CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #2

[GateKeeper]

@TreeClimbingGirl...your daughter is just cute as a bugs butt!! THATS pretty darn cute.

 

[cluciano63]

P.S. to my above post; I would be thinking that if my child was alive, the kidnapper would probably be watching the news for updates and that my child might be close enough to at least hear my voice and it might be a comfort. So I would put myself on there as often as possible.

 

[Knox]

Marshall Zelinger ‏@7Marshall Girls report suspicious van Thursday in Arvada. Not THE focus for @WestminsterPD, but not ruled out in #JessicaRidgeway search. 10p #Denver7

 

[GrainneDhu]

I wondering if the suspect has ties to the area where he/she left the backpack. Maybe lives in the area. Maybe he is not toying with LE but got rid of her belongings before he went home.

The FBI should tell the public what to look for. Example..Person might have scratches on him. Person came home late possibly around 1am. Person had cleaned his car. IDK...

raying: Prayers for Jessica

Well, I keep reminding myself never to underestimate the sheer stupidity of some offenders but I think the backpack was placed away from the perp's home, which is probably within the area of the weekend search.

I think it was an attempt to re-direct attention and suck LE resources away from the area where the perp lives. Plus, there may have been an element of taunting but that's not clear to me at this point.

As for telling the public what to look for, that can actually deter people who have information from calling in a tip. If people think LE is looking for someone with visible scratches, Joe or Jane Public is likely to think "the guy I'm suspicious about doesn't have any visible scratches, so I'm wrong about him" and not call it in.

During any kind of search, experience (both my own and others) is that if you tell searchers what to look for in too much detail they are much more likely to walk right on by an important piece of evidence that wasn't listed because they're so focused on looking for what was listed.

The example I'm thinking of, I can't remember the victim's name. Anyway, searchers were told what the victim was wearing that day and several search parties walked right on by the victim's hair attached to a part of her scalp. During a different search a week later, a searcher did flag the piece of scalp with hair.

A couple of the previous searchers came forward to say they'd seen it during the original search but one thought it was an old wig, the other thought it was from a doll. It didn't occur to them that it might be human remains because their minds were focused on spotting the listed items.

In searches where LE doesn't have a specific person in mind, it's often better to be vague and encourage anyone with suspicions to call them in.

 

[mysticrose]

There is an option ("List") that allows you to see a list of the RSO's without having to deal with the map. I believe it is listed by zip codes.

Lol that is so funny I never even looked at that ! I was so heck bent on pinning it down I never even noticed ....

 

[kkdj]

P.S. to my above post; I would be thinking that if my child was alive, the kidnapper would probably be watching the news for updates and that my child might be close enough to at least hear my voice and it might be a comfort. So I would put myself on there as often as possible.

Ditto times 1000 or more!
I would hope and want my child to know I was looking for him/her, any stories by the perp to the contrary were false, and that I love them and will never stop until I find them! And I would want the world to know and to help find my child!
I would make myself plea on every ear I could get to!
I also feel I would be so devastated, worried, in shock, etc. That I wouldn't be able to eat, sleep, function. But I would do whatever I had to let my child know that I am coming to get them.
Jmo

 

[Knox]

Easier search, note the different categories in the dark blue box
http://sor.state.co.us/?SOR=offender.list

 

[MoonFlwr]

Why is it, in so many of these child abduction cases, people expect the parent or parents to go on camera and express how distraught they are & beg the perp to return the child? Why is it, if the parent or parents don't do that, they are considered suspect? Heck, in many cases, even if they do talk to the media & appear distraught they are still analyzed and scrutinized and considered suspect because they don't "behave" the way some think they should.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't!

Rumours that fly around are horrendous. Tori Stafford's mum - when Tori disappeared - was under intense media and public scrutiny because of how she 'came across'.

Tori was murdered and her mum had NOTHING to do with it!

 

[mysticrose]

Marshall Zelinger ‏@7Marshall Girls report suspicious van Thursday in Arvada. Not THE focus for @WestminsterPD, but not ruled out in #JessicaRidgeway search. 10p #Denver7

What in the heck is it with the creepy vans and SO's, not saying this is the case here but plenty of them are, usally panel vans .....

 

[Meri]

Wow just WoW the above posted suspect of child enticemnt attempt twice in September is only a mere 8miles from Jessica's home(thanks to those who filled me in on just how close this is)...I mean what are the chances that this is NOT connected?..imo it seems the chances would be greater that it IS CONNECTED...imo the above posted suspect sketch could be a likely suspect in Jess's abduction...MOO but we could actually be looking at the man who abducted Jessica.. :chilling:

And it would seem, just about the time he finished up four years of "intensive therapy" for his crime.

ETA: Oops. I read your post wrong. I was talking about the guy that lives on Moore concerning his conviction.

 

[luvhockey]

They showed two houses being entered. One with blue shutters and one with brown shutters across the street. The one with brown shutters is the one with the white service truck...and possibly left yesterday pulling away with a motor home. IMO...and has profession to take him all over around the area. JMO, IMO, etc.

This struck me as odd when you posted it yesterday (or was it the day before?). Why would a pest control truck be pulling a motor home.
I assume you mean the type that is more like a trailer correct?

 

[cluciano63]

I just don't think that what people would think of me would enter into my brain, not even after following many of these cases on WS. I don't think it should and I don't think it would, for me. You have to do what you can for your child, and if all you can do is put yourself out there, and maybe that won't even help, you still have to do it. JMO

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I can't think of an instance but maybe someone else here can. Anyone ever remember an instance where the parent(s)of a kidnapped child did not speak to the media or issue a public plea for the child's return and we later heard it was under LE's advice not to? Everyone is certainly different and reacts differently to trauma, but I know that if it were my daughter that was missing, you couldn't keep me from begging whoever had her to give her back. Everything about this constantly takes me back to Somer Thompson, because now all I can picture is her mother during her pleas to get her daughter back.

Just throwing ideas out there..

could she have a condition where communication would be painful or embarrassing?

I remember (I was guilty of this) some of us thought a mother of a killed daughter was not being communicative enough... Only to find she had MS, or a debilitating disease.. So talking weakly behind a door was all she could Muster.

I felt horrible!

I am learning so much on WS.. Especially humility!

JMO

 

[Knox]

Was the home address 10786?

 

[peeples]

OT-Katelynn has been found alive.. injured but ALIVE by Hunters

 

[Deleted member 718]

And in some of these cases that posters have followed for awhile, it can be the first sign that something's not as it appears. Just one more clue to throw into the mix with the sole goal of determining the truth about what happened to a child and bringing him or her home, safely if at all possible.

Mark Klaas has been involved here and given some very good advice for parents to follow, but not everyone has that info. And personalities and situations are different.

Moo

Where is Jessica??

Mark Klaas has devoted his life to missing children causes. He has a step by step guide to help the families of missing children. I always hope the parents will utilize his guidelines. And perhaps wonder when they choose not to.

http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-mc-tendayplan.htm

"While media may seem to get in the way, in the end they are much more likely to have a positive effect on an investigation than a negative one. In short, media is much more likely to bring witnesses forward than to aid a kidnapper in his escape."

snip

Day Two
"Hold a press conference to talk about your child. Talk directly to your child, “We love you and are coming to get you”; appeal to the kidnapper, “Please return the child to his or her family”, and implore the public to help, “If you have seen anything, anything at all”.
If you are unable to arrange your own press conference, tag onto law enforcement’s daily press briefing."

 

[vasportsmom]

Prob that <Mod Snip> reporter being spoken of above!!!

This prob shouldn't be funny but the "mod snip" in the above quote is really amusing me. It's like a WS Mad Lib (isn't that what they were called?) and we all get to fill it in with an adjective of our choosing. Bet I'm thinking much worse things than Knox originally typed.

 

[Seek&Find]

Was the home address 10786?

Yes it is.

 

[cluciano63]

Mark Klaas has devoted his life to missing children causes. He has a step by step guide to help the families of missing children. I always hope the parents will utilize his guidelines. And perhaps wonder when they choose not to.

http://www.klaaskids.org/pg-mc-tendayplan.htm

"While media may seem to get in the way, in the end they are much more likely to have a positive effect on an investigation than a negative one. In short, media is much more likely to bring witnesses forward than to aid a kidnapper in his escape."

snip

Day Two
"Hold a press conference to talk about your child. Talk directly to your child, “We love you and are coming to get you”; appeal to the kidnapper, “Please return the child to his or her family”, and implore the public to help, “If you have seen anything, anything at all”.
If you are unable to arrange your own press conference, tag onto law enforcement’s daily press briefing."

The bolded words are important, and I would follow Marc K.'s advice over anyone, unless LE said not to, which I do not believe they have.

 

[Knox]

This prob shouldn't be funny but the "mod snip" in the above quote is really amusing me. It's like a WS Mad Lib (isn't that what they were called?) and we all get to fill it in with an adjective of our choosing. Bet I'm thinking much worse things than Knox originally typed.

That was wrong of me to call him a name, occasionally my fingers don't do what my brain tells them to