CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct. 2012 - #22

[Ghostwheel]

I don't think this case is any different from other cases that capture media interest in that sensational elements played a huge role. Jessica was walking to a school in suburbia, she was abducted, and later found dismembered. We heard reports about how the community was in fear, predator on the loose, etc. Then, he is arrested and he's a 17-year-old who's obsessed with death and was studying forensics and mortuary science.

Agreed, this led to a lot of LE involvement right away, but I also think a lot of it has to do with how the parents push the information out. There have been some kidnappings where the parents just close off and won't let the media have any information about what their child looks like, where they were seen, where they might go. Media can't do squat without something to work with.

Does anyone else sometimes look at the calendar and wonder that all this happened within 3 weeks?

 

[spamelope]

Couldn't find an update/identity of the young woman found in clear creek but found the platte river:
http://www.9news.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=94479&catid=339

Body pulled from South Platte River

Thanks, Foxfire. I think that it's really strange that that story was never followed up on in the press. I wonder why. The person commenting had very little info to infer a "Jack the River Ripper" scenario was going on. This is a huge jump considering it was not reported as anything unduly suspicious, and one would assume it was an accidental drowning. Oddly, a little more than a year later, we have a "Jack the Ripper" type killer in Colo. The timing of this death was smack dab in the middle of the two Ketner Lake attacks. There's a video at this link, which includes a description of the area as "a popular hiking trail." The place where the body was found is 10 miles from ARS's house.
PS I think the gentleman from the Platte was probably not related.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/06/29/womans-body-found-on-hiking-trail-in-wheat-ridge/

 

[RavenTrue]

O/T - I hope all of my WS friends in the path of Hurricane Sandy stay safe over the next couple of days.:seeya:

Hope it's OK to stay off topic for a moment. This is going to be a superstorm (reminds me of The Day After...) Take care friends in NY and all!!

Anyway friend/co-worker called today to say my left tail light was out as she followed me out last night, but brake light OK. Have never spoken with her of a crime case, but she knew of this one with Jessica. She said feels sorry for his family as well. (then said many persons who get into his particular science may, or not be a bit off). Not certain I agree with that part.

BUT, what I did say is no matter what...his family will see him through the trial, and get to visit him when he eventually will get out. Which I expect to be @ 21 or 22. They will never see her again.

What I DO applaud is his Mother. Asked myself long before here on WS if the unbelievable were to happen...would you turn them in?? I have always said yes. No matter. Petty theft is 1 thing. Murder is another. I would include rape in that. Would I turn my own child in??? ...think about this Moms

YES, I would. Not happily, or forcibly. But, yes I would.

Discuss please.

 

[enzeder]

Has this been posted? Article and video.

Austin Sigg's home in search area for Ketner Lake assault suspect on Memorial Day in Westminster

Police blocks from Sigg home after lake attack

10/27/2012

Excerpt: "Sigg is in custody, suspected of the abduction and murder of 10-year-old Jessica Ridgeway. Investigators confirm with CALL7 Investigators that they have evidence linking the Ridgeway case with the Memorial Day near abduction at Ketner Lake.

7NEWS reviewed police radio traffic from Memorial Day. It reveals how close police were to Sigg throughout the search."

Read more: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ssault-suspect-on-memorial-day-in-westminster

 

[OtherEyes]

Has this been posted? Article and video.

Austin Sigg's home in search area for Ketner Lake assault suspect on Memorial Day in Westminster

Police blocks from Sigg home after lake attack

10/27/2012

Excerpt: "Sigg is in custody, suspected of the abduction and murder of 10-year-old Jessica Ridgeway. Investigators confirm with CALL7 Investigators that they have evidence linking the Ridgeway case with the Memorial Day near abduction at Ketner Lake.

7NEWS reviewed police radio traffic from Memorial Day. It reveals how close police were to Sigg throughout the search."

Read more: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ssault-suspect-on-memorial-day-in-westminster

Wow! Thank you I had not yet seen this. It's crazy how close they were to him then!

 

[enzeder]

Some of his classmates have remarked that he was fascinated with death ... don't remember where I read that ... but he was an unpopular child that didn't socialize properly, was awkward and stand offish, and seemed pre-occupied with death. If this is true, which I believe, then he didn't strangle Jessica in the car as soon as he abducted her. I think there was an entire fantasy ... that included the dismemberment ... that he played out. Her backpack was found the day after she was abducted, some of her remains five days later. Her clothes were found in her backpack, so she was gone by then.

How much time did Austin have alone between 8:30 AM on October 5 and when was he next seen? Where was he staying at the time? When did he return to his mother's home? Why did he miss school on Monday? Was he traveling to the open space near the old mines on Leyden Road on Monday?

BBM

Classmates Describe Austin Sigg As Smart, Strange

October 25, 2012

Excerpt: "Some classmates noticed something a little extreme in Sigg’s fascination with death.

“He was so infatuated with the idea of death. That’s just the feeling I got,” said classmate Hannah Bane."

Read more: http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/10/25/classmates-describe-austin-sigg-as-smart-strange/

 

[enzeder]

Ok, I have to just get this out because it has been bothering me so much and I can't seem to get this out of my head!
I was downstairs on the scanner thread Oct 10th when JenWilkersonseeker posted that she had just discovered that horribly disgusting/disturbing you tube video about JR's kidnapping. It was so disturbing that I only heard 2 sentences before I quickly turned it off in horror! The voices on it sounded like teenagers and I do believe it was two. The video was posted on Oct 9 and the account was made that same day. It listed New Zealand as country of origin.(Which I don't believe to be true.) It was quickly taken down thank goodness but I have just been so upset and shaken up about it that I so wish I had never even heard that brief moment of it. It apparently was 5 mins long and I know other WS's heard it as well, and more than I had heard.
:cow:
What bothers me is the possibility that this could have been AS speaking with one of his buddies thinking it was funny.(Which clearly it was not!) But I can almost picture AS getting one of his buddies to go along with making this sick joke after AS committed his heinous crime and his friend not knowing that AS had really done just that!! I had listened to the other you tube videos that have also been taken down of AS and his buddies making random videos with foul mouths and such. But I clearly heard AS's voice in those videos. And yes it is very distinctive as previously been discussed. What I want to know from any other of you WS's that listened to the sick video, is can you remember the voice on that sick one as sounding like AS? As I mentioned I quickly shut it off and don't recall what it sounded like other than teenage boys.

I'm sure LE was able to get an IP address and so they probably do know who made this however what bothers me is if it was him and a friend... where is this friend now? And if it is not AS then there are some other teenagers that have the very same sick imaginations that they felt they needed to post that for the world to hear! I'm just still sick about it and don't know how to get over it.

Anyone else having trouble trying to forget those terrible things?

I didn't see that video. Did anyone watch it all the way through?

 

[stillwatersc]

Above BBM..THIS of course is nothing but MOO but I do believe whether "right or wrong" that the fact that it was found to be a stranger abduction, that IMO the FBI'S BAU likely immediately profiled as not only a predator, but a predator that would without doubt strike again if not found and arrested..

I believe it is these exact type factors that if found to be present in a case is what determines the amount of manpower immediately brought in and used on the case.. Whereas using the example given in the above post of comparing it to an isolated, family offender on family member victim is not deemed of the same immediate, full force reaction of unlimited manpower given to the case.. Imo quite obviously the key word being "isolated", along with perp-family member, victim-family member = very strong indicators that the public is not at risk...

Again MOO but it is these obvious differences, again whether "right or wrong", that determine what case warrants such an immediate, large, full scale involvement of any/all agencies available to assist..

Jmo, tho.

I think the overwhelming focus on this case was absolutely right. They were in a race to get Jessica's killer before he struck again. I have no doubt he would have.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Bath salts, the street name for a very dangerous drug, methylenedioxypyrovalerone, also known as MDPV, is like speed to the 5th power. Very dangerous and potentially deadly. Avoid this stuff. Very bad stuff. Just google "bath salts."

I don't think bath salts have anything to do with this case either, but to support your point, here is an official statement from the director of my funding agency (Natl Inst on Drug Abuse, NIDA): http://www.drugabuse.gov/about-nida...011/02/bath-salts-emerging-dangerous-products

Even more, http://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abuse/emerging-drugs. Has info on salvia and more as well.

 

[jillycat]

I'm new to this board. I try to stay away from the horrid news stories, but the brutality commited on Jessica is beyond words..how in the name of Mary, Jesus and Joseph can a kid become such an evil monster...I'm glad the LE are trying him as an adult....and what about the other 17 year old kid in Colorado driving around with his mother's dismembered body in the back seat bagged up?....

What's with Colorado and the horrific crimes going on there...the recent abductions, brutal killings of little girls, the Columbine massacre, several other high school shooting sprees, the red haired maniac shooting, killing moviegoers watching the Batman movie ?

I've lived in Colorado most of my life and we have more going on here than child killings, the dismemberment of mothers, school massacres, and movie theater shootings by red-haired maniacs.

Our violent crime rate is lower than the national average by around 17%.

 

[jillycat]

I don't know if this article has been posted but it discusses how police strategy and release of information may have contributed to the call from the mother of AS.

Notably, it also mentions a neighbor who lives across the street from the Sigg family and his report to police about finding his missing cat cut in half last summer.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21871553/police-strategy-may-have-spurred-mom-suspect-austin

 

[Footwarrior]

I've lived in Colorado most of my life and we have more going on here than child killings, the dismemberment of mothers, school massacres, and movie theater shootings by red-haired maniacs.

Our violent crime rate is lower than the national average by around 17%.

The homicide rate in Colorado (2.4 per 100,000 in 2010) is much lower than the national homicide rate (4.8 per 100,000).

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

I don't know if this article has been posted but it discusses how police strategy and release of information may have contributed to the call from the mother of AS.

Notably, it also mentions a neighbor who lives across the street from the Sigg family and his report to police about finding his missing cat cut in half last summer.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21871553/police-strategy-may-have-spurred-mom-suspect-austin

:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:

 

[Footwarrior]

I think the overwhelming focus on this case was absolutely right. They were in a race to get Jessica's killer before he struck again. I have no doubt he would have.

This was also a case where a large number of officers were needed. Nobody saw Jessica's abduction or even noticed a suspicious person or vehicle that morning. Without anything to go on, investigators started a canvas of the entire neighborhood and a search of the massive open space areas near Jessica's home.

Even with 200 officers, the search was talking a lot of time. I was taking my dog for long hikes in areas that hadn't yet been searched by law enforcement. Keeping my eyes and nose open for something that might help the case.

 

[SoBeCzar]

I think when LE realized this monster had the potential to kill many other girls they pulled out the stops. By doing so they saved countless lives because he definitely was just getting started.
Yes, it is sad all cases can't get the same attention but this one needed it.

 

[Sigh Sister]

Six cats where found mutilated in a Denver neighborhood back in August. If I mapped it correctly, the neighborhood is located not too far out of the way from the community college he attended.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/cats-found-decapitated-gutted-in-denver-yards

 

[smh]

I've lived in Colorado most of my life and we have more going on here than child killings, the dismemberment of mothers, school massacres, and movie theater shootings by red-haired maniacs.

Our violent crime rate is lower than the national average by around 17%.

ITA. The crime rate is very low here. We have lived here almost 16 years and it's been an extremely safe place to live. I have even lived in "bad" parts of town here and still felt safe. It just seems like the things that do happen here get national attention and therefore, people around the country think CO is some really dangerous place to live.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I looked up Somer Thompson's case. She was also murdered by an unknown predator. 50 LE worked her case. It's a different state, with different agencies, so it's not like the same people decided Jessica's case would get 200+ while Somer's case would get 50+. I'm just sharing incase anyone else was interested in seeing how many LE worked a similar case.

 

[enzeder]

Enigmatic portrait of Jessica Ridgeway suspect's family emerges

10/28/2012

Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...rait-jessica-ridgeway-suspects-family-emerges

 

[pinto]

ITA. The crime rate is very low here. We have lived here almost 16 years and it's been an extremely safe place to live. I have even lived in "bad" parts of town here and still felt safe. It just seems like the things that do happen here get national attention and therefore, people around the country think CO is some really dangerous place to live.

Um, it IS dangerous. And it is freezing cold, snows all winter. The sun disappears. Sheer misery. I wouldn't venture anywhere nearby...