Found Deceased CO - Joseph Keller, 18, Antonito, 23 July 2015 - #1

[Treelights]

Was the friend that ran/jogged, under the impression that they both were running/jogging the same direction on the same road, or was the plan to run/jog different roads or different directions?
It was said, Rumor, by Joe's brother that they split up a half mile in to the run.
Why would Joe jog a half mile, then decide to jog back to where he was originally, if that occurred?
Why would Joe jog a half mile with his friend, then decide in the midst of the jog, to change course?
Wouldn't they have agreed from the start where they would jog?
Wouldn't you tell your running/jogging partner the route you would take?
Why would you let your running/jogging partner think you were running the same direction he was, if that was not the case?
Especially if something occurs... whether an accident or foul play.
IMOO.

 

[Treelights]

Ive concluded Joe went off on a trail to explore and had an accident. He had hiked the Appalachian Trail.





IMO, i believe the boys are innocent. I did have doubts early on due to the silence.

I have a feeling come hunting season that his remains will be found. As awful as it sounds, but animals will scatter the remains, to put it delicately.

These boys has to live with this and its affects can be devastating. CF decided to take a nap instead of jogging is what i heard. Sounds reasonable. They had been driving alot.

But why would he go off the road to a trail to Explore, when they were due back for dinner after their jog/run?
Their run was supposed to be an hour, half hour one way, half hour back.
IMOO.

 

[GigTu]

Ive concluded Joe went off on a trail to explore and had an accident. He had hiked the Appalachian Trail.




IMO, i believe the boys are innocent. I did have doubts early on due to the silence.

I have a feeling come hunting season that his remains will be found. As awful as it sounds, but animals will scatter the remains, to put it delicately.

These boys has to live with this and its affects can be devastating. CF decided to take a nap instead of jogging is what i heard. Sounds reasonable. They had been driving alot.

If the Aunt, Uncle and cousin really saw Joe, then I'm 100% in agreement.

My only concern, which I stated earlier, is that it IS possible that he could be alive even now, if he's resourceful. I really wish SAR would repeat their searches just in case.

 

[ceci]

They left at 4:30 was suppose to meet back up at 5:30. I doubt dinner was served that early. CG stated it was at dinner he got concerned. CG just thought he was exploring or went for a swim so it wasnt till dinner that people. Started to worry and look. A couple of hrs had probably already passed by then. Plus how dark it was outside. Also, since they called the police after midnight, it was technically the next day making it look like it was delayed. I think the Kellers regret not speaking out sooner but was doing what the LE told them.

Hopefully Bradley Co dectectives can shed some light. Im glad CG is speaking out but CF needs to also. His fb page about the Packers looks odd when hes posted nothing even now that the gag order has been lifted.
Lisa Tate Fetzners rant (that she deleted quickly) was not about the Kellers but what a hardship it was on them with people questioning her son.

 

[T4Tide]

But why would he go off the road to a trail to Explore, when they were due back for dinner after their jog/run?
Their run was supposed to be an hour, half hour one way, half hour back.
IMOO.

TMI, but he could have needed to pee, or worse, poop. I'm not a runner, but I've heard that running makes some people have to poop. Think about that scenario. He'd go farther in the woods than expected, and he'd have his shorts around his ankles (unless he took them off.) He could have fallen in a small crevice covered by leaves or foliage. If he fell backwards in this position, he could be wedged bent double, with his knees up to his chest, making it close to impossible to even call out if searchers came his way.

But why would he go off the road to a trail to Explore, when they were due back for dinner after their jog/run?
Their run was supposed to be an hour, half hour one way, half hour back.
IMOO.

 

[pinklilies]

No worries, it didn't sound flippant at all! I wouldn't have realized the regularity with which this happens if I hadn't heard the stories and seen similar behavior first-hand myself. Also, except for one particular case where the offender had charges brought and my friends testified in court, most of the young men never reported the episodes of being chased to the police. They figured they'd only look like scaredy cats and there was nothing the tormentors could be charged with anyway.

Very true. Everything you describe, I think happens more to cyclists here in the UK, I can't say I hear of it in the news with runners even though no doubt it does happen but I won't get off topic. Thanks for the insight.
I too think his mates are innocent and J has run off the route, sharpish, for whatever reason.

 

[Treelights]

I was under the impression that they were jogging/running on the forest service road only.
Evidently, the friend went to look for a hiking trail, which is RUMOR.
Maybe Joe went off the road then too, maybe he tried to look for a hiking trail that went to the top of the ridge?
IMOO.
These posts are from Joe's brother, about Joe.

http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2617418

Also, this in particular:

http://www.ttora.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2617418&postcount=6

 

[aussiegran]

Yes, it's odd. He doesn't fit the typical abductee profile. Not a child, not a female. Most news stories on this case don't even mention that he went running with CG. The fact they would have been separated for 30 minutes maximum really narrows down his location and time of disappearance. SAR teams in a mountainous area are probably very good and experienced. Mountain lion attack would have left evidence. Dogs couldn't pick up the scent? Someone said that's not unusual. Was there any weather between the time of the canine search and JK's disappearance? Speculation - something went wrong and the other two panicked. Drug overdose or accident as a result of drug use. They were afraid of the consequences and/or having to divulge the drug source. Not saying they're bad kids. Teenagers think they're invincible and like to experiment. We all did!

100% agree

 

[Eileen730]

JMO
I do not think he was abducted!

 

[GigTu]

I was under the impression that they were jogging/running on the forest service road only.
Evidently, the friend went to look for a hiking trail, which is RUMOR.
Maybe Joe went off the road then too, maybe he tried to look for a hiking trail that went to the top of the ridge?

I just wish we had known this rumor of the boys intending to look for ridge trails from the git-go, and that CG supposedly did leave the road briefly to do that very thing. It seems we would want to know if Joe was still running beside CG up to the point, because wouldn't CG have lost sight of Joe at THAT point? We would then want to know how long CG was off the forest service road. That would narrow the beginning search points by so much!

Assuming they each veered off to find a trail also narrows the search because we can then assume Joe headed in the 'uphill' direction. If they really believe Joe could have made it all the way to La Jara with no food, water or warm clothing, then he can clearly survive being lost on a ridge trail. Armchair sleuthers have access to Google maps and we could be of great help. We've wasted valuable time. I don't think it's too late, yet.

JOE COULD STILL BE ALIVE if he's resourceful. Time is of the essence.

Why is this information top secret in the eyes of LE? Because it's hearsay? So what, let's find this kid!!! Why not allow the world to come over and help search? Why hide Joe's MP status and sweep it under the rug? It will cost this kid his life! Hiding his missing status does not find Joe. Poor kid.

 

[GigTu]

Were they originally headed east, or west on FDR250? Why don't we know this most basic information?

 

[drjones]

Hate to say it but after a few days he was either deceased or not going to be found by any amount of spreading the word or searching. This was a particularly strong healthy resourceful intelligent guy.

Just my opinion as bleak as it is.

 

[drjones]

Were they originally headed east, or west on FDR250? Why don't we know this most basic information?

I feel it had to have been west, just looking at the map. If they went east they would have been in "town" and I think we would have heard about some detail that gave that away.
And also some of the details we have been told/found about what they did only match up distance wise if they head west imo.

 

[GigTu]

Where is the "lodge"?

 

[GigTu]

Hate to say it but after a few days he was either deceased or not going to be found by any amount of spreading the word or searching. This was a particularly strong healthy resourceful intelligent guy.

Just my opinion as bleak as it is.

Or injured, and crawling around suffering. Dead or alive, he isn't far from RTR.

 

[terracotta]

I have been following this case since the beginning. It is always hard to think that a person just goes "poof" and no one can find them. But I'm with T4Tide....he might have had to go to the bathroom....and took a potty break and fell. He may be lodged between rocks/trees or at the bottom of some area that is hard to get to and thus no one has found him.

Also since it was the first day of their 4-5 days stay there, maybe he was exploring some trails to run on, like his friend was doing. Could have fallen into some kind of ditch/hole/between rocks etc.

I think like many of these hiking and forest missing persons....the person will be found close to where they were last scene. It makes the most sense.

He seems like such a great guy. I'm sad for his family and friends.

I would think a very detailed search within a 5 mile radius will find him.

I have hiked for years...I go off trail....scale rocks for views etc. So if I slipped there wouldn't be any clear trace of where I was walking....just making my own way through the trees/brush whatever to get to where I want to go. When I lived in CO I scaled rocks all the time for views. It is also so dry there it would be difficult to find tracks...and not lots of greenery that would be broken if he made his own path.

 

[drjones]

Or injured, and crawling around suffering. Dead or alive, he isn't far from RTR.

The probable search area just isnt that big, if he was only injured he would have been calling out etc, if he was injured so severely that he could not do anything to help his chances of being found then he was surely dead soon after. But it's really hard to feel strongly about any scenario since we know so little and now that we have seemingly conflicting stories, I dont think its an indication of lying, I just think it's an indication of how little we know and how incomplete the information we do have is.

 

[hisjerseygirl]

just marking my spot.

definitely think the PD knows more than they're saying....

 

[GigTu]

The probable search area just isnt that big, if he was only injured he would have been calling out etc, if he was injured so severely that he could not do anything to help his chances of being found then he was surely dead soon after. But it's really hard to feel strongly about any scenario since we know so little and now that we have seemingly conflicting stories, I dont think its an indication of lying, I just think it's an indication of how little we know and how incomplete the information we do have is.

Right. It's still an open investigation - with the possibility of foul play. Sorry Joe.

 

[iluvmua]

Until LE clears his two friends, I'm going to believe the might have something to do with this. I do not think this was an abduction nor do I think he was attacked by a wild animal and dragged off somewhere especially since they can't find his scent anywhere.

I also believe that LE knows a lot more than they are saying.

JMO