Found Deceased CO - Joseph Keller, 18, Antonito, 23 July 2015 - #1

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  • #281
After reading the first interview yesterday by Neal Keller, i have more facts. I couldnt link it but its on FindJoeKeller page.

The reason im leaning towards foul play is the Detectives Sheriff Watson sent. They are highly trained, the best on the force. Im sure they set aside cases to stop and pursue a missing teen. I believe the area was thoughly search by volunteers and local police.


As more comes out, i may change my mind again.
 
  • #282
I was just throwing out thoughts. Since the family is now speaking out, Treelights confirmed he was at the ranch my position has changed. Im going with abduction by a stranger. Its. A cold case now. I doubt we will ever know what happened to Joe. Thanks for the forum.
Since this is a comment from facebook, it is considered a rumor, but this link
states by someone with the R-S last name, RMR-S (the same R-S last name that Joe's brother has),
that he was seen at the ranch by the Aunt, Uncle's dad, and cousin.
This comment is from the visitors posts from August 3rd, and the reply from the R-S last name is August 4th.
Also, there's Another post on there by D R-S that confirms Joe arrived.

https://www.facebook.com/FindJoeKel...&total_comments=5&comment_tracking={"tn":"R"}
That's what I got out of that statement that the cousin saw Joe leave, now it does not say if CG seen at that time with Joe. If so then CG would be the last person to see Joe.
There seems to be no question in the family's mind that he was at the ranch. Since his family would OBVIOUSLY be aware if Joe's friends showed up at the ranch without Joe, that's enough for me. Joe made it to the ranch.
This is HUGE. You're right, Ceci, it changes everything.

So why is LE saying it might be foul play, and why'd they call off the search. CALL THE SEARCH BACK ON! NOW!!! Get anyone you can to help!!! WTF?
 
  • #283
After reading the first interview yesterday by Neal Keller, i have more facts. I couldnt link it but its on FindJoeKeller page.

The reason im leaning towards foul play is the Detectives Sheriff Watson sent. They are highly trained, the best on the force. Im sure they set aside cases to stop and pursue a missing teen. I believe the area was thoughly search by volunteers and local police.

As more comes out, i may change my mind again.
That's how this place tends to work. Every new nugget has a person second guessing what they were so certain of only the day before. Let's talk it out.

Even if Joe made it there, you are right that something sinister could have happened. That makes him findable though, right? What's your theory?
 
  • #284
I find it interesting that now the mom and dad are speaking, but yet I haven't seen the ranch owners that are family speak about Joe in MSM.
In fact, the MSM article, from the timesfreepress, mentions that a man that owned some fishing lodges let the Kellers stay for free.
Was the Rainbow Trout Ranch booked up so they couldn't stay there?
Is the Rainbow Trout Ranch distancing themselves publicity wise from the case of missing Joe?
The Rainbow Trout Ranch has gotten lots of publicity though, because of Joe being missing.

https://www.facebook.com/FindJoeKeller/posts/926992094031287

IMOO.
 
  • #285
I find it interesting that now the mom and dad are speaking, but yet I haven't seen the ranch owners that are family speak about Joe in MSM.
In fact, the MSM article, from the timesfreepress, mentions that a man that owned some fishing lodges let the Kellers stay for free.
Was the Rainbow Trout Ranch booked up so they couldn't stay there?
Is the Rainbow Trout Ranch distancing themselves publicity wise from the case of missing Joe?
The Rainbow Trout Ranch has gotten lots of publicity though, because of Joe being missing.

https://www.facebook.com/FindJoeKeller/posts/926992094031287

IMOO.
That's an interesting point that makes you go hmmmmmmm. I wonder what the family dynamics are.

Joe is very handsome, appears to be charming, like able, and magnetic. In general, other people are jealous of charismatic people like that.
 
  • #286
That's an interesting point that makes you go hmmmmmmm. I wonder what the family dynamics are.

Joe is very handsome, appears to be charming, like able, and magnetic. In general, other people are jealous of charismatic people like that.

I am also wondering if the Sheriff asked the owners of the Rainbow Trout Ranch (who are relatives) not to speak?
Is that why they are quiet?
IMOO.
 
  • #287
I am also wondering if the Sheriff asked the owners of the Rainbow Trout Ranch (who are relatives) not to speak?
Is that why they are quiet?
IMOO.
I think that is the case. The part I found peculiar was the sleeping arrangements.
 
  • #288
I find it interesting that now the mom and dad are speaking, but yet I haven't seen the ranch owners that are family speak about Joe in MSM.
In fact, the MSM article, from the timesfreepress, mentions that a man that owned some fishing lodges let the Kellers stay for free.
Was the Rainbow Trout Ranch booked up so they couldn't stay there?
Is the Rainbow Trout Ranch distancing themselves publicity wise from the case of missing Joe?
The Rainbow Trout Ranch has gotten lots of publicity though, because of Joe being missing.

https://www.facebook.com/FindJoeKeller/posts/926992094031287

IMOO.
I found the fact that they didn't stay at the Ranch very odd as well. I also wonder why they are not speaking out or being interviewed for the article.
 
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I found the fact that they didn't stay at the Ranch very odd as well. I also wonder why they are not speaking out or being interviewed for the article.

It's strange, isn't it?
IMOO.
 
  • #291
And who filed the police report?
Was it Joe's parents when they showed up to search on the next day, which was his 19th birthday?
Maybe that's why the police report was delayed?
All my opinion because I don't know who filed the report, but early MSM reports mentioned a police report had not been filed immediately.
IMOO.
 
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I found the fact that they didn't stay at the Ranch very odd as well. I also wonder why they are not speaking out or being interviewed for the article.

In this newest visitor post, Joe's mom thanks a multitude of people for their search efforts. One of those included she mentions Rainbow and their Wranglers for searching on horses through the canyons and the surrounding area.

So, perhaps the ranch was all booked up, or perhaps it was decided if they stayed elsewhere it would not interfere with the Daily business of the ranch itself, as that is a business.
Although it does seem odd, it also does make sense to stay elsewhere, so that the people that did book their vacation at the dude ranch, could still enjoy it without the press there, perhaps? All just speculation...
IMOO.

https://www.facebook.com/FindJoeKeller/posts/928246943905802
 
  • #294
sadly, I don't think he will be found alive. I'm leaning toward stranger abduction or possible foul play by friends. jmo
 
  • #295
One thing I find particularly unusual about this case is how little information (even the most basic kind) LE have shared with the public. I completely understand they do this (to a degree) in almost every case, in order to protect the integrity of their investigations, but with Joe's case, so little has been revealed that it's almost as though they really are not looking for help from the public, but rather, they already have a good idea as to what happened, who is responsible, and it's just a matter of whether they can get that key piece of information out of the perpetrator(s) and/or find Joe that would lead to an arrest(s).

If it isn't too much trouble (you already know the answer), would anyone care to answer either of the following questions?

1. Have LE identified the most recent/last picture of Joe? Kids his age are taking photos 24/7. I understand that his travel companions have posted some pictures of them from when they visited the Lake Tahoe, Grand Canyon, etc. on their social media pages, but if LE are truly looking for information from the public, wouldn't they normally release a photo of Joe from the day he disappeared, the day before, etc. and say, "This is what he looked like right before he disappeared?"

2. It has been alleged that Joe disappeared in the afternoon of July 23rd. It seems like I have read at one point or another that his two friends left Colorado immediately (the same day or the next), and that Joe's disappearance didn't even come to light until the 26th. Is this something that has been confirmed via MSM reports and/or an insider? Or, if it is a rumor, where did it come from? I don't know anyone that would do that. Personally, I might look for him for an hour or so on my own, but then after that call the police. If this is really what they did, I really would like to know their reason for it. That would be such a strange thing to do.
 
  • #296
One thing I find particularly unusual about this case is how little information (even the most basic kind) LE have shared with the public. I completely understand they do this (to a degree) in almost every case, in order to protect the integrity of their investigations, but with Joe's case, so little has been revealed that it's almost as though they really are not looking for help from the public, but rather, they already have a good idea as to what happened, who is responsible, and it's just a matter of whether they can get that key piece of information out of the perpetrator(s) and/or find Joe that would lead to an arrest(s).

If it isn't too much trouble (you already know the answer), would anyone care to answer either of the following questions?

1. Have LE identified the most recent/last picture of Joe? Kids his age are taking photos 24/7. I understand that his travel companions have posted some pictures of them from when they visited the Lake Tahoe, Grand Canyon, etc. on their social media pages, but if LE are truly looking for information from the public, wouldn't they normally release a photo of Joe from the day he disappeared, the day before, etc. and say, "This is what he looked like right before he disappeared?"

2. It has been alleged that Joe disappeared in the afternoon of July 23rd. It seems like I have read at one point or another that his two friends left Colorado immediately (the same day or the next), and that Joe's disappearance didn't even come to light until the 26th. Is this something that has been confirmed via MSM reports and/or an insider? Or, if it is a rumor, where did it come from? I don't know anyone that would do that. Personally, I might look for him for an hour or so on my own, but then after that call the police. If this is really what they did, I really would like to know their reason for it. That would be such a strange thing to do.

Jumping off your post:
This really isn't answering your questions per say, but the comment from 17 days ago (Rumors) to the link to this KRDO article, explains about the missing persons report being filed by the family that Arrived in Colorado.

Would that be Joe's parents? In a different MSM article, the parents were said to have arrived in Colorado the very next day, which was Joe's 19th birthday.

ALSO, Joe's brother, J R-S, answers some questions in the comments, (from 8 days ago) including that (Rumor), Joe and his friend split up about a half mile into the run.

http://www.krdo.com/news/crews-searching-for-man-missing-from-conejos-county/34361954

I agree that LE hasn't shared much concerning Joe and the circumstances about his disappearance, or info about his disappearance, if you will.

What I have gleaned,was from reading MSM articles, comments from relatives, and the facebook.
Some of these could be rumors, are rumors.

What are the Known facts to this case without having to read Comments from articles? TOS states comments and facebook are considered rumors, so what really are the facts?

That he is missing, his parents arrived the next day in Colorado, his ranch family is not speaking (that I am aware of), finally some of his immediate family are speaking; there have been searches for him, and his friends are back in Tennessee. Tennessee sent some detectives to help the Conejos County Sheriff's Office in respect to Joe Keller. What else is known?

IMOO.
 
  • #297
Question.
Why didn't Joseph and Collin run together?

sorry I just jumped in here.
 
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  • #299
Question.
Why didn't Joseph and Collin run together?

sorry I just jumped in here.

Answered a little while back but will explain again. They wouldn't have run at the same pace, Joseph was a slower runner and wouldn't have been able to keep up without Collin slowing down to an uncomfortable pace. When two runners have very different comfortable speeds it's not considered rude for the faster runner to go off on their own since running too slowly for very long not only feels very uncomfortable but also can cause injury problems ( stride is affected which means gait becomes unnatural and taxes muscles/changes foot and weight placement etc.)

If they did set off on a run together it probably would have been slightly more unusual for them to run the whole way together than not, based on their previous race results. Hope that helps.
 
  • #300
Answered a little while back but will explain again. They wouldn't have run at the same pace, Joseph was a slower runner and wouldn't have been able to keep up without Collin slowing down to an uncomfortable pace. When two runners have very different comfortable speeds it's not considered rude for the faster runner to go off on their own since running too slowly for very long not only feels very uncomfortable but also can cause injury problems ( stride is affected which means gait becomes unnatural and taxes muscles/changes foot and weight placement etc.)

If they did set off on a run together it probably would have been slightly more unusual for them to run the whole way together than not, based on their previous race results. Hope that helps.

Thank You!
See I just thought them being on vacation they would jog along together. Oh well!

he jogged for a half hr then turned around
someone driving never saw him running behind Collin

Now was he ever out there running at all or did something happen to him as soon as they started.
 
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