but mostly listening to, the Jamie Hood trial. What a doozy it is!:facepalm:

Is that going really good today? Thought it was a verdict watch?

 

[zoey]

Scott Cohn &#8207;@ScottCohnTV · 47s47 seconds ago
Jury must unanimously agree on at least 1 "aggravating factor" in massacre to proceed toward death penalty in #theatershooting trial

 

[Whiteorchids]

Will there be a verdict read for each aggravator or one verdict for all five?

 

[Maisiebelle]

I think the jury will say at least one aggravating factors was proved.

They must have gone through one at a time and decided to come back to the under 12 child one at the end. Now they've worked it out they are ready to give their verdict.


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[StillMindmatters]

I think he was rational on some things and not on others. I think Dr Reid illustrated this. Obviously the 1 kill = 1 point of self worth is certainly not rational. I believe he intended to kill as many people as possible but minimizing the number of children. But the fact that children were going to die wasn't ever going to stop him.


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Yes, I agree, that is why I cited he was rational in relation to the most fundamental level of cognition--simple cause and effect for example. Where he was irrational was in his higher order thinking processes but in IMO not terribly so.

 

[zoey]

KOAA News 5 &#8207;@KOAA_5 · 1m1 minute ago
Watch LIVE #TheaterShooting Trial - The reading of the verdict for the first sentencing phase - online and on 5.2

http://www.koaa.com/story/28909308/live-stream-holmes-trial …

 

[MissHaley]

Nahhh. This jury won't surprise us.

I honestly just cannot imagine they didn't find one aggravator proven-BUT, juries always surprise us!
Maybe they just want to be done with the trial & don't want to hear mitigation or deal with a decision of DP.

 

[ahotch2]

Since legal insanity and not rationality is what needs to be determined: Do you believe he is not guilty by reason of insanity?

No I don't think he was legally insane.


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