CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct. 2012 - #22

[Foxfire]

statistically speaking the rates are down, but due to population growth, the sheer number are increased. so yes it seems like it is more, b/c it is but not in relation to the population.

There is 100,000+ missing/murdered persons in the USA(actual number unknown).
How can crime statistics be accurate? There have been many documented cases of deep sixing of crime statistics by many State & local LEAs over the years for political purposes, as well as sloppy record keeping, etc.
JMO, the FBI NCIC is doing a much better job now than in the past, but at best the crime statistics are fuzzy math..

With that said. With DNA/forensics and other technology advancements: DNA Laws, FBI BAU VICAP, CODIS, NAMUS, Communication, Internet Awareness etc. I am optimistic
that violent criminals will be apprehended much faster now than in the past..The majority of violent crimes are committed by recidivist felons...
Have my fingers crossed...

 

[absentia]

So many questions & so few answers, passionflower...

Imo, Austin Reed Siggs, knew that the dominoes were beginning to fall when he turned himself in to LE...
ARS, was forensically aware. Why would he carelessly leave indicting dna evidence that would eventually lead back to him.?

respectfully, I do not agree at all. I think he was cornered by the cross and someone else either in or outside the family starting to be on to him. I think he left DNA b/c he's a stupid kid. I think if he has no boundaries at home and has seen his dad do bad stuff, he probably just assumed he'd get away with it. Kids that age don't have the awareness of the cops that adults do. Their perception of authority is based more on their daily world - parents, school, etc. He would think he can get away with anything if he's used to his parents not catching on to him. and his mom knew nothing. he thinks the cops are as oblivious and unaware as his personal authority sphere. this is another case of going as far as he did b/c he has not reason not to.

 

[Etilema]

respectfully, I do not agree at all. I think he was cornered by the cross and someone else either in or outside the family starting to be on to him. I think he left DNA b/c he's a stupid kid. I think if he has no boundaries at home and has seen his dad do bad stuff, he probably just assumed he'd get away with it. Kids that age don't have the awareness of the cops that adults do. Their perception of authority is based more on their daily world - parents, school, etc. He would think he can get away with anything if he's used to his parents not catching on to him. and his mom knew nothing. he thinks the cops are as oblivious and unaware as his personal authority sphere. this is another case of going as far as he did b/c he has not reason not to.

Even Casey Anthony seemed to think that LE would buy her lies without question or investigation, as she seemed always to get away with things with her parents. They say that after her first interview with police she seemed relieved and happy, like she thought they believed her alibi and the whole thing with them was pretty much over.

JMO


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[absentia]

I am curious to know how AS managed to get a Mohawk after his mugshot and before court the next morning.

the photo they showed on the news was his FB photo I believe.

 

[borndem]

I AGREE! I know in the schools my kids went to (Chicago and NYC), there are anti-bullying programs, classes and severe punishment to anyone who participates in bullying. Not to say it doesn't still go on but they really try hard. However, where we live now (safe suburbia, my ) has no anti-bullying programs and my youngest has been more than taunted. I called to complain and was told "we have 700 plus students, your son is one of, we can't keep track of all of them and their complaints.". Well, this tattooed beast of a mother showed up and proved these kids aren't just a damn number. I was appalled that was even said to me. anyway..sorry so off topic.

I don't know that your comment is that far off the mark, A-kitty. If AS was being bullied in school (or anywhere) about his height or about his father, that could have made AS even madder at the world. And please know that even very mean bullying should not be blamed for causing what he allegedly did, but it could have set him off. Who knoze?

One of my friends is homeschooling her two boys because the older one is short & is being bullied & kidded about it at school... And the schools here do have awareness programs about bullying, etc. Her son is a good student, etc., but he said he just didn't like going to school anymore, so now she's homeschooling for the second year.

Again, I'm not at all trying to mitigate anything AS allegedly did -- I think whatever may have caused him to carry out what he allegedly did had been cooking a while, IMO ---- I'm merely thinking triggers or last straws, etc. Maybe he wanted to bully someone himself. Doesn't matter -- whoever committed these crimes needs to pay with giving up his/her/their freedom for the rest of his life. Period.

But bullying is wrong and goes far deeper than the bullies can conceive, IMO.

 

[TravelingBug]

Anyone on this thread remember who has scanner rewind capabilities b/c of premium on RR? They were posting during the JR scanning thread...

We need someone in the Katrina scanner thread to help us (see the fourth post - it's one of mine) with a rewind.

Thanks if someone can...

 

[Marilynilpa]

I am curious to know how AS managed to get a Mohawk after his mugshot and before court the next morning.

I'm not sure it was a true mohawk - I thought maybe he gelled or moussed his hair up to form a kind of mohawk. I've seen kids his age wearing their hair like that. JMO

 

[Foxfire]

respectfully, I do not agree at all. I think he was cornered by the cross and someone else either in or outside the family starting to be on to him. I think he left DNA b/c he's a stupid kid. I think if he has no boundaries at home and has seen his dad do bad stuff, he probably just assumed he'd get away with it. Kids that age don't have the awareness of the cops that adults do. Their perception of authority is based more on their daily world - parents, school, etc. He would think he can get away with anything if he's used to his parents not catching on to him. and his mom knew nothing. he thinks the cops are as oblivious and unaware as his personal authority sphere. this is another case of going as far as he did b/c he has not reason not to.

RE: I think he left DNA b/c he's a stupid kid

absentia, I think that we will all be surprised when his psych evaluation and IQ is determined. Seems, we usually are..

It is unusual for LE to arbitrarily get dna swabs from community members unless they are suspects or POIs. ARS, was aware that the DNA results from his unsuspecting swab would lead investigators back to him in time.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The data for 2011 is only preliminary-so it doesn't include the parsing for age of offenders. Here are the links to the preliminary reports though:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011

However, the Bureau of Justice Statistics has information about overall trends:

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/teens.cfm


They only tracked the data up to 2005...I'll see if I can get more recent data. But I do not believe there has been an overall increase in juvi violent crime rates.

Thank you for the link.

 

[JBean]

Jillycat could you share where the information that the remains found in mom's crawl space were in a cooler was learned?..a link?..or was on local news?(which should still be available online)

TIA

If there is a link for this it must be from a decent MSM source. The one that is being referenced is not to an acceptable source and was removed when it was originally posted .
So, if we want to find out of this is fact or fiction- we need to find a good link for it.
Otherwise let's leave it out of the discussion.
Thanks for asking about that SO

 

[AstroKitty]

I'm not sure it was a true mohawk - I thought maybe he gelled or moussed his hair up to form a kind of mohawk. I've seen kids his age wearing their hair like that. JMO

My son has liberty spikes (a mohawk) and it's not easily done. You have to spend a LOt of time getting them to hold up. I had one myself growing up before I shaved my hair off at one point. I sincerely doubt he has a mohawk. Maybe a faux hawk, which is just shaving his head and leaving the center. He would not be given any items with aerosol, or gel etc etc in holding. None.

 

[nikb]

I don't think I know of any kids that wet their beds past the age of 12. That seems kind of rare. But I agree about fire---many kids are interested in playing around with the element of fire. I dragged my son and his friend down to the local fire dept. by their ears when I found them filling tennis balls with gas and lighting them on fire. The firemen made 'invited' them to watch some awful videos of kids who caught fire and also made them clean up the fire house for the afternoon.
But the difference is, I guess, that MOST kids who play with matches don't want to burn their house down. I think Brandon Lavergne might have burned down at least 2 family homes. Big difference between blowing up tennis balls and lighting your parents house on fire.

As for the animal cruelty. BIG RED FLAG. I would see my teen son's wall full of ancient Japanese swords and think, ' gulp, ' but then I would see his cat curled up by his head and his dog at his feet, snoring . LOL

Interesting on the bed wetting. I was thinking maybe it's genetic but the two relatives I mentioned aren't super closely related to each other (one's my brother, one's our cousin). Cousin was IMO more emotionally damaged because his parents flipped out about it - I remember him being forced to wash his own sheets at 2, 3, 4am, cleaning his bed as best he could, and standing there waiting until the sheets were done so he could re-make his bed and go back to sleep.

My brother on the other hand had a "moisture sensor" in/under his sheets that set off an alarm. Usually woke me up even though I was in a separate bedroom but it almost never woke him up - he's just a very sound sleeper. Our parents were very sensitive to him about it and felt bad they couldn't figure it out. I remember him being too embarassed to go to sleepovers at his friends' houses. Makes me wonder what specifically about the bed-wetting makes it part of the "triad." Is it the genetics, the behavior, the reaction of the family?

Just to be clear I don't recall reading anything about AS having a bed-wetting problem, I'm just responding to what was apparently brought up in the radio show that I wasn't able to listen to yet.

Re: the fire, yes totally agree! Fascination with it's one thing, wanting to burn down your house is totally another, but I'm constantly amazed at some of the stuff kids do when they're "checking it out." What a great idea to take your kid and his friend to the fire station! I bet it was a very good lesson for them. Kudos to the firefighters for taking your concerns seriously and spending time educating the kids.

Animal cruelty well yeah, I have yet to see anyone who disagrees on that one. Makes me sick.

As far as knives/swords/etc., FWIW I see a lot of that stuff related to the "Rennaissance fair" scene too. Some of them are really beautiful. A friend of mine was into that stuff when we were both in high school. The ones sold in stores were intentionally dulled so they wouldn't cause injuries - one of the articles mentioned this is how AS's "collection" was too. I think it'd be easier to cut yourself with a butter knife! More recently I've had a bellydancer friend who keeps a sword hung on her wall, both for decoration and so she can do mini-performances balancing it on her head when friends are over. Obviously AS had a much sharper set of 'tools' somewhere but I doubt they were the ones in his "collection."

 

[TnVolsFan]

I'm not sure it was a true mohawk - I thought maybe he gelled or moussed his hair up to form a kind of mohawk. I've seen kids his age wearing their hair like that. JMO

My 5 yr old whose hair is usually laid down will on occasion ask me to make his hair spike like a 'hawk but that's all it is, spikey. Usually very gelled up- its a faux hawk they call it... And in our house when it's long enough to FH I get his cut LOL

 

[stillwatersc]

From here: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...rait-jessica-ridgeway-suspects-family-emerges

"Like other neighbors, Fox found Sigg the type of kid who would stop and chat in the driveway.

"He was wonderful. He was a respectful kid," she said."

<snip>

"We'd seen the Sigg boys down here," Garone said. "They were very nice, very polite."

<snip>

"A few weeks before Jessica went missing, Isaiah said, his antics with his slingshot annoyed a group of teenagers playing football in the open-space area — and Sigg, one of the players, began bullying him."

Some of the prior things people have said about him, "egotistical," "brilliant," "creepy," were in this article too, I just didn't quote them in the interests of space. I find it so strange how the descriptions of him vary so widely. Of course there's always the "we're shocked, we had no idea!" type responses because really, it's not that common for someone to come out and say "ohh yeah we kinda thought the kid next door was probably a murderer."

IMO though it's striking to be to see him described as anything from brilliant to polite/friendly/nice/respectful to anti-social, super creepy and even a bully, all from people who either lived or went to school near/with him. It makes me wonder if his personality changed rapidly, depending maybe on what situation he was in, who he was talking to, etc.? Or maybe he changed dramatically fairly recently?

That is what sociopaths do. They will be very polite, outgoing, charismatic when they want something. If they don't like you or you don't have any value to them, they will not waste their time on you. They also tend to mimic the person they are with - pretend similarities in likes and dislikes to create a rapport. They are all about manipulation and not letting you see who they really are.

 

[nikb]

That is what sociopaths do. They will be very polite, outgoing, charismatic when they want something. If they don't like you or you don't have any value to them, they will not waste their time on you. They also tend to mimic the person they are with - pretend similarities in likes and dislikes to create a rapport. They are all about manipulation and not letting you see who they really are.

Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking in a much more succinct way.

 

[nikb]

My last post on the bed-wetting thing, promise, unless it comes up that it's relevant in this case beyond what was on the radio show.

Huh... learn something new every day. Apparently it's not that rare, and can in fact be genetic. Again as I mentioned before I haven't heard or read anything, not even rumor/gossip sources, saying that AS had a bed-wetting problem. I thought it was interesting info given the "triad" mentioned in the radio show and some of my own family experiences.

This is somewhat of a commercial/marketing website IMO, but it has good info (some of it's BBM):
http://www.nobedwetting.com/parents.htm?gclid=CJXk-8iTpbMCFYp_Qgod0H8Alg

"What causes bedwetting, a problem which affects over 20 million people in the U.S. and millions more throughout the world?"

<snip>

"According to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., a survey of 2,000 children in 1999 showed that wetting pants in class was the third biggest fear among school-aged children, just behind losing a parent or going blind."

<snip>

"Moreover, bedwetting can be an assault on a child's self-esteem, even though parents often do their best to minimize the situation. Very often the bedwetting child will suffer silently&#8230;just because they don't talk about it doesn&#8217;t mean it doesn&#8217;t bother them. A bedwetter's greatest fear is being "discovered,&#8221; which often causes them to withdraw or to harbor a secret to avoid being teased or humiliated. They'll even deliberately avoid participating in exciting childhood activities such as camp or sleepovers with friends. [/QUOTE] Ultimately, the longer bedwetting goes untreated, the greater the potential for psychological and emotional trauma."

 

[Knox]

Anyone on this thread remember who has scanner rewind capabilities b/c of premium on RR? They were posting during the JR scanning thread...

We need someone in the Katrina scanner thread to help us (see the fourth post - it's one of mine) with a rewind.

Thanks if someone can...

Peachy-

 

[absentia]

RE: I think he left DNA b/c he's a stupid kid

absentia, I think that we will all be surprised when his psych evaluation and IQ is determined. Seems, we usually are..

It is unusual for LE to arbitrarily get dna swabs from community members unless they are suspects or POIs. ARS, was aware that the DNA results from his unsuspecting swab would lead investigators back to him in time.

I don't mean he has a low IQ. I mean he is 17 and feels invincible as 17 yo boys do, so he does stuff out of inexperience and arrogance that adults would know better not to do.
I believe he thought he didn't leave any DNA. I think having taken a CSI course and winning a prize he probably felt pretty cocky about being able to leave no trace, not understanding the full spectrum of what erasing all DNA traces would require.
Like I said, I think he is operating within his own perception of his sphere of authority, out of touch with the reality of the capabilities of LE.
I don't think he thought he could get caught.

 

[absentia]

If there is a link for this it must be from a decent MSM source. The one that is being referenced is not to an acceptable source and was removed when it was originally posted .
So, if we want to find out of this is fact or fiction- we need to find a good link for it.
Otherwise let's leave it out of the discussion.
Thanks for asking about that SO

still can't find it. this one confirms her remains were found at AS' house.
http://www.9news.com/news/article/2...ence-against-Jessica-suspect?odyssey=obinsite

 

[csziggy]

Lol... I grew up same time as you. I remember all the older folk saying the same exact things about us youngsters then that you are saying now - don't you remember hearing " these kids with their ripped jeans and long stringy hair have no respect, they listen to disgusting music, they do drugs... Etc etc...." Every generation thinks the younger generation is disrepsectful. It never changes...

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
Attributed to SOCRATES (469–399 B.C.) by Plato

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