CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct. 2012 - #22

[foxbluff]

I hope there is food left on the shelves!

TY, Farm. Surprisingly enough the shelves were very well stocked... all of them except the bread! The bread shelf looked as though the locusts had come through. Fortunately, I got there before it was all gone.

 

[The Farm]

TY, Farm. Surprisingly enough the shelves were very well stocked... all of them except the bread! The bread shelf looked as though the locusts had come through. Fortunately, I got there before it was all gone.

Your lucky! Around here bread & milk are the first things to go!

 

[DylansMom34]

Hello. I am new here; it took me a while to register but have tried to keep up to date after finding a link right after AS was identified. You all post a LOT though, so excuse me if I dredge up anything that has been hashed out.

I was curious if they've ever released the time of the call to the police on that Tuesday? I question this because of this news piece:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...kidnapping-outside-bar-investigated-in-aurora

I know that using a chemical-soaked rag probably isn't all that original, but the descriptions weren't far off, the attackers appeared young-ish, they were bumbling and unsuccessful (which I link to the Ketner Lake attempt), and happened right down the road from a previous address for AS in Aurora (a little over 2 miles, and 7 minutes from a previous address, within a 'comfort zone' for AS).

Could it be that perhaps this attempt was what broke the case, if he was overheard by his mother? It concerns me if this is related because there were at least 2 perps involved.

Welcome to Websleuths, IA!

Some differences from the two cases we know AS was involved in (Jessica's case and the Ketner lake attempted abduction), both were in daylight and near his home.

I personally don't think he'd try to grab another adult female, especially one who looks like she was very capable of handling herself. I think AS would key in on a victim he could easily overpower. Just my opinion.

Also, I thought AS grew up in the house in Westminster. When did he live in Aurora? This is the first time I've seen that he may have lived somewhere else?

 

[IA_Reader]

I guess I don't know that for a fact he lived in Aurora.. and I don't think we are allowed to 'sleuth' or post info about family members but doing a little research after seeing that article it looks like he could possibly tied to an address that is very close to that location.

I thought the articles said that he'd moved there during his childhood, not that he had lived there the whole time.. and I am assuming that when his parents were separating that multiple addresses were involved.

 

[DylansMom34]

I guess I don't know that for a fact he lived in Aurora.. and I don't think we are allowed to 'sleuth' or post info about family members but doing a little research after seeing that article it looks like he could possibly tied to an address that is very close to that location.

I thought the articles said that he'd moved there during his childhood, not that he had lived there the whole time.. and I am assuming that when his parents were separating that multiple addresses were involved.

That could be, maybe I didn't see those articles. I looked at the Jefferson County Assessor's site and it looks like AS's mom bought the house in 1996, so I guess I assumed he had lived with her since then. Not sure...

 

[kkdj]

I suspect all of AS attacks and attempted attacks were committed during daytime and more than likely weekdays, while his mother was at work and his brother was at school.

 

[kmn]

Yes, his DNA was on the backpack, the jogger (May, 2012, Ketner Park), and the open space where some remains were found.

I did read that DNA was found on the backpack, but never saw that info about the jogger. Do you know where you read that? TIA

 

[SapphireSteel]

This entire situation is insane.

Why hasn't he told them where the second crime scene is, he's confessed so has nothing to lose.

The obvious answer is that if he tells them, he will give up his accomplice/s.

In my opinion.

:cow:

 

[Footwarrior]

Yes, his DNA was on the backpack, the jogger (May, 2012, Ketner Park), and the open space where some remains were found.

We have all been making that assumption, but have the investigators actually confirmed that AS's DNA was found in all three places?

 

[DylansMom34]

This entire situation is insane.

Why hasn't he told them where the second crime scene is, he's confessed so has nothing to lose.

The obvious answer is that if he tells them, he will give up his accomplice/s.

In my opinion.

:cow:

Maybe he has told them the location of the second crime scene. There is much more that he has told LE than we know and now that there is a gag order, we probably won't hear much until court.

 

[otto]

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Beautiful job on the house plan, Otto! Thanks!

If AS did have his bedroom or man-cave down in the basement/garage area, he probably made sure that Mom & Bro knew not to go into his room(s) -- which would have made Mom & Bro twice as curious... Did he change the lock/put on a padlock? Maybe the crawl space was roomy... Will we ever know? Anyway, the crawl space would make a perfect stash, especially if the access was inside the house.
If AS had been sleeping in a room downstairs, it would have been very easy to sneak out & go anywhere & return at all hours, as long as he had a car & gas money. I think JR was dead by the time he got home (unless he had another place to take her. Assuming he didn't, I think he probably brought her home -- his mom was at work (I assume she worked during the day), and Bro was at school.

So whimsy and do-what-I-wanna are the order of the day... I think his interest lay in the dead -- not the living. Talk about total control -- the victim couldn't squirm or even look at him with any expression. He used one order of control when he grabbed her; another higher order when he tied her up; and the ultimate when he killed her. Now he had a body. Just the perfect size for him. Now he needs to do whatever it is that he has wanted to do before she gets stiff on him. Was she perhaps his brother's age? IDK how old the brother is... Sick, sick, sick.

Thx ... I would rather think that Jessica died quickly ... I think we all would rather believe that. However, I'm not entirely convinced, especially since he spent months fantasizing about abducting someone (we know he tried in May 2012, and may also have tried in 2010). We also know that he had an obsession with pornograpy.

Here's a cutaway of the basement of the house. The house is a four level split, so the main floor is the living room, dining room and kitchen (front entrance to the house). Upstairs, there are three bedroom, the main bathroom, and possibly a 1/2 bath in the master bedroom. I've approximated the locations of stairs and doors. Going down one flight of stairs leads to the garage level. This is where there probably is another 1/2 bath. There must be a door connecting the garage to the house interior on this level. There is one more set of stairs going down. This is where the furnace and hot water tank would be, and perhaps also some of the swimming pool system. There is 625 square feet of living space in the basement, but officially only a small portion of that is developed. I think that it's possible that Austin had a bedroom in that basement, or that he spent time there. There is a small, 3 foot high door from that basement area to the crawl space, which is underneath the garage. The height of that space would be about 4 feet. It's possible that Austin had plastic sheeting on the ground in the crawl space.

 

[kmn]

We have all been making that assumption, but have the investigators actually confirmed that AS's DNA was found in all three places?

Not that I've read.

 

[human]

sorry no link. But the neighbors said that they had lived there since the brother was a baby.

I think the brother is around 13.

 

[nikb]

Statistics would indicate Jessica was deceased within 3 hours of her kidnap.

I pray this is correct in this case and she never knew what happened.

Just a note - rigor mortis doesn't last forever. It passes leaving the body flexible again.

BBM I'd much rather that they found her alive but given what has apparently happened to her, from what we know, me too. I hope the part that she might've been awake/conscious for was very, very quick.

 

[otto]

I did read that DNA was found on the backpack, but never saw that info about the jogger. Do you know where you read that? TIA

I posted the link on the last page ... or two ... in the last couple of hours.

 

[otto]

We have all been making that assumption, but have the investigators actually confirmed that AS's DNA was found in all three places?

Reposting from this thread #561

"Prosecutors in court said they have a confession and DNA tying a 17-year-old college student to the kidnapping and murder of Jessica Ridgeway after sources tell ABC News that human remains were found at his home in Westminster, Colo.

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Prosecutors said that Sigg's DNA was on Ridgeway's backpack and at the crime scene in the Arvada, Colo., where her body was found Oct. 10. Lawyers also said that traces of Sigg's DNA were left at a crime scene involving a jogger who was attacked in May."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/prosecutor...ct-jessica-ridgeways-murder/story?id=17569788

Reposting from this thread #566

"Law enforcement sources told The Post that investigators discovered a wooden cross with Jessica's dismembered body shortly after it was found Oct. 10 near a culvert in Pattridge Park Open Space."

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...have-spurred-mom-suspect-austin#ixzz2AiyAkFT1

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012...oween-in-Westminster-Colo/UPI-56061351540455/

"Dismemberment is a rarity for killers of every age and background, as it is time-consuming, hard work and distasteful to most humans," said forensic psychiatrist Dr. Park Dietz of the Threat Assessment Group in Newport Beach, Calif.

 

[borndem]

Thank you for posting in reference to my post. You said what I wanted to. Most people I know who are in that field or studied it are a little throwed off to use a term I have heard my son use. My dil is not the only person I know who fits this description. jmo

bbm
Oh, mck -- I needed a good laff since I've been reading here for over an hour, and your son gave this needed laff to me with that wonderful little phrase! Let me add that I am an English major and do take a lot of pride in good writing when I write articles & stories, but that is only on occasion.

I looked to see your "where from" & saw Texas, so it all made good sense. I'm from NC, so we from the south do have our own dialect, and, although it may not pass Columbia University's School of Journalism's approval, I care not. I know this is a very serious board about a very horrible and heart-rending crime, but sometimes one must just find humor where ever she can.

I am fixin' to put that wonderful little phrase:floorlaugh: into my vocabulary today!

 

[nikb]

Thx ... I would rather think that Jessica died quickly ... I think we all would rather believe that. However, I'm not entirely convinced, especially since he spent months fantasizing about abducting someone (we know he tried in May 2012, and may also have tried in 2010). We also know that he had an obsession with pornograpy.

Here's a cutaway of the basement of the house. The house is a four level split, so the main floor is the living room, dining room and kitchen (front entrance to the house). Upstairs, there are three bedroom, the main bathroom, and possibly a 1/2 bath in the master bedroom. I've approximated the locations of stairs and doors. Going down one flight of stairs leads to the garage level. This is where there probably is another 1/2 bath. There must be a door connecting the garage to the house interior on this level. There is one more set of stairs going down. This is where the furnace and hot water tank would be, and perhaps also some of the swimming pool system. There is 625 square feet of living space in the basement, but officially only a small portion of that is developed. I think that it's possible that Austin had a bedroom in that basement, or that he spent time there. There is a small, 3 foot high door from that basement area to the crawl space, which is underneath the garage. The height of that space would be about 4 feet. It's possible that Austin had plastic sheeting on the ground in the crawl space.

2010 too? What did I miss?

Also, awesome cutaways of the house! Thanks for doing those. I know you said you're still learning that software, but seems to me you're learning it very quickly and doing a great job. I appreciate your time and effort! On this and on other maps and such you've posted on other cases.

 

[foxbluff]

Your lucky! Around here bread & milk are the first things to go!

O/T... thanks to the mods for not calling us down for talking about hurricane.

I agree, Farm, that milk and bread flies off the shelves at times like these. Usually, that includes canned biscuits and such, too. With Sandy, though, we've had over a week of warnings so it would appear that the store must have done some major stock-ups this past wk.

I hope we will all come through this safely...