CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct. 2012 - #22

[danzn16]

We discussed the question of whether Austin attempted to hide the remains at the open space ... since he didn't attempt to hide the backpack. I think it's quite likely that he did try to hide the remains in the culvert of a road that was not heavily used but he didn't anticipate that maintenance people would be cleaning the culverts that week. Police have said that he admitted to leaving the backpack to mislead police. Maybe he needed them on the North side of Westminster, in Superior, so he could put remains in the park South of Westminster. If so, then he did that between Saturday night and Wednesday afternoon.

He should have known that if he left some evidence North, some South, and there were two abductions in his neighborhood connected to him, that he was putting a target on his head ...

But if he had some of Jessica's body in the crawl space in his house then why leave any of it anywhere? Why not keep it all in his house? We would still probably have no idea if she was dead or alive at this point if he had done that.

 

[otto]

Hi Otto, I don't understand the two houses and crawlspaces. Do you think another crime scene is found at another home?

Sorry for the confusion ... that's a front elevation view and rear elevation view of his house.

 

[tlcya]

But if he had some of Jessica's body in the crawl space in his house then why leave any of it anywhere? Why not keep it all in his house? We would still probably have no idea if she was dead or alive at this point if he had done that.

whatever reasoning makes sense to a twisted, diseased mind and soul of this killer may never make sense to us. Hoping that trial will bring more understanding of the motivations and actions that AS took but not counting on it.

 

[GrainneDhu]

But if he had some of Jessica's body in the crawl space in his house then why leave any of it anywhere? Why not keep it all in his house? We would still probably have no idea if she was dead or alive at this point if he had done that.

He may have been concerned that keeping her entire body would create a noxious odour problem.

I still don't know enough about Sigg to feel I have any solid grounds for figuring out what his motive in the dismemberment was or what his future actions would have been if not caught.

 

[SailorMoon]

stillwater, Ryan Brunn, first plead not guilty, later grew a conscience, then plead guilty in a plea deal for LWOP to escape a probable death penalty sentence. Then committed suicide in prison days later..

Kinda o/t - I followed that one and did not he committed suicide.

AS is a different one - that's for sure. Detachment megasize.

 

[danzn16]

Thanks for your opinions! The torso in the field, but the rest of the body in the house just puzzles me completely and I haven't had time to read up on WS or ask what you guys think yet!

 

[missalicemay]

But if he had some of Jessica's body in the crawl space in his house then why leave any of it anywhere? Why not keep it all in his house? We would still probably have no idea if she was dead or alive at this point if he had done that.

Could there be the smallest inkling of humanity left in him that AS thought he was giving her family at least the smallest closure? Not let them keeping on hoping. I know, what a bleeding heart I have. I always think there is a molecule of goodness in everyone.

 

[human]

Charlie had a seriously terrible childhood and his run in with "Boyschool" was probably what broke him as a human. Ed I think had sexual "things" with his mom. The rest though, debatable because none of them do tell the whole truth. Just running off of what you said not debating it lol

there is a book about Jeffrey Dahmer's life. Horrible

 

[human]

Sorry for the confusion ... that's a front elevation view and rear elevation view of his house.

your views of the house are excellent and give a real clear look at how the crawlspace is.

Much different than I though. I thought it would just be a tiny area

 

[GulfCoastKAT]

Thinking of Sarah and Jeremiah daily. Also ARS's family. So many lives forever altered here.

 

[Foxfire]

But if he had some of Jessica's body in the crawl space in his house then why leave any of it anywhere? Why not keep it all in his house? We would still probably have no idea if she was dead or alive at this point if he had done that.

Seems, that AS wouldn't have risked transporting the torso to Arvada, if he held her in his crawl space. This would indicate that the dismemberment occurred at another location, imo.
The saving/collecting of body parts in the crawl space mimics other prolific serial killers prior. They are referred too as collectors; Ted Bundy & Edmund Kemper were both collectors and practiced necrophilia..

http://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/crime-files/edmund-kemper/biography.html

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy"]Ted Bundy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Marah]

Do you feel that he left the cross with Jessica's body or do you think it was an accident? Why?

 

[smh]

I am not a very tech savy person but if the info can be traced (and I think it can) I am sure LE has done so and are continuing to investigate if it seems at all legit (as in Jessica related)

I would think it could be traced also. Just thinking back to when that youtube was posted...if it was AS & accomplice and it could be traced...could LE have gotten to JR in time? There is so much we don't know, of course. Just a "what if" situation running around in my mind...does no good now though I know :-(

 

[nikb]

Do you feel that he left the cross with Jessica's body or do you think it was an accident? Why?

Completely speculation, but I do think he left it with her, and left it with her on purpose. Maybe to "re-create" another killer's crime, or maybe as some sort of religious or cult-like thing.

I also think it's possible he accidentally snagged it on something and the string broke off. <removed for clarity>

Originally I wondered if Jessica fought him and yanked it off of his neck, but since it was (I think) found with part of her "not intact" remains that most likely didn't happen.

 

[nursebeeme]

Folks, when that youtube FIRST came up it was asked that you not sleuth minors and not link to it. The same rules continue to apply..

 

[foxbluff]

Also from your link Absentia:

"Law enforcement sources told The Post that investigators discovered a wooden cross with Jessica's dismembered body shortly after it was found Oct. 10 near a culvert in Pattridge Park Open Space."

Read more: Police strategy may have spurred mom of suspect Austin Sigg to call - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...d-mom-suspect-austin?source=pkg#ixzz2Ac1xZfkq
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Which makes sense since LE photographed the cross the morning of the llth.

Ty, absentia & Dee10. I'm just jumping off your posts...

Underlined by me - I'm still a doubting Thomas abt the cross having been found at site of little JR's remains. And who would these "LE sources" be? IMO, if they're not directly involved in the case, they might just be making an assumption just like most everybody else is.

If it turns out that the "sources" are LE officers who are actively working the case, then I'll believe. Meanwhile, I find it odd that more than one LE officer would break the gag order by saying where and when the cross was found. Up until now, IMO, the WPD spokesperson (and now the DA) has refused to answer where and when cross was found.

I still think it was found at the site of the 22 y.o. jogger and that was the definitive thing that connected the two cases. I'm wondering if LE keeping that info a secret was to eliminate faux confessors? (The real perp would know when he lost the cross.)

 

[smh]

Ty, absentia & Dee10. I'm just jumping off your posts...

Underlined by me - I'm still a doubting Thomas abt the cross having been found at site of little JR's remains. And who would these "LE sources" be? IMO, if they're not directly involved in the case, they might just be making an assumption just like most everybody else is.

If it turns out that the "sources" are LE officers who are actively working the case, then I'll believe. Meanwhile, I find it odd that more than one LE officer would break the gag order by saying where and when the cross was found. Up until now, IMO, the WPD spokesperson (and now the DA) has refused to answer where and when cross was found.

I still think it was found at the site of the 22 y.o. jogger and that was the definitive thing that connected the two cases. I'm wondering if LE keeping that info a secret was to eliminate faux confessors? (The real perp would know when he lost the cross.)

bbm

This is my thought as well. Maybe the jogger ripped it off in the struggle. DNA was recovered from the cross. It matched the DNA left on Jessica's backpack or body. LE knew the cases were connected. JMO

 

[nikb]

Folks, when that youtube FIRST came up it was asked that you not sleuth minors and not link to it. The same rules continue to apply..

Oops, sorry Nurse. I wouldn't link to it even if I could find it (and I'm glad I can't!) but thank you for the reminder.

 

[nursebeeme]

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^^ according to the police via press release the cross was "discovered during the Jessica Ridgeway investigation"

 

[missalicemay]

Kinda o/t - I followed that one and did not he committed suicide.

AS is a different one - that's for sure. Detachment megasize.

Are you indicating that RB did not die by his own hand? Is AS on suicide watch?