CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #8

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  • #101
If it was actually in the culvert, that makes me go back to thinking it was animals, probably coyotes or wild dogs.

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A bear will hang around and eat where it's at, chasing off coyotes and other predators. A coyote will drag food back to its den, where it can eat without worrying so much about becoming bear food.

That culvert looks like the kind of place a coyote would drag food to.

I feel like if her condition was due to animals then it would be soon released to the public that it was so. I don't remember any other missing person cases where animals got to the body so soon, even in a more remote location. Media is saying "not intact", "dismembered", and "mutilated". They could be wrong but I have never seen a case where media has said this and it been from animals and not the perp. It's always a possibility but IMO unlikely. Why frighten the community and absolutely break the hearts and disgust the family if this is not the truth? I think LE would make a statement about it soon if this is untrue. I have seen media say from animals before so a correction could be made as soon as the coroner inspects the body and I am positive that has already been done.
JMO
 
  • #102
Same here. I can only access via Kindle. Not from phone or any browser on computer. (Cleared cache and rdbooted even)
I only get an ad

I'm on my iPhone with no problems ??
 
  • #103
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And -- if he does live in the mountains, wouldn't he be able to access this area without having to go under the barbed-wire fence that has been mentioned in earlier posts?

A barbed-wire fence isn't much of an obstacle if you're used to them. They're meant to keep cattle in, not to keep people out. It's pretty easy to go between the wires, or under the lowest wire.
 
  • #104
I feel like if her condition was due to animals then it would be soon released to the public that it was so. I don't remember any other missing person cases where animals got to the body so soon, even in a more remote location. Media is saying "not intact", "dismembered", and "mutilated". They could be wrong but I have never seen a case where media has said this and it been from animals and not the perp. It's always a possibility but IMO unlikely. Why frighten the community and absolutely break the hearts and disgust the family if this is not the truth? I think LE would make a statement about it soon if this is untrue. I have seen media say from animals before so a correction could be made as soon as the coroner inspects the body and I am positive that has already been done.
JMO

It can be very difficult to determine.

And no, ME around here would not say that. Maybe it's because MA is a more urban area, but people would find that even worse than anything the murderer might have done.
 
  • #105
Same here. I can only access via Kindle. Not from phone or any browser on computer. (Cleared cache and rdbooted even)
I only get an ad

The server must be having problems, I have been in a slight state of panic all morning because I all I am getting is the title bar, nothing else!
 
  • #106
This RSO pretty creepily matches the Arvanda sketches and lives near the area where the police moved in on. :what:

Okay, that guy is the first one I've seen that I've thought bears more than a passing resemblance to the Arvada sketch. Did you report it to the Arvada police? It probably has no bearing on Jessica's case, but they sure need to check out whether he's the Arvada guy.
 
  • #107
Anyone else having problems with the forum loading?
Can only get on with Opera browser.

I'm still having trouble too.
 
  • #108
I believe he dumped that backpack where he did because it was the neighborhood of Boulder County's most recent child killing case. Every neighborhood has blind spots in it...

Whoa, what murder was that? Also, is Rock Creek in Boulder County?
 
  • #109
So I keep looking at the map. I don't know why, really... I just keep looking at the roads wondering how what got to where. How it happened, I guess. I feel really upset about this, and maybe I should declare a moratorium on reading the news or this site for a couple of days because it's 2am and I'm still reading. I guess it hits close to home because I have a daughter the same age.

O/T: Last night at dinner, my daughter, her boyfriend and I were discussing (with regard to my niece and nephew) whether or not 10 is too young to have a cellphone. He asked how old SHE was when she got hers. She was 10. He seemed surprised, but at that time I was working half an hour away from home, and we lived on a street where all of the houses but ours (which was split up into several small apartments) were either vacant or burned down. Across the street was a large, old cemetery. The bus picked her up and dropped her off 2 blocks from the house, but I felt that I needed to be able to be sure she had gotten home after school okay. I called the apartment to be sure she was home if she had not called me within a reasonable time after school.
The impetus for her getting a (prepaid) phone was that (for reasons I can no longer remember) on certain days she walked from school to the public library, and I picked her up there after work. One one such occasion, I arrived at the library to find that it had closed more than an hour earlier. She was nowhere in sight. I rushed home, expecting to find her. She was not there. I went to the school (3 miles from home), which was locked, but saw a light on in the principal's office and knocked on the glass to get his attention. We spoke, and she was not there, and had not been there since leaving for the library at the end of the school day.
I drove back and forth between home, the library, and school, checking the home phone for messages, and looking for any indication of her along the way. I called her father who lived an hour away to let him know. I contacted her former stepfather, who lived on the same street as the library to see if she was there. I did not want to call the police prematurely, so I drove back and forth to the various locations, expecting she'd show up at one of them sooner or later. I wrote a note and taped it to the library door, and left another at the apartment telling her to wait there for me. I spent over an hour covering the same ground.
Somehow, I ended up at the home of a boy she used to have a crush on, who lived between the library and the ex-stepdad's house, on the same road, and she was there. The mother told me my daughter had showed up cold and wet some time after the library had closed. She had been making calls every fifteen minutes hoping to reach me, but my daughter had accidentally transposed two of the digits of our phone number.
I was upset and relieved, all at the same time. As we drove home, she told me to stop at a little bridge so she could get her "stuff". When the entire story came out, she told me that she had tried to walk home from the library when it closed, but it was cold, and drizzling rain, and her bookbag got heavy. She made it about 1/3 of the way before she realized she could not go on. She decided to go back to the boy's house, which was closer than home, but left her bookbag beside the bridge.
If I had noticed it there prior to locating her, I would definitely have called the police. To me, the idea that she would just walk away from her bookbag was unthinkable. I'd have been certain she'd been taken. Luckily it ended well, but she got a cell phone shortly thereafter.

So because her route, from house to park and then park to school, was entirely in these sorts of suburban, stay in the neighborhood sorts of roads, it just seems to me that the person who did this either lives there, or was there on a job. Or had been there on a job before. I just don't see how it could be different and make any sense. What would lead someone to just happen to be driving around in there at that time of morning for it to be a crime of opportunity from outside that neighborhood?
I remember the same question being asked when Sierra Lamar disappeared on her way to the bus stop. She lived on a cul de sac, and had apparently been grabbed on that road. It was suspected that a neighbor must have been involved for exactly the reasons you stated. When they arrested her killer, it turned out he had no connection to her neighborhood, and did not know her before abducting her. For this reason, I am keeping an open mind about Jessica's kidnapper.
 
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The server must be having problems, I have been in a slight state of panic all morning because I all I am getting is the title bar, nothing else!

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  • #112
http://www.9news.com/news/article/294140/188/Inside-the-mind-of-Jessicas-killer

Former FBI profiler Mary Ellen O'Toole told 9News on Friday that she has noticed an apparent contradiction with the killer's behavior.

She said the location of where the body was found tells her that the killer wanted the body to be found. Yet the fact that the body was not left intact tells her that there might have been an effort to make identification all the more difficult.

"Why that location? Why would you put someone there if you're trying to delay identification?" she asked. "You leave remains where you know they're going to be found? Those two things go against each other."
 
  • #113
I also don't believe he lives in the town. To me it would be idiotic to prey upon children where you live. It would make you more easily caught. So if this perp has half a brain he doesn't live in Westminister.

If he put the body in the pipe, I think he must be a local to have been aware the pipe even existed. He has probably walked there before on foot, whether it was picking up cans, enjoying nature or whatever.

Guys do stupid things all of the time when they think with their <modsnip>. The perp is the pedophile/murderer/nutjob version of it.
 
  • #114
There are two SO's who live near 82nd(Lyden RD) and Quaker. Type Lyden Colorado in the search box https://www.crimereports.com/

I also searched Moore Circle (I know that isn't Jessica's street name but it hits her street on the map) in Westminster, CO and there 4 SO's in that area.

I like this map because it shows crimes in a specific area for a specified period of time.

SO closest to the remains site caught my eye as I'm thinking he might have wanted to keep the body close and also be able to see all the action first hand when she was found.
 
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If he put the body in the pipe, I think he must be a local to have been aware the pipe even existed. He has probably walked there before on foot, whether it was picking up cans, enjoying nature or whatever.

Guys do stupid things all of the time when they think with their prick. The perp is the pedophile/murderer/nutjob version of it.

Anybody who grew up in open spaces would probably anticipate there was going to be a culvert at the bottom of that ravine where water runs under the highway. Even at night you could spot where it would have to be just by looking at the terrain.

That said, I agree that he seems to be somebody who walks or maybe runs.
 
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  • #118
Are there houses (not including the shack) that have a view of the dump site?
 
  • #119
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I think it's wrong to take anyone's name from any registry (even a RSO) and put it out there on this (or any) site. Yes, I know they are people who are in the system as a S.O. and yes I know that means they have to be looked at, as they should, by the authorities.

People love to imagine they are a detective in the case and theorize and speculate, but I think it's dangerous and unfair and crosses a line to post names or provide links to people that are imagined as being involved. If you have a real lead, then give it to the CO police and don't post about it. Otherwise, let the authorities do their job; they will be following every lead, checking out every S.O. in the area, and are able to do so professionally and discreetly.
 
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