CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #12

[21merc7]

thanks for those excerpts FoxFire. i was initially convinced this was a local, someone she knew. now i'm thinking he's just off the charts crazy and random.
i recalled another tool available to CO LE yesterday. we have mobile vans that monitor vehicle emissions. they are typically parked near intersections of 2 highways. there's one pretty consistently at the major intersection north of JR's house where highway 36 & highway 287 meet. i'm not sure exactly what info they capture from vehicles, but at the very least it's license plates

Wow, good thinking. They may even have a video device inside for capturing license plates. At first I thought you were saying this could be the perp, and I guess it is possible, but this may have more info than anyone thinks.

I hope we never get those here, I doubt my car would pass the test, it's so old. :banghead:

 

[nursebeeme]

Sorry, but the link posted today:

http://www.nbc11news.com/home/headlines/14-year-old-boy-reports-attempted-abduction-174760291.html

Is just a re-reporting of the same event from Monday.

Quoted directly from the link above (BBM):



In other words, as far as I can tell, there has only been one, single 'blue or black sedan' event, reported in a variety of mediums.

ah... yes... the alert went home wednesday I believe (to parents)

 

[absentia]

seems we've all had close calls. When I was 16 I took the train from Boston to Philly often as I was in HS in Philly but parents lived in MA. I was always taking the train by myself. Once I was sitting next to a guy who was quite creepy, and he asked me to get off in NYC with him, where he lived. I said no, as I thankfully had street smarts by then. But I've always wondered about that.
Of course I did meet an Aussie on the train to SF when I was 19. We were on the train together for 2 days so I got to know a little bit abt him. we both got off in SF (end of the line) and we hung out for a couple days. that was fine, but I didn't get any weird vibes from him.

Thanks for sharing this frightening story, and we all can learn from this. This is a good example of how easy it is to unkowingly become a victim. It started out innocent enough with someone just seemingly wanted to help someone, but in hindsight, we all know what the person probably really wanted to do. At young ages, we have not yet had the life experiences to always recognize the possible dangers. I am so glad you were smart enough not to go with that person.

I think the reason it is so difficult in a situation like that, is in a way, it was almost harder to actually do the right thing and NOT go, than to do the easy thing and go with him. Because there you were bored out of your mind having to wait for hours for another bus, and it probably sounded a little exciting to go check out a neat hotel with maybe food + drink, etc. Especially if the person offered to party or something that would further entice a bored teen.

I was in a similar situation while riding my motorcycle at around 14 years of age. I was riding some trails that went near the interstate and had pulled over to rest in a rest area where the trails came back near the highway. A car pulled off the interstate and approached me before I even realized he had exited off the interstate. He rolled down the window and asked me if I wanted to smoke some weed. During those days of my life, I would have been glad to smoke some weed, but something just didnt seem right with him, and luckily I became suspicious so the next thing I know I had the bike started and told him no, and flew away as fast as I could. I flew back home, and thought back at how vulnerable I had just got myself. I am so lucky he didnt pull a gun on me, because I am not sure what I would have done if he had pulled a gun.

Anyway, I just think it is good to hear these actual stories so we can all learn how easy it is to get in bad situations, and hopefully we can all learn how to avoid getting in those situtions. These days, I have a CC permit, so most of the time, I would be able to deal with a sitution like that, but when we are young, we dont have the life skills yet to be able to handle everything that comes our way. Both our examples came our way uninvited.

 

[absentia]

possibly. so do we assume Jessica's killer is the one with the white van who has been reported following other pre-teen girls in the area recently?

I'm don't think the blue sedan man is the monster who took Jessica. First of all, I think all of his would-be victims have been males, right? How many little boys has this sicko tried to lure now? At least three or four, maybe five? He's been unsuccessful every time... so... I guess what I'm trying to say is that he's not very good at what it is that he's trying to do (which, I mean, thank God!). I think whoever took Jessica is more sophisticated and, unfortunately, is "better" at what it is that these monsters do. I could be totally off base, though.

 

[RoseTree]

There's that dang blue car again.

That blue car has got to be on camera somewhere at this point.

 

[nursebeeme]

This weekend, Sakal was not the only concerned parent in the community still holding their children a little closer.
On Saturday, she was one of many people who converged on the Pro Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram car dealership to participate in a safety event by DNA LifePrint, a child safety organization sponsored by America’s Most Wanted host John Walsh.
“It’s an absolutely amazing response,” said Pro Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram general manager Jeff Schenden, who estimated the crowd at 1,000. “We’re glad that we’re able to help some. We’re kind of figuring that if we can just help one, we’re doing our job.”
Throughout the day, Thornton Police Department officers provided child safety information to community members and their young children and created a disk for parents holding crucial information on their children, including fingerprints, palm prints, a journal of information of the child and a digital photograph.
Schenden said the information is important for parents to have so law enforcement officers can issue an Amber Alert in seconds.

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/west...cle_0a2ef194-1930-11e2-b131-001a4bcf887a.html

 

[RoseTree]

ah - we both have the highly sensitive child
you know exactly what I mean! If I raised my HN DD like a regular child, she'd be totally messed up. her need level is SO high and she's SO sensitive. Very strong emotions and very persistent, determined, strong willed, and even in the womb I knew she was tenacious. she'll hold a grudge and retaliate if someone wrongs her. and she holds in all her emotions for me when she feels safe. nothing gets past her! and so sensitive - I have to be so gentle with corrections.

I have a sensitive boy too- you wrapped this up too, he saves all his emotions for me. When he was a few weeks old I was already reading the book, the Highly Sensitive Child- I already knew.

 

[Etilema]

ah - we both have the highly sensitive child
you know exactly what I mean! If I raised my HN DD like a regular child, she'd be totally messed up. her need level is SO high and she's SO sensitive. Very strong emotions and very persistent, determined, strong willed, and even in the womb I knew she was tenacious. she'll hold a grudge and retaliate if someone wrongs her. and she holds in all her emotions for me when she feels safe. nothing gets past her! and so sensitive - I have to be so gentle with corrections.

She is super blessed to have a parent who understands this and treats her appropriately. Thank you for being a good parent to a very special person and helping her find her way in the world.

 

[Hatfield]

A couple days ago, I think someone here mentioned that LE was stopping cars and taking swabs which I am assuming was for DNA testing or something.

Just wondering if we know for sure that this indeed was happening and just wondering if anyone knows anymore details about this.

I found that very interesting and it gave me hope that LE may have gathered some DNA somehow from the items found. The interesting thing to me is that if they do have DNA, they would first want to check their databases, and so if they were just stopping cars, that kind of told me that they must not have had any matches on anyone, which would mean the perp(s) was not in their database for other crimes, which I found kind of surprising. If it is a young perp(s), I suppose it could be his first real crime, but it is hard to think that this perp(s) would have progressed right to violent murder without having some sort of criminal background. Unless he recently arrived from another country, and maybe had a criminal background in another country.

Anyway, just wondering if we know more about any sort of DNA testing related to this crime.

 

[Etilema]

>. . . If we sought advice on "what can I do to ensure the best possible physical and emotional lifelong health for my child" instead of advice on "how can I make raising this child more fun and easy for me?", as a whole our children would turn out alot better. MOO. Sorry for O/T.

Wow! Thanks for making this point. Hopefully someday more people will think this way.

I think right now the dichotomy is between letting children rule the family versus having authoritarian parents, instead of focusing on a healthy environment for all the individuals in the family and helping the children grow up to be healthy, happy, loving and productive human beings.

JMO

 

[Etilema]

Interesting about the close calls. I am so thankful sometimes that I have even been able to make it to 27. My wife and I wanna have kids maybe within the next year. All this about stranger abductions and stuff is just so scary. I think almost everyone is fortunate we have made it into adulthood alive, and hopefully name too messed up from childhood Experiences.


All these stories have me thinking. I was a terrible teen, my parents were broke and I had weighed to 3 different high schools because of constant moving, by the time I was a sophmore. I was having problems, so my mom and dad let me live with my aunt and uncle in Westminster for almost 4 months in October of 01, just post 9-11.

I took a greyhound, and along the way, we had stopped for about 4 hours in Vegas, till the next bus came. I was 16, and I think about his often, and especially when i hear about kids or teens just disappearing. But I remember his clear as day, I couldnt gamble I had no money and was underage, waiting for the bus.

Well I was standing at the station, which I believe at the time was between downtown Vegas and the strip. Kind of a dirty area. But within walking distance of all the hotes. Anyway, I was standing there, and I was approached by an Asian man. In height he was much smaller than me. I have a thin build, same as I did back them, I'm about 6' 150-160. This man was easy 6 inches smaller than me, and and about the same build. He talked to me with a real calming voice, asked me my name, how I was, where I was going. Small talk you know.

I had told him where I was going what I was doing. He then started to insist I came with him to his room, be had food, and a comfortable bed to sleep in, if I wanted to take a nap before my bus had arrived. I told him no.. obviously. He insisted, I am a white guy from southwest Phoenix, I instantly knew this guy was up to no good. I was not going to be bullied or cohersed into. Something. I stood up, in his face and I told him no.

I turned around and went into a bus station, and stood next to the cop who was inspecting bags and stuff (this was post 911). I wish now I would of said something.

Maybe a half hour had passed, and I was less on edge. I felt that sixth sense, and got the creeps like someone was watching me. I looked around the room, and saw the Asian man. Just looking at me blank faced, but was talking to another teenage boy probably 13-15. As he is talking to him, he was still looking at me.

I am sorta haunted to this day about it. I love the Vegas experience now that I am an adult. Now I am even more freaked out by the event, knowing what I know about Vegas(nobody goes to hangout at grey hound stations looking to feed people and give then a place to sleep. Especially, know what I know now, and how many creeps are running around out cities.. I could of been Jessica, or any of the other kids who suffered and had their lives cut short by the monsters.

Sean

PS: sorry if words or jumbled and don't make sense. I type this out on my Droid and it has a mine of its own

Or, even much more likely, it was an attempt to coerce you into prostitution. It is well-known that pimps frequent bus stations looking for vulnerable teens to "take under their wings". (Doesn't matter that you are male, of course. There are, sadly, teenage prostitutes of both genders.)

JMO

 

[cluciano63]

We needs some news..................

 

[smh]

We needs some news..................

Agree...for those of you who have followed cases like this, is it normal for things to be so quiet? I'm afraid of what this silence means.

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.facebook.com/westminsterpolice

clu: here is an update from about an hour ago from the WPD (their facebook page) that Surfie posted.

They are thick in the investigative stage right now it would seem.

 

[nursebeeme]

Agree...for those of you who have followed cases like this, is it normal for things to be so quiet? I'm afraid of what this silence means.

bbm: in my experience yes it is normal. And the length, of course, depends on how quickly they are able to arrest someone, etc.

 

[Etilema]

Mostly the same old stuff being rehashed. The Arvada PD sketch of the guy who tried to lure the kids with candy keeps getting dragged out and compared to people even though neither that guy nor the person being compared (current: the guy arrested last night for driving around with his mother's dismembered body in the trunk) have anything to do with Jessica's case.

At first we thought the guy with his mother's body in the trunk was a real breakthrough, but it only took a few hours for LE to say he wasn't related. Which caused some of us to conclude LE probably has something the public doesn't know about that they can immediately use to tell whether it's the person they're looking for.

I must have missed something! I did a search trying to find out about this "guy with his mother's body in the trunk", but I can't find what you're referring to!

 

[EGirl]

We needs some news..................

(sigh) Yep. I'm so sad that they haven't caught this perp yet.

 

[katydid23]

I must have missed something! I did a search trying to find out about this "guy with his mother's body in the trunk", but I can't find what you're referring to!

Try " son with mom's dismembered remains in the back seat..'


http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/17/deputies-arrest-son-death-woman/

 

[smh]

bbm: in my experience yes it is normal. And the length, of course, depends on how quickly they are able to arrest someone, etc.

Thanks, the only missing child I followed was Lisa Irwin and it seemed like there was a lot more news. Of course, that went cold.

 

[cluciano63]

Agree...for those of you who have followed cases like this, is it normal for things to be so quiet? I'm afraid of what this silence means.

No way of knowing...undoubtedly, they are working furiously. But whether or not they are honing in on a suspect, who knows? We won't know until we know. We've seen cases go both ways, i.e. a sudden arrest after weeks or months of quiet, with others, just...quiet. And no arrest.