CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #11

[Kateinfl]

I'm still trying to catch up....i think the backpack was put in the area where it was found to get the search away from the area where he had her body. When the search teams went door to door in her neighborhood....i guess they weren't aloud to go inside any ones house? I think this guy has been stalking kids for a very long time..looking for the right opportunity. Thats probably how he knows all the subdivisions that have many kids walking to school. He probably knows that area where the backpack was found because he has watched kids from there in the past. And i think she wasn't in tact..because he had to move the body without anyone to notice. I think the place where she was found....had a pullover to move his car off road and just toss the body over the gate. I think he moved the body in a black bag..and maybe animals moved it out of the bag...i don't see how he would have been able to move her body ..unless it was in a plastic bag. I don't think this guy is as smart as people are making him out to be....just a very sick person who abducted and killed a child and now is trying to cover everything. I just hope he has made a mistake and they will find him very soon.

 

[carbuff]

And also the fact that it could NOT be confirmed it was her till the next day, that told me that what was there was not identifiable.

Keep in mind that LE on the scene does NOT make identifications. There are procedures that have to be followed. Family has to be notified.

Even the old Alzheimer's patient near here who wandered off into the woods, was found 500 yards behind the care center, and had her nametag still on had to be taken to the morgue and formally identified before the police could announce they had found her, about 12 hours later.

Now we have lots of reason to believe the remains were not in good shape, but I don't know how far we can take that conclusion.

 

[Etilema]

Is anyone familiar with other serial predators that attempted to hide the victim identities?

Concealing identification to me does not seem like a random serial. Why would it matter to the suspect if the victim was easily identified?

The only reason I could think of would be to delay the investigation. But then you would expect the victim to be better hidden and not just unidentifiable.

Excellent point! It makes sense to hide a victim's identity when the murderer wants to conceal the fact they were murdered, or conceal the relationship between the remains and him/herself. But in a case where it is obvious that the missing person was abducted and killed, how does it help them? Even though it took a little time to officially identify the remains, I think investigators pretty much figured it must be her, so it didn't much delay the investigation.

The other reason for dismemberment is to make it easier to hide the body--smaller pieces more easily covered up or hidden inside something. But if they just dump the body out in the open, with no real attempt to cover it, again-- how does it help them?

JMO


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[Elley Mae]

http://www.examiner.com/article/jes...ler-at-large-and-may-strike-again-fbi-warning

Because Jessica was abducted while walking from her home to school and that her body was located at a park approximately 7 miles away, authorities feel the killer is someone who knows the community and area quite well.

Most serial killers commit crimes while driving or passing through an area, but that might not be the situation in Jessica’s case. It’s important for community members to contact police if they remember anyone taking time off work on October 5, 2012, suddenly leaving town on a “planned” or “spontaneous” vacation, trip or leave of absence, and whether anyone had out-of-town visitors that week.

It is highly possible, however, that the killer had watched Jessica previously and knew her routine and manner in which she walked to school.

 

[Bravo]

Is anyone familiar with other serial predators that attempted to hide the victim identities?

Concealing identification to me does not seem like a random serial. Why would it matter to the suspect if the victim was easily identified?

The only reason I could think of would be to delay the investigation. But then you would expect the victim to be better hidden and not just unidentifiable.

Personally I think the "not intact" was part of the kill. What he has done with those parts means something to him. Are they Trophy's or are they part of a game with LE? Or both? I think the placement of the backpack is significant. Or did he simply not care? I tend to think he did care and it has some meaning to him :moo:

 

[cindersoot]

What is the brown?

 

[Etilema]

Keep in mind that LE on the scene does NOT make identifications. There are procedures that have to be followed. Family has to be notified.

Even the old Alzheimer's patient near here who wandered off into the woods, was found 500 yards behind the care center, and had her nametag still on had to be taken to the morgue and formally identified before the police could announce they had found her, about 12 hours later.

Now we have lots of reason to believe the remains were not in good shape, but I don't know how far we can take that conclusion.

Still, I would think that if she were visually identifiable her parents would have been able to officially say it was her within hours. JMO


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[Etilema]

oh for crying out loud.

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[Woe.be.gone]

I guess LE continued searching the same night and the following days for what then? Gum wrappers?

 

[Nore]

When a body is intact, some of it is missing, right?

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No. When it is intact it is all there. Was not intact, part missing.:seeya:

 

[tlcya]

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What is the brown?

The backboard (folding stretcher type thingy) that we suspect the remains were carried out of the field upon

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

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What is the brown?

The "stretcher" type of thing used to remove the remains, I believe

ETA...Ya beat me to it, tlcox..LOL

 

[Wishbone]

And also the fact that it could NOT be confirmed it was her till the next day, that told me that what was there was not identifiable.

Not only that, LE couldn't evan make a "connection" to Jessica


At a hastily called news conference, Westminster police spokesman Trevor Materasso said, "We are unable to make a connection to the disappearance of Jessica Ridgeway."



Read more: Body found in Pattridge Park open space, police won't say whether it is Jessica Ridgeway - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21745421#ixzz29V4iLJUi
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[tlcya]

I guess LE continued searching the same night and the following days for what then? Gum wrappers?

speculated missing remains, evidence dropped or left by the perp, tire tracks, and yes, maybe gum wrappers. All plausible reasons to do a thorough search of the area where the not intact remains were found.

 

[cindersoot]

The "stretcher" type of thing used to remove the remains, I believe

No, I don't think so, it looks like somethins there and they are covering it with the sheet.

 

[kevmoley]

Hi there, 1st time reporting on this case but have been reading for a while. Here are a couple of things that I feel about the culprit:

1- I feel that the culprit is someone she felt comfortable around. I noticed that she lived right next to Chelsea Park and she owned a dog. It is possible the culprit lived near the park as well or even overlooks the park. He probably tried to speak to her there several times in the past and maybe even spoke to other young girls in the neighborhood at this park as well.

2- The leaving of the backpack 7 miles away could have been done to simply divert the police checking the immediate neighborhood so he could have time to remove the body from his premise.

3- I feel he probably started with animals and I would check to see how many dismembered animals have been popping up in this neighborhood over the past few years.

4- He may live alone or he may not. In fact, he may have a family with kids. This event happened right before the long weekend (Columbus Day weekend) when kids are out of school. His wife and children could have left town and this gave him the time to do this. I know this may be a long shot but I would look at events that happened around school closings in the past. It could even be the dad of one of her neighborhood friends?

Just a thought but I hope they catch this SOB ASAP

 

[Woe.be.gone]

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The going back and forth about the condition of J's body.
To me, some things can be read between the lines but that's not good enough for some and that's okay. But can we stop this discussion now?

Until LE spells it out, which they won't until there's a trial, everyone can think what they want to think.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

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What is the brown?

The "brown" below the sheet is the stretcher material on a folding backboard.

 

[otto]

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What is the brown?

Here's an enlargement

 

[SapphireSteel]

I'm sure this has been posted but, due to work, I haven't fully caught up yet - maybe others haven't seen it yet either:

Thank you for this link.

For those who are wondering if the same perp is involved in Lizzie and Lyrics case, there is this snippet by former Colorado FBI agent in charge, Bob Pence -

Traditionally, people who commit these types of crimes are cowards and wouldn't approach a child
who's accompanied by an adult or someone else, he said.

Personally I have never thought Lizzie and Lyric were a random abduction, and this guy tends to support that.

I am sure, however, that he has other victims we just don't know about yet.

My opinion only.

Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/natio...ear-olds-killer-could-act-again#ixzz29V8C1RVH