CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #15

[shefner]

I get the confusion and differing details. I'm just saying the first post seemed like a big post in order to try to implicate someone that has most likely been cleared using information that is no longer considered true. And then for 2 hours after that stays with his assumptions while I show an article that pretty much indicates the facts he used to make his assumption are no longer valid. The having the wrong facts at first is ok with me but the refusing to acknowledge it and pretend like I'm not trying to show him does bother me.

But how can we know that the initial info was incorrect unless it comes directly from Westminster PD? I think that is what Woe was asking. Where did the person who wrote this recent article get his information? If it came from the PD, then great. But if its more rumors and conjecture, then its no more reliable that the first articles.

I can guarantee you that Woe will read follow ups and articles that you link. You can quote me.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Well, there's a warning about making assumptions; it's dangerous to make them. :twocents:

I was watching the lost footage of the real housewives of New Jersey and the guy they call juicy joe was wearing a cross just like the one found around Jessica


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[NC Analyzer]

I get the confusion and differing details. I'm just saying the first post seemed like a big post in order to try to implicate someone that has most likely been cleared using information that is no longer considered true. And then for 2 hours after that stays with his assumptions while I show an article that pretty much indicates the facts he used to make his assumption are no longer valid. The having the wrong facts at first is ok with me but the refusing to acknowledge it and pretend like I'm not trying to show him does bother me.

No disrespect, but the problem is that many posters have been here a long time and are well versed on how much MSM gets wrong. It happens time and time again. Just because you read something in the paper this week, doesn't mean you won't read an contradictory article next week. You really cannot take the article as gospel truth of the facts. Experienced sleuths know this. "This ain't our first rodeo"!

 

[Cybermom]

After reading all of the arguing here about it, I wonder if the boy's father and Jessica may have gotten their wires crossed and there was a big misunderstanding. From the interview, it does sound like Jessica was expecting to meet her friend at the park (or she could have just not mentioned the change in plans to her mother). From what the father reportedly said, it wounds like he and the friend were expecting her to go to the house. Isn't it possible that both are telling the truth (as they knew it) ?

Both parents say that Jessica called her friend's house to see if he was walking that day. The father says he told her that J would wait for her, but it sounds like maybe they meant he'd wait at the house. JR tells her mother that J is going to be walking with her and leaves. Maybe she was waiting for him at the park while he was waiting for her at home. I just don't see how else the different stories make sense.

This is a good theory, goodness knows I see communication breakdowns every day!
I have to agree with general opinion that it would be silly for her to walk to Js house in the cold to meet him to walk/ride to school since its further than walking to school. Plus, if she did make it past a certain point they would have driven past her and most likely seen her walking in the opposite way from school.
Most likely she would have cut through some yards ( I don't recall following staying to sidewalks when there were shortcuts) but then again I don't know if weather may have deterred that route.

 

[GrainneDhu]

That would be true. I do wonder if it could be possible that IF there was a bag, the bag was not sealed or closed. Anybody else here go to pick up a bag, thinking it is closed and it is angled just enough that part of the contents spill out? I've dropped a few dead rats that way (I sometimes have to pick up several when the neighbors have had an exterminator by)...finally learned to just seal each one in their own bag. Picking them up once is bad enough...

That's possible (and, may I add, EWWW).

I think that if the bag had partially opened and remains spilled out, then the garbage collectors wouldn't have had to flag down an animal control vehicle to get the ACOs to check the bag for them.

It has been suggested that the people collecting the trash may have been people working off their community service hours. If so, that would make even more sense about not wanting to look into the bag. No one has been able to say for sure whether this is the case or not.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Well, there's a warning about making assumptions; it's dangerous to make them. :twocents:

+1

Especially in a case like this.

 

[scadder21]

But how can we know that the initial info was incorrect unless it comes directly from Westminster PD? I think that is what Woe was asking. Where did the person who wrote this recent article get his information? If it came from the PD, then great. But if its more rumors and conjecture, then its no more reliable that the first articles.

I can guarantee you that Woe will read follow ups and articles that you link. You can quote me.

So essentially, no one knows what's going on right? If false information is coming out wouldn't they say? Heck this tweet from 2 hours ago stating possible new information in Patridge Park, has ALREADY been shot down by the LE 2 hours later. If Denver Post was wrong they would have let us know already. Regarding everything he's mentioning as Westminister PD facts where are his links to that.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I would assume if it's printed in a newstory that it's a LE source. They aren't going to print something as fact in a story about what has happened and the timeline without LE sources. If it's not from them the LE would have already come out stating that it's false information.

I respectfully disagree that this had to have come from LE sources. It might or might not have. As long as it doesn't interfere with the case, LE has not corrected slightly skewed information in the past (at least in our area, and we have lots of crime).

To me, it looks like someone looked at the same facts we have always had, and interpreted them differently, possibly more accurately, but not necessarily so.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I went to look at above site for new pictures and found this in Denver Post.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21825486/police-get-tuft-hair-from-park-near-where

Please read the whole article. There is no guarantee its with the case.:seeya:



I saw something above about scanner chatter. I think it is against the rules to carry any talk from scanner to up here. Dont want to see anyone get in trouble.:moo:

This article is a prime example of what I just posted. If you click on the link, you will see that LE refuted what was reported tonight on the news. Like I said, MSM doesn't have the best track record for accuracy...their job is ratings.

 

[winterrose]

I was watching the lost footage of the real housewives of New Jersey and the guy they call juicy joe was wearing a cross just like the one found around Jessica


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I can't believe I'm looking up images of Juicy Joe, shaking my head, because I found one with him shirtless and using weights. ~sigh~ Some people's children should just keep their shirt on. Anyway the pic is too small to see it close.

 

[absentia]

I saw a google map with different locations and not showing the boys house. The other map had Jessica's house between Chelesa Park and the school. So she backtracked every day to meet friends at the park and then go to the school as a group.

not sure what maps you were looking at. J's address and JR's address are both in the scanner rewind. it's easy to find them and map it with walking directions. JR's house is not between Chelsea park & the school.

also, regarding that morning, for everyone debating it:
NO ONE KNOWS what happened, except maybe LE.
J's dad got a call from an unknown number at 7:40 AM. 5 MINUTES BEFORE JR AWOKE. It was from JR's mom's cell phone. It went to vm. J's dad called back. don't know who he talked to.

JR could have been anywhere that AM - at Chelsea Park, on the 1 mile walk to J's house, at either or both of 2 rec ctrs in different directions, or the path through open space to the school. no one knows except LE. no one knows what time she was abducted. could have been 8:30 or 8:50. or in between or later. if LE knows they are the only ones.

there's a lot of things abt that morning that don't add up or make sense. BUT NONE OF IT HAS TO DO WITH HER BEING ABDUCTED.

 

[scadder21]

No disrespect, but the problem is that many posters have been here a long time and are well versed on how much MSM gets wrong. It happens time and time again. Just because you read something in the paper this week, doesn't mean you won't read an contradictory article next week. You really cannot take the article as gospel truth of the facts. Experienced sleuths know this. "This ain't our first rodeo"!

LE corrected a tweet from 2 hours ago. Yet they haven't corrected a MAJOR NEWS story from today? That shows me they support the facts in it.

 

[Ghostwheel]

So essentially, no one knows what's going on right? If false information is coming out wouldn't they say? Heck this tweet from 2 hours ago stating possible new information in Patridge Park, has ALREADY been shot down by the LE 2 hours later. If Denver Post was wrong they would have let us know already. Regarding everything he's mentioning as Westminister PD facts where are his links to that.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Let's all happy dance to being confused!!!:dance::Banane08::Banane04::Banane17:

 

[Deleted member 718]

Jessica talks to friend's dad at 8:25, walks out door at 8:30, does not arrive at friend's house by 8:40 so they leave? Who does that? Wouldn't your first thought be call and find out what time she left so you know how much longer you have to wait? Who just leaves and never calls? She was 10 years old.

We were to meet friends at 12:30 today, they showed up at 1:15. No cell reception so we waited. Who just leaves? We were meeting other adults who were in a vehicle, not a child in the snow.

Maybe he did call but Mom's phone was already turned off. We haven't heard his story yet, just a tiny bit on the scanner thread which is open to interpretation.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I agree with you and what I don't understand is how easily the scanner rewind post and interviews has been so easily discounted. Were they interviews between LE and people involved or what? I don't understand the lacidasical attitude about this. I may be missing something and if Iam please someone fill me in. The critical time for JR was when she walked out of the house and when she did not make it to school. Now, who knows more about than anyone? jmo

I agree totally. In other cases I've followed, we gone over facts over and over and due to false info being provided it is best to only take for fact direct quotes from LE. If its not in quotes or on video it could be a misinterpretation on the part of the reporter. I'm more apt to believe scanner chatter than a brand new article contradicting all other info, with no source cited and no quotes from LE.

 

[scadder21]

not sure what maps you were looking at. J's address and JR's address are both in the scanner rewind. it's easy to find them and map it with walking directions. JR's house is not between Chelsea park & the school.

also, regarding that morning, for everyone debating it:
NO ONE KNOWS what happened, except maybe LE.
J's dad got a call from an unknown number at 7:40 AM. 5 MINUTES BEFORE JR AWOKE. It was from JR's mom's cell phone. It went to vm. J's dad called back. don't know who he talked to.

JR could have been anywhere that AM - at Chelsea Park, on the 1 mile walk to J's house, at either or both of 2 rec ctrs in different directions, or the path through open space to the school. no one knows except LE. no one knows what time she was abducted. could have been 8:30 or 8:50. or in between or later. if LE knows they are the only ones.

there's a lot of things abt that morning that don't add up or make sense. BUT NONE OF IT HAS TO DO WITH HER BEING ABDUCTED.

Ok I'm new where's this scanner thread?

 

[absentia]

So essentially, no one knows what's going on right? If false information is coming out wouldn't they say? Heck this tweet from 2 hours ago stating possible new information in Patridge Park, has ALREADY been shot down by the LE 2 hours later. If Denver Post was wrong they would have let us know already. Regarding everything he's mentioning as Westminister PD facts where are his links to that.

the scanner thread is a good resource in these instances. somethings happen and it seems like it means something, but it turns out to mean nothing.

 

[MLO]

Ok, I lied about the last post regarding the wood....so I'm just going to ask you this again: Don't you think LE knows what kind of wood this thing is made out of? Don't you think they've already figured out if its rare or not and how many sellers there are? Because I can assure you they have...and if it was significant, they've already looked into it.

I'm sure they do. But they also probably know for sure the route she took, whether she took her pillow pet, if she was in a garbage bag, where the likely suspects were that morning, how the cross is related, if they have DNA, the kind of car the suspect trying to abduct the other children was driving. I'm sure that have better evidence/theories/suspects than we will ever have. But isn't that why people are here? If people stopped sleuthing the information that they did give out wouldn't that make this whole website redundant? I think you could take any piece of information and say " well, they probably already know, they have the best specialist from all over the country on it".

 

[scorekeeper]

Her remains were found in garbage bags 11 miles away in an open field in Arvada's Pattridge Park five days after her disappearance.

Read more: Police get tuft of hair from park near where Jessica Ridgeway found - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...-tuft-hair-from-park-near-where#ixzz2A08Njg00
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BBM

wth....bags (plural???)

 

[Confusion]

That's possible (and, may I add, EWWW).

I think that if the bag had partially opened and remains spilled out, then the garbage collectors wouldn't have had to flag down an animal control vehicle to get the ACOs to check the bag for them.

It has been suggested that the people collecting the trash may have been people working off their community service hours. If so, that would make even more sense about not wanting to look into the bag. No one has been able to say for sure whether this is the case or not.

Maybe they were just so startled by what they saw that they dropped the bag? Apparently something happened to cause the bag to be emptied. The reports were that they could see "her" laying there and a black garbage back next by her.