CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct. 2012 - #23

[Confusion]

I seem to know how to single handedly shut down a discussion. Not my intention. Backing out now. Maybe I need coffee.

Sorry to burst your balloon, but I'm just a slow typist! I hope you don't back out too far. I personally believe myself of being a serial killer of threads, but I'm working on it. :shush:

 

[GrainneDhu]

People, please stop confusing sociopathy with autism.lease: They are totally different things. People with autism do not understand how to interact with other people, but they are not anti-social, they are not hostile, or aggressive and they don't violate other people's rights. No way in hell is Sigg autistic. He is a sociopath.

I doubt he's autistic but he may have an autism spectrum disorder.

The two can be confused, particularly when there is very little information available about the subject. Simon Baron-Cohen in his book The Science of Evil: On empathy and the origins of human cruelty makes a good case that both disorders involve a lack of empathy. In the case of autism it is the inability to identify the emotions of others and in the case of psychopathy it is the inability to feel the identified emotions of others.

To say that people with autism spectrum disorders aren't anti-social, etc, is actually not true. People with autism spectrum disorders are human beings and like all human beings, most are not violent but a few are. Just as most people with brown hair are not violent but a few are.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I think it's going to be harder for the family than just living with what he did. I'd expect them to lose a lot of friends, and be treated differently by many, if not most, people. I'm sure there will be some who are being judgmental and feel like they had to know something but covered up for him, and others who worry that AS isn't the only one in the family who's a sandwich short of a picnic. I think that the biggest problem, though, will be people who start avoiding them because they just don't know what to say and feel uncomfortable about it. A lot of times it happens even with the family of a victim, but how do you go up to a mother and say, "I'm so sorry that the child you loved so much turned out to be a monster"?

There will also be a lot of people shaking their fingers at the parents and attributing Sigg's acts to their divorce or to how he was raised or <fill in the blank with the issue>. The implication will be clear: as his parents, you were the cause of this.

And should they show any emotion for their son that deviates in the least from utter horror and repugnance, oh my, they will be sliced, diced and julienne fried.

 

[KaaBoom]

There's no way you could hide or minimise something like this.

No doubt ARS's brother is going through hell but keeping things from him would make it all worse.

It's all a bit too serious for that, and he's a bit too old to hide things from.

I really feel for his family...this must be absolutely horrific, especially worrying about the effect on the younger sibling.

Still, at least their son is alive.

:rose:
Jessica

Sorry, I din't mean, try and hide it from him. That would be impossible. He can see it in the news media. I meant get him away from it. Move him out of state, and get him in a new school. Where hopefully no one has heard of this, and he can get on with his life. As for AS, he's gone anyway.

 

[johan555]

they remove pics here ?

 

[tlcya]

http://www.examiner.com/article/aus...se-defense-attorney-wants-justice-for-suspect

If a judge were to grant the defense&#8217; motion to transfer the case back to juvenile court for trial, and the defendant were to gain an earlier release than he is likelyto getin anadulttrial&#8212;andhewereto re-offend (commita similar abduction, rape, murder and dismemberment of another child), then the Colorado state legislators who were behind this new law, that limits prosecutor discretion, would likely not gain re-election when their terms were up.

In fact, they would likely experience backlash over the failure of the legislative system to allow the judicial system to do its job: protect the citizens and children of the state by prosecuting criminals to the fullest extent of the law &#8212;no matter how old they are when they commit their crimes.

 

[csziggy]

they remove pics here ?

Check the rules or email a moderator.

I think that pictures have to be from a main stream media (MSM) source with a link provided. It's part of the verifiable information need for people here. But I am not a moderator and at the moment can't find the TOS (Terms of Service) to check.

 

[tlcya]

they remove pics here ?

?

Not sure what you are referring to but if a post of yours has been deleted or editted by a mod I am sure a mod will explain why. To gain their attention quickly you coul d alert on your post using the triangle alert icon in the upper right corner of post box.

 

[KaaBoom]

I've lived with autism for close to 60 years now,

I have too.

BTW ether you have Asperger's or you don't. If you are not exhibiting all signs of it, then you don't have it.

 

[johan555]

Check the rules or email a moderator.

I think that pictures have to be from a main stream media (MSM) source with a link provided. It's part of the verifiable information need for people here. But I am not a moderator and at the moment can't find the TOS (Terms of Service) to check.

it was a google earth pic
and was removed without any message
it was 800 pix wide and that is allowed

mod Bessie wrote me this
keep images no more than 800px wide

 

[Confusion]

I have too.

BTW ether you have Asperger's or you don't. If you are not exhibiting all signs of it, then you don't have it.

I'm certainly glad you corrected the false information that the autism society and most other professionals cite. I'm not really sure what brought that on anyway. I said I don't have Asperger's and I don't have ALL signs of autism. In addition to that, I never said anything about how many of the signs my son exhibits. Since there is such a wide range of symptoms, depending on where you are on the spectrum, it's unlikely that many people exhibit all signs of it. Those who do are probably not going to be posting on a public message board, or communicating much at all.

 

[tlcya]

Ah the beauty of WS, so many differing skllls, opinions, viewpoints, beliefs and life experiences.

This is what keeps me here.

Anybody think AS attorney has a reasonable shot at the reverse transfer? I do not think he's got a snowballs chance.

 

[KaaBoom]

AS apparently brought his brother to school everyday Why a 13 year old boy does not take the bus to school makes no sense. Is there no busing?

Probably there are no busses. With school budget cuts over the last 30 or 40 years, school busses have become a rarity. And there isn't much public transit in a suburban area like that.

Jessica Ridgeway probably wouldn't have been walking to school, had there been a bus.

 

[otto]

they remove pics here ?

I thought the image you posted was a google map image, and didn't know that links were required when it was evident that it was google maps. Not sure ... maybe check with the moderators.

 

[DylansMom34]

I have too.

BTW ether you have Asperger's or you don't. If you are not exhibiting all signs of it, then you don't have it.

I signed on for the first time this morning and the Autism/Asperger's posts jumped out at me since my son has Asperger's Syndrome. Have I missed something suggesting that Sigg has HFA or Asperger's?

 

[otto]

it was a google earth pic
and was removed without any message
it was 800 pix wide and that is allowed

In my experience, some people have the screen resolution of their computers set higher than 100% ... this makes the text larger. It also makes the images larger, and I think that sometimes, even an 800 pixel wide image appears to blow margins on those computers where the screen resolution is really high. I don't think there's any way to fix that except for screen resolutions to be returned to 100%.

I sent you a private message that may clarify, but with only 24 posts, are you able to access private messages?

I'm particularly interested in how you would envision Austin pulling a u-turn and abducting Jessica, on which side of the road this happened, and how the tall fence on the "home" side of the road factors into this. I can't quite figure it out. Austin claims that he saw her, pulled a u-turn, turned around and came up behind her. If he parked in front of her, opened his door and grabbed her, this makes sense. If he came up behind her, then it seems to me that he had to have parked his car and then walked up behind her, grabbing her as she walked past his vehicle.

 

[tlcya]

I signed on for the first time this morning and the Autism/Asperger's posts jumped out at me since my son has Asperger's Syndrome. Have I missed something suggesting that Sigg has HFA or Asperger's?

No you haven't. You have missed only more speculation regarding AS personality and behaviors (what little we have heard about them) and whether sociopathy or any other personlity type or diagnosis may fit the admittedly sparse info we have about him.

Som members who have personal experience or knowlege of autism spectrum were noticing some possible similarities to reported behaviors.

 

[mck16]

In that district there is a fee for the bus I think as well. We were discussing it earlier in the case RE:Jessica.

FWIW, the girl that was missing in Firestone has been found. She called her mom yesterday. I am guessing she was a runaway but I didn't see it posted anywhere....just that she was found.

In JR's mothers interview she said that this year they had changed it to having to pay a fee. She asked JR if she wanted to ride the bus and JR told her she wanted to walk. Not verbatim but the jist of what she said.

 

[KaaBoom]

I doubt he's autistic but he may have an autism spectrum disorder.

Thats classified as the same thing now. If you are on the spectrum, you have autism.

The two can be confused, particularly when there is very little information available about the subject.

There is plenty of information available, if you look for it.

 

[johan555]

here is the link to the pic
it is a Google Earth shot of the Moore street


http://gaddafi.freesmfhosting.com/index.php/topic,70.msg420.html#msg420