CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct. 2012 - #22

[Dr. Know?]

The barometric pressure change causes migraine in some people.

So does plain ole dirt up your nose from a haboob aka huge wall of dirt/dust that causes sinus infections to some like me on an occassion if outside.

I'm sure tracking dogs and handlers are watching the wind flows closely.

Be safe Easties!

 

[otto]

So does plain ole dirt up your nose from a haboob aka huge wall of dirt/dust that causes sinus infections to some like me on an occassion if outside.

I'm sure tracking dogs and handlers are watching the wind flows closely.

Be safe Easties!

Didn't the dogs track the backpack to a school in Superior? Was it a high school? We all assumed that the dogs didn't track the backpack properly, but perhaps the dogs did. Perhaps Austin stopped at the school and used his TV CSI skills to try to convince police that the perp was some teenager from that school? Or was he at that school looking for another victim?

Come to think of it, we all dismissed the dog tracking to a school because I suppose none of us expected that someone so young could have done something so horrific.

 

[otto]

O/T ... my son was in earthquake country over the weekend and is flying in right now ... his friend who is a girl (he's too shy to call her a girlfriend) is picking him up. I'm eager to hear about his adventures.

That's the life of a normal 17 year old boy. For Austin to be as disturbed as he is, there must have been a long history of problems. I am reminded of Joran van der Sloot through this case ... not before, but now because it is again a 17 year old male suspect. What Joran did to the second victim (that we know of) was brutal and viscious. He was caught at the age of 22, but there was a history of problems dating back to his childhood. His first murder was at the age of 17, and it was very organized - his victim has never been found. Even with the murder of Stephanie Flores, he was very organized, but miscalulated because Chile sent him to Peru rather than home.

I think it's possible that Austin was born bad, and that he lacked a stable home. His parents divorced when he was 6. It can't have been easy for him at any point in his childhood ... but I think that Austin's temperament has a lot to do with what he did.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I haven't read that JS had his own vehicle. Was that Jeep his or his mom's? If moms, he might have only had access on certain days. It appears to be just his from what I've been able to read. Anyone? tia

 

[otto]

I haven't read that JS had his own vehicle. Was that Jeep his or his mom's? If moms, he might have only had access on certain days. It appears to be just his from what I've been able to read. Anyone? tia

Not sure. He drove his brother to school, and the college he attended was several miles South of Westminster. He must have needed a vehicle to get to school. Maybe his mother didn't need the car for work, and maybe his father gave him something to use for school. The house has a double garage.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Didn't the dogs track the backpack to a school in Superior? Was it a high school? We all assumed that the dogs didn't track the backpack properly, but perhaps the dogs did. Perhaps Austin stopped at the school and used his TV CSI skills to try to convince police that the perp was some teenager from that school? Or was he at that school looking for another victim?

Come to think of it, we all dismissed the dog tracking to a school because I suppose none of us expected that someone so young could have done something so horrific.

I'm not sure all of us agreed on this. I've read but my first op was a group of kids or one young kid due to the satanic or spookey tales from where Jessica was found. The shacks across the road and on the same side, mine shacks. As things were thown out, I saw a few sketches, a duo attack at a bar, read about a "man" trying to lure young boys with candy of all things, 2 of them, the cross, the hints, the searches, the dna from 500 lead me to believe my first thought as soon as an arrest was made. He was able to be caught. A 17 year old. Thank you mom. Dang.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Not sure. He drove his brother to school, and the college he attended was several miles South of Westminster. He must have needed a vehicle to get to school. Maybe his mother didn't need the car for work, and maybe his father gave him something to use for school. The house has a double garage.

Yeah, what's behind those two garage doors.

 

[otto]

I'm looking at the floor plan ... need to practice the software ... if the crime scene is his residence, then ... what happened. Did he pull into the garage and take Jessica into the house? Did he go straight to the crawlspace with her?

Did he have a bedroom in the basement or in the area behind the garage?

I'm curious about whether he could have kept her alive for any length of time.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Well, If dad lived such a nice lifestyle (yet to be determined, imo), had a nice home & property, I'd hope that vehicle was purchased by him. Mom was struggling. jmo

 

[Dr. Know?]

Per Otto, ty, Did he have a bedroom in the basement or in the area behind the garage?

Could be. If AS became reclusive since say May, that's too many months to not scream . That's 4 months to me. I feel for this mom, she must have been struggling to understand why he might have cut her off, his brother? Confrontations to boot. Their worries, pretty heavy ones I'm sure. I wouldn't want to have filled their shoes trying to deal with mister pleasant and mister ugly. My deepest sincere thoughts are with both of you, mom & brother. xoxo rip Jessica. RIP

so sad, hugs to Jessica, her mom, dad, family & friends. xoxo

 

[GrainneDhu]

From here: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...rait-jessica-ridgeway-suspects-family-emerges

"Like other neighbors, Fox found Sigg the type of kid who would stop and chat in the driveway.

"He was wonderful. He was a respectful kid," she said."

<snip>

"We'd seen the Sigg boys down here," Garone said. "They were very nice, very polite."

<snip>

"A few weeks before Jessica went missing, Isaiah said, his antics with his slingshot annoyed a group of teenagers playing football in the open-space area — and Sigg, one of the players, began bullying him."

Some of the prior things people have said about him, "egotistical," "brilliant," "creepy," were in this article too, I just didn't quote them in the interests of space. I find it so strange how the descriptions of him vary so widely. Of course there's always the "we're shocked, we had no idea!" type responses because really, it's not that common for someone to come out and say "ohh yeah we kinda thought the kid next door was probably a murderer."

IMO though it's striking to be to see him described as anything from brilliant to polite/friendly/nice/respectful to anti-social, super creepy and even a bully, all from people who either lived or went to school near/with him. It makes me wonder if his personality changed rapidly, depending maybe on what situation he was in, who he was talking to, etc.? Or maybe he changed dramatically fairly recently?

It may be that he was changing rapidly.

Or it may be that he didn't get how to behave in certain situations, so that his behaviour seemed fine in the situations he knew how to handle and weird/creepy in situations he didn't know how to handle.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Didn't the dogs track the backpack to a school in Superior? Was it a high school? We all assumed that the dogs didn't track the backpack properly, but perhaps the dogs did. Perhaps Austin stopped at the school and used his TV CSI skills to try to convince police that the perp was some teenager from that school? Or was he at that school looking for another victim?

Come to think of it, we all dismissed the dog tracking to a school because I suppose none of us expected that someone so young could have done something so horrific.

FWIW to anyone, the night before he was arrested, I believe it was the Denver Channel or one of them, posted an artilce that was pulled within an hour or so. It was a big shot of a school, considered back grounds of the school as the crime scene. I don't believe it unless it was when school was out. If so, he was observed in someways. no link so take it for what it's worth. There wasn't a time or date that I recall.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Interesting. I wonder on #1 how many NON-serial killers also wet the bed past age 12? I can think of at least two close relatives who did. On #2 every kid I've ever known, myself included, had at least some interest in fire. Granted for me it was more like fascination with camp fires and the ability to get paper to smoke with a magnifying glass, not burning structures, but IMO that's not terribly uncommon either. #3 though, that's the one that I think is a huge, huge indicator that something is very wrong. IMO. Maybe all 3 combined is more of a key, but #3 alone sets alarm bells off for me.

ETA: in case it wasn't obvious, both of those relatives I mentioned who wet the bed into their mid to late teens were also pretty fascinated with fire, but AFAIK neither of them has ever tortured an animal or killed a person. In fact one one of them wouldn't hurt a fly, has always carried bugs and spiders outside to keep anyone from squishing them, and he's been a vegetarian for 10+ years because he couldn't stomach the thought of an animal suffering/dying so he could eat. I don't want to get all sidetracked on a discussion about vegetarianism, it's just that this personal example is what makes me think that #3 is the most "important" of the 3 indicators.

Nikb, you've put your finger on the weakness of such profiles.

After Columbine, the FBI made a serious attempt to come up with a profile that would allow schools to identify and help potential school shooters. The problem in the end was that it was easy to come up with a profile that the majority of school shooters fit but it was also a profile that something like 25% of all high school age males would fit at some point during high school. Not useful from a prevention point of view.

I agree with you that #3 is probably the most salient of the triad but it is also the one most easily hidden.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I don't believe that the crime scene was at a school btw. I do think it's already been found though. jmo

Anyone seeing searches since Jessica's alledged killer has been found & arrested? I've missed whether or not the house JS lived or the street have been reopened though. I'm sure with horrific animal deaths and all, it would take more time?

tia & jmo

 

[Dr. Know?]

Nikb, you've put your finger on the weakness of such profiles.

After Columbine, the FBI made a serious attempt to come up with a profile that would allow schools to identify and help potential school shooters. The problem in the end was that it was easy to come up with a profile that the majority of school shooters fit but it was also a profile that something like 25% of all high school age males would fit at some point during high school. Not useful from a prevention point of view.

I agree with you that #3 is probably the most salient of the triad but it is also the one most easily hidden.

25% of my daily meet ups would cause considerable pause on who I would meet up with. jmo No tolerance for 25%. No tolerance.

 

[otto]

I'm wondering if Austin had a bedroom in the basement, which would give him easy access to leave the house at night. We know that he had a obsession at the age of 15, that he stalked and attacked women in the park, and that he abducted and murdered Jessica. There's is also a possibility that he was responsible for the neighbors mutilated cat. I wonder if he was also a peeper. Sometimes, men like Austin start peeping as teenagers.

 

[Just Pat 22]

O/T ... my son was in earthquake country over the weekend and is flying in right now ... his friend who is a girl (he's too shy to call her a girlfriend) is picking him up. I'm eager to hear about his adventures.

That's the life of a normal 17 year old boy. For Austin to be as disturbed as he is, there must have been a long history of problems. I am reminded of Joran van der Sloot through this case ... not before, but now because it is again a 17 year old male suspect. What Joran did to the second victim (that we know of) was brutal and viscious. He was caught at the age of 22, but there was a history of problems dating back to his childhood. His first murder was at the age of 17, and it was very organized - his victim has never been found. Even with the murder of Stephanie Flores, he was very organized, but miscalulated because Chile sent him to Peru rather than home.

I think it's possible that Austin was born bad, and that he lacked a stable home. His parents divorced when he was 6. It can't have been easy for him at any point in his childhood ... but I think that Austin's temperament has a lot to do with what he did.

If you look up the word on google dohastvath you'll see it is a password he used and put himself mentally in to that part and he was into viking swords Ulfbert is another word to look up .I think he was caught up into a violent world on these weird games and transformed himself as the master mind destroying young woman it fed his alter ego.

 

[marlywings]

The MSM reports I recall were the words "not intact". That can mean a lot of things. I thought because of the delay in identification maybe teeth pulled ( dental records), hands missing ( dna from fingernails) and uggh ( I can't even type it, inability to determine sex). That being said, I wonder about the sudden information requested regarding the cross. We don't know for sure where that cross was found. I think it is a possibility the unique markings were perhaps left on the body and LE was looking for some meaning to them while also a link to the person who owned this cross. Just my thoughts.

Bringing this post up from a few pages back. BBM

Has there been any other mention of this "park"??

Oct. 25, 2012

Authorities are also studying a 2009 YouTube video briefly showing a boy who resembles Sigg wearing a small cross. It appears similar to the one police say they found at the crime scene in an Arvada, Colo., park, miles from where Jessica was abducted.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jessica-ridgeway-murder-suspect-austin-sigg-calm-court/story?id=17558599

 

[catswhiskers]

I believe that is Pattridge Park, marlywings - the open space where Jessica's body was found.

 

[otto]

Jessica was found at the open space and in the crawl space.