CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct. 2012 - #22

[otto]

The MSM reports I recall were the words "not intact". That can mean a lot of things. I thought because of the delay in identification maybe teeth pulled ( dental records), hands missing ( dna from fingernails) and uggh ( I can't even type it, inability to determine sex). That being said, I wonder about the sudden information requested regarding the cross. We don't know for sure where that cross was found. I think it is a possibility the unique markings were perhaps left on the body and LE was looking for some meaning to them while also a link to the person who owned this cross. Just my thoughts.

I believe that there was a delay of 1.5 days before the public was notified that the body found was Jessica, but that does not mean that investigators did not know that it was Jessica. Positive DNA identification would have been needed because the body was not intact ... but I'm pretty sure that police knew that it was Jessica. It has since been reported that Jessica's torso was found near the culvert. Human remains were also in the crawl space of the suspect's mothers' home.

Police released a report stating that they were not interested in the interpretation, or meaning, of the markings, or the cross. They were interested in connecting the cross and markings with a 5'6" - 5'8" light skinned, brown haired, 18-30 year old male that wore small frame sunglasses and a baseball cap.

Police also connected the DNA on the backpack with DNA in the attack at Ketner Lake in May, 2012. In that case, Austin attempted to put a cloth over the face of a 22 year old woman. She thought that it was chloroform.

Maybe he thought he could get away with each crime, not anticipating that he would leave DNA and that police would conclude that he lived in the area if they connected more than one crime with the unknown DNA.

 

[otto]

We discussed the question of whether Austin attempted to hide the remains at the open space ... since he didn't attempt to hide the backpack. I think it's quite likely that he did try to hide the remains in the culvert of a road that was not heavily used but he didn't anticipate that maintenance people would be cleaning the culverts that week. Police have said that he admitted to leaving the backpack to mislead police. Maybe he needed them on the North side of Westminster, in Superior, so he could put remains in the park South of Westminster. If so, then he did that between Saturday night and Wednesday afternoon.

He should have known that if he left some evidence North, some South, and there were two abductions in his neighborhood connected to him, that he was putting a target on his head ...

 

[matou]

Hi Otto, I don't understand the two houses and crawlspaces. Do you think another crime scene is found at another home?

 

[kkdj]

Hi Otto, I don't understand the two houses and crawlspaces. Do you think another crime scene is found at another home?

Is it more than one home? I thought it was front, back and sideview pics of his home.

 

[matou]

Is it more than one home? I thought it was front, back and sideview pics of his home.

OK thanks!

 

[kkdj]

OK thanks!

I could be wrong tho! Wouldn't be the first time!

 

[kkdj]

Something that keeps crossing my mind regarding another crime scene. Are there many abandoned homes in the area? Out here we have numerous abandoned homes. It would be a perfect place for absolute privacy.

 

[Eileen730]

Something that keeps crossing my mind regarding another crime scene. Are there many abandoned homes in the area? Out here we have numerous abandoned homes. It would be a perfect place for absolute privacy.

I think it was right in his own home

 

[GrainneDhu]

25% of my daily meet ups would cause considerable pause on who I would meet up with. jmo No tolerance for 25%. No tolerance.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

The FBI profile of school shooters included things like having no or very few friends, verbalising feeling like a social outcast and anger at either peers or society in general, having problems with initiating contact with girls, etc. Things that yes, can be of concern but if every kid who showed those traits was locked up, we'd have to build prisons to lock up something like 10 million teens.

Which is no solution at all.

 

[kkdj]

I think it was right in his own home

I actually think that too. But is there confirmation of this?
Last I heard they were looking for another crime scene.
But I agree with u. I think it was in his home

 

[kkdj]

Isn't Parker where AS's father lives?

Yes. I have heard that his father is still in Mexico. As much as I think this latest has no connection to AS, a corner of my brain wonders about friends he had in the area.

 

[Eileen730]

I actually think that too. But is there confirmation of this?
Last I heard they were looking for another crime scene.
But I agree with u. I think it was in his home

IMO I dont think they have found all of Little Jessica I do believe there is another bag out there. But I do think he did all this from the safety of his own home.

 

[TnVolsFan]

I'm wondering if Austin had a bedroom in the basement, which would give him easy access to leave the house at night. We know that he had a obsession at the age of 15, that he stalked and attacked women in the park, and that he abducted and murdered Jessica. There's is also a possibility that he was responsible for the neighbors mutilated cat. I wonder if he was also a peeper. Sometimes, men like Austin start peeping as teenagers.

Your second image is pretty spot on to the design of the house if it is indeed the same floor plan as my friends house who lived in the neighborhood there when I did 30 plus years ago...

 

[nursebeeme]

Folks: do not discuss the perp's father other than what is in the main stream media. This includes speculation and sleuthing.

 

[Foxfire]

Quote:

Dismemberment shows an "incredible need for power, control and dominance," Fox said. "Such extremely violent behavior suggests it's likely to be repeated."

If convicted, Sigg, who turns 18 in January, would become the exceptionally rare teen killer who mutilated or dismembered his first victim, a little girl who lived in his Westminster neighborhood.

"Nobody just wakes up and does this one day," McCrary said.

http://www.dailycamera.com/state-west-news/ci_21877347

'Imo, the gag order & sealing of evidence by the Judge in this case wreaks of a political motivation due to the upcoming elections and the state of public safety in the months/years leading up to the tragic abduction/murder of Jessica Ridgeway.

If there had been transparency by LE & the Judicial System, the awareness would have resulted in a vigilant community. From my experience, and in my opinion Austin Reed Sigg didn't begin his evil trail of terror on 10/05/2012, but years before.. He was enabled by the deafening silence.

Sweeping the truth under the rug by issuing the gag order is only a continuance of the antiquated policy of silence that caused this senseless tragedy.. imo..

The Silent Epidemic of missing/murdered persons continues...

Snipped from above article:

Dismemberment shows an "incredible need for power, control and dominance," Fox said. "Such extremely violent behavior suggests it's likely to be repeated."

If convicted, Sigg, who turns 18 in January, would become the exceptionally rare teen killer who mutilated or dismembered his first victim, a little girl who lived in his Westminster neighborhood.

"Nobody just wakes up and does this one day," McCrary said.

There must have been earlier evidence, said Roger Depue, a retired chief of behavioral science for the FBI who teaches about violent crime behavior at the University of Virginia and through his company, the Academy Group Inc.

"It usually first involves cruelty to animals," said Depue. "This murder (of Ridgeway) was so violent, so bizarre. The literature shows disturbing patterns of violent fantasies begin at an early age."

 

[human]

there has been talk on here of video games and TV having an influence. I imagine they do if we look at the research and see how the violence escalated in studies.

However, Ed Gein did not have TV or video games.

Jeffrey Dahmer did not have video games

Ted Bundy had little TV and no video games.

Charles Manson probably had no TV and no video games.

What they did have was horrible childhoods.

The Columbine shooters , at least one that I read, lived a difficult life at home

 

[eileenhawkeye]

'Imo, the gag order & sealing of evidence by the Judge in this case wreaks of a political motivation due to the upcoming elections and the state of public safety in the months/years leading up to the tragic abduction/murder of Jessica Ridgeway.

If there had been transparency by LE & the Judicial System, the awareness would have resulted in a vigilant community. From my experience, and in my opinion Austin Reed Sigg didn't begin his evil trail of terror on 10/05/2012, but years before.. He was enabled by the deafening silence.

Sweeping the truth under the rug by issuing the gag order is only a continuance of the antiquated policy of silence that caused this senseless tragedy.. imo..

The Silent Epidemic of missing/murdered persons continues...

[/B]

(snipped)

Why would political motivation play a role in the gag order? It seems like standard practice in any high profile case. I don't see how they are "sweeping it under the rug". The case has already received extensive national coverage, and the trial should also get a fair share of coverage. If the media has enough information to keep AS in the media for years, the only thing that will do is overshadow the more recent cases of missing persons.

 

[Foxfire]

there has been talk on here of video games and TV having an influence. I imagine they do if we look at the research and see how the violence escalated in studies.

However, Ed Gein did not have TV or video games.

Jeffrey Dahmer did not have video games

Ted Bundy had little TV and no video games.

Charles Manson probably had no TV and no video games.

What they did have was horrible childhoods.

The Columbine shooters , at least one that I read, lived a difficult life at home

The list is very long, human, and incomplete although updated 10/23/2012..
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_in_the_United_States"]List of serial killers in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

List of serial killers in the United States

 

[Foxfire]

(snipped)

Why would political motivation play a role in the gag order? It seems like standard practice in any high profile case. I don't see how they are "sweeping it under the rug". The case has already received extensive national coverage, and the trial should also get a fair share of coverage. If the media has enough information to keep AS in the media for years, the only thing that will do is overshadow the more recent cases of missing persons.

eileenhawkeye, there has been a noticable political backlash in Colorado due to the refusal to pass Jessica's Law.

I have followed many serial killer investigations and trials in many States across the US. When the investigative files are sealed and gag orders are issued by the presiding Judges, it is usually due to the magnitude and political ramifications.

Public Safety is very important to most folks, especially in the case of a child predator where children are endangered. Even the perception of the lack of public safety can alter the political landscape.

Due to the silence by LE and the Justice System in the multiple previous abduction attempts in the Westminister, CO area. This does not bode well for transparency by current State & local elected officials, imo...


http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/jessica-ridgeways-death-connected-jogger-attack-17544485


Jessica Ridgeway Murder: Definitive Connection to Abduction Attempt
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jes...-attempt-17551624?tab=9482931&section=1206833

 

[nursebeeme]

eileenhawkeye, there has been a noticable political backlash in Colorado due to the refusal to pass Jessica's Law.

I have followed many serial killer investigations and trials in many States across the US. When the investigative files are sealed and gag orders are issued by the presiding Judges, it is usually due to the magnitude and political ramifications.

Public Safety is very important to most folks, especially in the case of a child predator where children are endangered. Even the perception of the lack of safety can alter the political landscape.

Due to the silence by LE and the Justice System in the multiple previous abduction attempts in the Westminister, CO area. This does not bode well for transparency by current State & local elected officials, imo...


http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/jessica-ridgeways-death-connected-jogger-attack-17544485


Jessica Ridgeway Murder: Definitive Connection to Abduction Attempt
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jes...-attempt-17551624?tab=9482931&section=1206833

bbm: Sigg is not a serial killer. :twocents: Sure he perhaps was turning into one but he has only one murder attributed to him so far.. and we don't know enough about that one yet as it is until trial. Surly not enough to label him a serial killer imhoo.

As for the gag order: that is necessary to ensure successful prosecution. It was not put in effect until the 25th: after his arrest. :twocents::twocents::twocents: