CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #6

[Gabby66]

cluciano63, I honor and respect your opinion, but have you ever seen a sexual predator that begins to live out their deviant fantasies by dismembering their first victim? To escalate to this sadistical level of ritual murder usually takes years or decades and multiple victims.

GRAPHIC WARNING: And I wouldn't even know how one would go about that wihtout making a lot of noise. I'd think that people in surrounding homes would have noticed noise like that, coming from their neighbor's home. I suppose he could have taken her elsewhere, like to a cabin or something. Hopefully that's being investigated - how many close by neighbors own a cabin?

 

[GrainneDhu]

Does this all seem like an "instant replay" to you? The same things are being said as in the Evansdale disappearance. FBI has distributed the same list of "what to watch for", the same small town is asked to consider which of their neighbors must be responsible, the people in those small towns are being told that someone saw something ... it doesn't seem possible to me that all of a sudden two men that lived in two different small towns 800 miles apart grabbed one or two girls and made them disappear, and then returned to their lives in those same small towns.

It does seem like instant replay.

I will be surprised if the same perp is responsible for both although it is certainly possible. Joseph Duncan III was responsible for quite brazen crimes in widely separated locations.

One thing that is the same are the hints that point towards someone who has intimate knowledge of the area. The area the backpack was found in just doesn't look like a place someone would reach after dark without knowing about it, judging from the map.

One big difference is the placing of the backpack in an area where it was obvious Jessica could not have dropped it by herself. Elizabeth's little purple purse was so close to the bicycles that she may well have dropped it there herself.

I have a creepy feeling that this perp either has a scanner or listens to it online and he is getting some kind of sick jollies by causing LE swarms at will. It I am correct, then I expect him to leave more evidence somewhere else... and I'm guessing either northeast or southeast of Jessica's home.

 

[Gabby66]

I am also assuming that LE can tell by the condition of the body, whether it was dismembered by a killer or by an animal. Id' think that even a novice could probably tell that.

 

[andalso]

Can someone inform me when the presser is this afternoon? Please and thank you!

 

[Bipolar Express]

Yes we do. My cell phone doesn't work in the area where the body was found. I don't know if Verizon users can get a signal from that location.

You just made me think of something...I live in a remote area where there are NO towers for cell reception. However, I have Verizon and they offer a booster, that acts as a mini tower in your home so cell service in or around the property is possible. I have one and it works. I wonder if someone in the area uses one and if maybe if the perp was close enough at some point to have his cell ping. I'm not sure if pings can be read from those boosters....anyone here know?

 

[cluciano63]

Can someone inform me when the presser is this afternoon? Please and thank you!

No time has been announced yet.

 

[luckyme]

GRAPHIC WARNING: And I wouldn't even know how one would go about that wihtout making a lot of noise. I'd think that people in surrounding homes would have noticed noise like that, coming from their neighbor's home. I suppose he could have taken her elsewhere, like to a cabin or something. Hopefully that's being investigated - how many close by neighbors own a cabin?

Melanie mcguire dismembered her husband in the bathroom of her town home! :what:

 

[Foxfire]

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/27/s...-cases-offer-clues.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Who Would Abduct a Child? Previous Cases Offer Clues

By MARY DUENWALD
Published: August 27, 2002
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What kind of person does such a thing?

After studying hundreds of cases, scientists can provide at least a partial answer. The broad population of child molesters, most of whom do not abduct their victims, is too diverse to fit a single psychological profile, but the far smaller group of those who abduct and keep children for sexual abuse share common traits.

 

[nursebeeme]

GRAPHIC WARNING: And I wouldn't even know how one would go about that wihtout making a lot of noise. I'd think that people in surrounding homes would have noticed noise like that, coming from their neighbor's home. I suppose he could have taken her elsewhere, like to a cabin or something. Hopefully that's being investigated - how many close by neighbors own a cabin?

if someone took her out of the area to a cabin why would they bring her back to the area that is crawling with cops and searchers?

(just throwing that out there as a thought)

 

[andalso]

Can someone set me straight on appx. how much snow there was the morning Jessica went missing? Ummm...and there was snow that morning, right?

 

[GrainneDhu]

I've thought about this too. There's enough stuff on TV showing how people cover up crimes, on the CSI type shows, that I think a lot of inexperienced killers might be able to figure out to dismember a body to get rid of evidence. But.....I got the feeling that maybe there was more. Perhaps it's the WAY in which it was done that leads FBI to think the guy is experienced. Perhaps it was his Brazen approach to leaving the backpack. I'm sure they analyze everything. I'm thinking that an inexperienced guy may dismember, but would he fold up clothing and place it all in a backpack (assuming that was even done), then leave it out in the open? I don't know. I'm just saying that who knows what LE has that we don't know about yet? There could be many factors pointing to this being someone who's experienced???

Has the FBI said they think this is an experienced perp or was it just Clint van Zant, retired FBI and now a talking head?

 

[TxLady2]

So here is what i think...very gruesome, but makes sense to me. The perp killed Jessica, and took her clothes, glasses, and anything else on her body that would help identify her, placed all in the backpack and discarded to get rid of any identifying evidence. I think he then disposed of head (so face and teeth can not be seen to identify), hands and feet also to get rid of identifying purposes. Makes me sick, but this is what I think happened.

If he dismembered her to prevent or delay any identification, then why would he put her clothes and glasses into her backpack and drop them off on a sidewalk for anybody to find? Doesn't make sense.

One question has popped into my mind. IIRC, LE had a pretty good idea that the body found was Jessica. If there was no head, then what would have given them the idea it was her? My guess is that parts of her clothing were found either on her or nearby, and it matched the description of what she was last seen wearing. Makes me think that it's possible animals could have been at the body. If it was lying out there in the open for days, then it's possible. There had to be something that made them suspicious that it was her, other than just a torso. IDK, just trying to make the facts fit logically, but I know that logic has nothing to do with these cases.

 

[passionflower]

has any RSO just been released from prison in CO area???

 

[JenWilkersonseeker]

There is an rso on my raidar whose own daughter was around Jessica's age when she died and her date of death was 9/27, many years ago. I just don't know how to find out how she died, or more about his crimes. I'm just thinking it's possible that the anniversary of her death may have triggered something in him? Idk.

 

[GrainneDhu]

cluciano63, I honor and respect your opinion, but have you ever seen a sexual predator that begins to live out their deviant fantasies by dismembering their first victim? To escalate to this sadistical level of ritual murder usually takes years or decades and multiple victims.

Someone linked upthread did so: Michael Briere.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Briere"]Michael Briere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[nursebeeme]

Has the FBI said they think this is an experienced perp or was it just Clint van Zant, retired FBI and now a talking head?

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21754575/fbi-look-strange-behavior-suspect

here is what the fbi agent said. (nothing on "experienced" that I heard)

 

[manybooks]

Just a comment on the quote that incudes "body was not intact" (sorry i dont know how to copy and paste that on my tablet) knowing that area - could this be due to coyotes or other wildlife?

 

[angelmom]

I've thought about this too. There's enough stuff on TV showing how people cover up crimes, on the CSI type shows, that I think a lot of inexperienced killers might be able to figure out to dismember a body to get rid of evidence. But.....I got the feeling that maybe there was more. Perhaps it's the WAY in which it was done that leads FBI to think the guy is experienced. Perhaps it was his Brazen approach to leaving the backpack. I'm sure they analyze everything. I'm thinking that an inexperienced guy may dismember, but would he fold up clothing and place it all in a backpack (assuming that was even done), then leave it out in the open? I don't know. I'm just saying that who knows what LE has that we don't know about yet? There could be many factors pointing to this being someone who's experienced???

I haven't really said this yet, but the very first images of the people taking pictures and viewing the scene from the top of the firetruck ladder made me wonder if there was some sort of staging that they wanted to photograph before they moved or disturbed anything. It would also help them to (possibly) see where any other missing evidence might be.

I don't know why, but I am reminded of the case at the University of Florida where the college students were dismembered and displayed. That case is very different in most ways, but it keeps popping into my head.

In that case, Danny Rolling had murdered before, but no one knew that until after he had been caught and tried for the UF murders.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Rolling"]Danny Rolling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Foxfire]

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/investigators/serial_killers.html#4

Serial Killers – A Homicide Detective’s Take

Genesis of a Serial Killer
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Serial killers frequently suffer from low self-esteem, often complicated by some sort of sexual dysfunction. Many were themselves the victims of sexual abuse and/or were raised in violent households

For those who develop into serial killers, at some point imaginary scenarios start to become insufficient.

This is a big step, even for a highly aberrant mind. The perpetrator himself may be shocked and frightened, even disgusted, and it may take a while for the first-time murderer to reestablish his personal mandate. While doing so, he may relive his actions over and over in his mind, thus receiving again that gratification obtained during the actual murder and, perhaps, by doing so actually setting the stage for his progression. Some killers take something, a trophy if you will, from their victim. It may be an article of clothing or a photograph, a swatch of hair or piece of jewelry, something of use to embellish their mental re-living of their actions. This suffices for a while but, in time, their ability mentally to revisit their victim’s demise will fade. By the time this happens, if he has reconstructed his entitlement and begins to hunt another victim, such a person has come to fit the classical mold of a serial killer.

4. Victim Selection
How does a serial killer select victims? The traditional school of thought holds that generally they select victims based on certain physical and/or personal characteristics. This assertion presupposes that, within the mind of each serial killer, there evolves synthesis of preferred characteristics and, ultimately, a clear, specific picture of his “ideal” victim, be it male or female, black or white, young or old, short or tall, large busted or small, shy or forward, and so on. Then, when that “typical” serial killer begins an active search for human prey, he will go to certain lengths to capture and victimize only those individuals who closely fit the mold.

Unexpectedly, I have observed that most serial killers never actually find and kill their “dream victim.” People fitting such detailed and perfected images may not only be hard to come by, but may also not be easily available in the venues haunted by “hunting” serial killers. So when that ideal victim cannot be found, and when their internal impetus becomes powerful enough, they will settle for a substitute. Ignoring for a moment the disparity between deviant human and normal feline behavior, a serial killer can be compared to a hungry lion that lies in wait for his favorite meal. It may be the lion knows an impala has the most tender or tasty meat. He waits for an opportunity to kill and eat the impala and in doing so may allow easy but not-so-attractive prey to pass unmolested. In time, hunger pains growing and no impala in sight, the famished lion will settle for an unwary bird that happens by. After devouring the bird, which gives his hunger a brief respite, the lion again has time to savor the taste of an impala, and the cycle begins again.

Like the lion, a serial killer just will not defer acting out his urge to kill simply because his “ideal” victim refuses to materialize at his beck and call. But his reason for settling for something less divulges from that of the lion. There are two basic, interrelated reasons for this disparity. The first centers on the extra caution exercised by a serial killer in his search for a victim; the second, upon the nature of the compulsion that drives him to violence.

 

[Bipolar Express]

if someone took her out of the area to a cabin why would they bring her back to the area that is crawling with cops and searchers?

(just throwing that out there as a thought)

To taunt police and the public. Particularly if this person has gotten away with similar crimes. He may think he's smarter than everyone else and is getting brave and careless. Most sociopaths believe everyone else is stupid, so when they get comfortable they do stupid things.

Either that or he wants to be caught on some level. I believe Joseph Duncan wanted to be caught....why else would he bring Shasta all the way back to her home town and into a Denny's? He was done...he wanted it all to be over.