Found Deceased CO - Joseph Keller, 18, Antonito, 23 July 2015 - #1

[iluvmua]

And I noticed that CF posted the recent pictures of Joe from their trip on July 26, three days after he went missing.

It's almost like he's not even concerned that Joe is gone. JMO

 

[marble]

And he didn't find it odd that Joe was nowhere to be found? If I was jogging with my friend and I went to look for a trail and then I come back down and can't find my friend anywhere, I'm not going to continue on with my jog as if nothing happened.

I would look max 30 minutes (maybe even less) and then if I could not find him I would be dialing 911. I sure as hell would not wait until midnight to call LE if my friend had been missing since 4:30 that afternoon.

JMO.

Well, I have run with tons of groups and friends and set off on thousands of runs with people of varying abilities and *THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL AT ALL* (except for the waiting until midnight to report someone missing, if that's really what happened)

Seriously, I feel like I am posting from an alternate universe right now. I literally cannot understand what is weird about continuing on with a planned run in this scenario- they weren't planning on running a set route together the whole way, the whole run sounded very casual, a "run how you feel" thing. Calling 911 makes zero sense after 30 minutes. The normal reaction for any runner who is used to running with other people or groups is to think "hmm, he must have decided on a different direction or route, or maybe he left already. I'll go ahead and set out on my run and if he's in front of me or ends up behind me on the same road I'll probably see him at some point on the way out or back. If not, I'll see him when I finish and find out what he decided to do".

This sort of scenario HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. All The Time. For all sorts of reasons, usually that someone decides to take a different route, or use the bathroom, or bag the run, or gets impatient waiting for someone else, or wants a head start……….the reasons are endless.

Sorry to shout, but that's *not weird at all to me or anyone I know who runs* and I'm literally sitting here with my mouth hanging open in shock at the realization that a lot of people who don't have the same experiences that I do, and who have never been regular runners who run with friends or teammates sometimes. What would be completely cuckoo to me is if on one of the runs I'd been on when something similar happened my training partner or a member of my running group *called 911* and reported me missing within an hour or less of when I'd said I'd return.

 

[Chattahoochee]

Why is it unusual for CF to post photos of the trip 3 days later? I am seeing so much speculation on him in this thread, and I just don't understand it I guess. Apart from the fact that he was the last person to see Joe alive (if I am getting my C's correct here), what is there to implicate him? That he has shared too many football memes on FB? That he didn't share a Vols football meme? He may very well have posted about Joe, but have his posts set to private. The NFL memes he is sharing would still show to us, because the NFL page he is sharing from is public. Is anyone here "friends" with him on FB and able to see if this is the case?


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[human]

It may be usual for people running in an area that they know to be casual about it.

But this is running through an unknown area with unknown issues, wildlife being one of those.

Runners can have any number of issues including many wasp stings ( this is the season) , twisted ankle, blood clot , and who knows what else. It is not like running on a city street.

 

[Treelights]

http://www.westword.com/news/missin...l-play-reward-upped-psychic-weighs-in-6992191

"About 4:30 p.m. on July 23, he and a friend, now identified as Colin Gwaltney, went out for a jog together. But along the way, Keller took a turn."

What does this article mean when it states Keller took a turn?

Is this article/writer implying that Joe turned off somewhere?
How do they know he wasn't snatched up by a car on the Forest Service Road?
(not that I think that happened.)

I thought Joe's friend, by a RUMOR account, turned off somewhere, then came back to the Forest SVC. Rd.?

IMOO.

 

[osu]

It may be usual for people running in an area that they know to be casual about it.

But this is running through an unknown area with unknown issues, wildlife being one of those.

Runners can have any number of issues including many wasp stings ( this is the season) , twisted ankle, blood clot , and who knows what else. It is not like running on a city street.

Rattlesnakes have been especially plentiful in Colorado this summer. There's been a few runners and hikers bitten recently on trails up in Boulder County. They all survived and rangers have warned to be especially careful running/walking along trails.

 

[Treelights]

Rattlesnakes have been especially plentiful in Colorado this summer. There's been a few runners and hikers bitten recently on trails up in Boulder County. They all survived and rangers have warned to be especially careful running/walking along trails.

There's even signs at Garden of the Gods, Colo. Spgs., on the trails about to be cautious about rattlesnakes.

 

[audsmommy]

Runners can have any number of issues including many wasp stings ( this is the season) , twisted ankle, blood clot , and who knows what else. It is not like running on a city street.

These are YOUNG boys though --- they aren't thinking of any of these things!

 

[Treelights]

Runners can have any number of issues including many wasp stings ( this is the season) , twisted ankle, blood clot , and who knows what else. It is not like running on a city street.

These are YOUNG boys though --- they aren't thinking of any of these things!

With all due respect, we don't know that they aren't thinking about these things.
Just because they are young, doesn't mean they aren't concerned.
Mosquitos and West Nile is in Colorado...
So is the plague.
Tularemia, as well.


IMOO.

 

[Treelights]

Maybe runners are different. I am a hiker and when hiking, it is always best to Stay with your Hiking buddy.
You never know when you will need them, or they need you.
Especially in the mountains of Colorado.

IMOO.

 

[OldFashionWithaFlair]

Wow! I just read their (Rainbow Trout Ranch) first post from 17 hours ago, and they hadn't posted since June 28th.

Mentioning a wonderful summer and life is grand???

Are you serious????

Joe Keller is missing.

Joe Keller is related to the Aunt that runs Rainbow Trout Ranch.

Aren't they worried about Joe??

DO THEY KNOW JOE IS MISSING????

I am just Shocked!

I am glad they had a great summer. (Insert Sarcasm here...)

OBVIOUSLY Joe, his family and friends have not.

Don't they give 2 sheets??

In My Opinion Only.

https://www.facebook.com/rainbowtro...12498873175/10153059838823176/?type=1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/rainbowtroutranch

I find it very egotistical that their family member is missing and they could post something like that. I'm sorry, but no matter how much money my business brought in my family would always come first. To tell you the truth it's put the idea in my head that they know more than they are telling, otherwise why in the world wouldn't you be posting this wherever you could. I seriously think there is something fishy between the local Sheriff's Office and the Ranch. Jmo and I'm sure it sounds pretty silly, but this is their family member missing!

 

[Treelights]

I find it very egotistical that their family member is missing and they could post something like that. I'm sorry, but no matter how much money my business brought in my family would always come first. To tell you the truth it's put the idea in my head that they know more than they are telling, otherwise why in the world wouldn't you be posting this wherever you could. I seriously think there is something fishy between the local Sheriff's Office and the Ranch. Jmo and I'm sure it sounds pretty silly, but this is their family member missing!

And the thing is, someone put a comment on there today, about the Ranch's family member being missing, and the comment was deleted!

IMOO.

 

[marble]

It may be usual for people running in an area that they know to be casual about it.

But this is running through an unknown area with unknown issues, wildlife being one of those.

Runners can have any number of issues including many wasp stings ( this is the season) , twisted ankle, blood clot , and who knows what else. It is not like running on a city street.

To clarify my explanation: many, many, many of these runs were off trail, in woods, not in the usual training area etc etc and so on. Anyone who has ever run on a cross country team (and lots of people who haven't) do many runs in the woods and on trails, and lots of those consist of exploring new routes. So yes, the same things I stated above, please take to mean I've experienced this with groups in all sorts of places over all sorts of terrain familiar and unfamiliar.

Lots of runners run in both groups and alone- running is an extremely self-directed sport.

It's common for people to set off on their own even when they start with a group (unless it's a very specific planned workout, like a tempo run or speed work). All of the possible accidents that can happen to a runner can happen no matter where they are located. As far as all of the terrible things that can happen to a runner in the area they were in as opposed to on a road- Snake bites are less common than getting hit by a car for runners, for example.

So imo based on Years and Years ( and Years) of running and training by myself and with other people this would Not Be Unusual.

 

[marble]

With all due respect, we don't know that they aren't thinking about these things.
Just because they are young, doesn't mean they aren't concerned.
Mosquitos and West Nile is in Colorado...
So is the plague.
Tularemia, as well.


IMOO.

Yes, exactly. Runners would never leave their house to run in the first place if half of this stuff was worth being constantly and extremely concerned about all the time. Sheesh.

 

[human]

Yes, exactly. Runners would never leave their house to run in the first place if half of this stuff was worth being constantly and extremely concerned about all the time. Sheesh.

I guess it is different where I am . People do know things can happen in the woods because it has happened to them or someone they know.

Those boys were not leaving their house to a known area.. They are in a totally different state. We are all comfortable in our areas. That is why things happen close to home.

Joe looks to be in great physical condition . And kids do stupid things all of the time.

I see people who are in a group running and talking with each other. Makes it more fun.

I guess if there were not risk takers, then there would not be experiences like where that guy had to cut his hand off when it was stuck in a rock when he was hiking alone.

 

[Scout12]

Just a few of my thoughts about this case ...

Regarding the new posters with a higher reward for his "safe return" - it leads me to think that they are seriously leaning towards an abduction.

As far as the RTR facebook post - wow. That did something to me just reading it. Surely these people could not be that cold. I noticed a lot of positive comments between the facebook owner and guests, which I don't think would happen if they were not hospitable. Could it be possible that they are in complete denial? From what I've read so far, it's easy, imo, to come to the conclusion that the ranch owners are self-centered, heartless people. I cannot help but hope that there is a good reason for their actions that will become clear at some point.

Regarding the run itself - why would they go on a road, when they had that whole beautiful ranch to explore on their run? Was it due to the pavement being better for running?

I think too much is being made of the fisherman not seeing Joe. His attention would not be on the road at all times, especially if he was fly fishing.

Prayers for the family and friends ... I sense from his photos that Joe is a very kind and compassionate young man, and my mother's heart breaks over what all they must be going through right now.

 

[Treelights]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ffs-office-out-of-leads-in-missing-hiker-case

Latest article. Short article.

 

[Treelights]

Just a few of my thoughts about this case ...

Regarding the new posters with a higher reward for his "safe return" - it leads me to think that they are seriously leaning towards an abduction.

As far as the RTR facebook post - wow. That did something to me just reading it. Surely these people could not be that cold. I noticed a lot of positive comments between the facebook owner and guests, which I don't think would happen if they were not hospitable. Could it be possible that they are in complete denial? From what I've read so far, it's easy, imo, to come to the conclusion that the ranch owners are self-centered, heartless people. I cannot help but hope that there is a good reason for their actions that will become clear at some point.

Regarding the run itself - why would they go on a road, when they had that whole beautiful ranch to explore on their run? Was it due to the pavement being better for running?

I think too much is being made of the fisherman not seeing Joe. His attention would not be on the road at all times, especially if he was fly fishing.

Prayers for the family and friends ... I sense from his photos that Joe is a very kind and compassionate young man, and my mother's heart breaks over what all they must be going through right now.

This article :

http://www.newschannel9.com/news/to...end-speaks-cleveland-missing-teen-19432.shtml

mentions that the road they ran, the forest service road, was gravel.

 

[Annie1004]

Rare

Runners can have any number of issues including many wasp stings ( this is the season) , twisted ankle, blood clot , and who knows what else. It is not like running on a city street.

These are YOUNG boys though --- they aren't thinking of any of these things!

I agree 100%. At 19, I knew it all, anyone over 30 was old, and I couldn't wait to move out of my parents' home. I was in my third year of university at that age.

These boys are still in high school. They are invincible; after all, they took a road trip without incident (to our knowledge) all on their own. No matter, Joe and his companion went their separate ways, so they weren't thinking of rattlesnake bites, the plague, etc. by their actions.

This is a real mystery. I am prone to think that Joe had some sort of accident that rendered him unable to join his two buddies. I do not believe there was any foul play. We have seen time and time again where the victim was close by, yet SAR, helicopters, and searchers couldn't find him/her.

(As an aside, the friends of Sierra Lamar, who was allegedly murdered at 15, pretty much went on with their lives after a couple of weeks. Most were posting as if nothing had happened.)

... Then again, this could be another Dave Paulides-type disappearance. Whatever happened, it's a tragedy.

 

[Treelights]

Rare

I agree 100%. At 19, I knew it all, anyone over 30 was old, and I couldn't wait to move out of my parents' home. I was in my third year of university at that age.

These boys are still in high school. They are invincible; after all, they took a road trip without incident (to our knowledge) all on their own. No matter, Joe and his companion went their separate ways, so they weren't thinking of rattlesnake bites, the plague, etc. by their actions.

This is a real mystery. I am prone to think that Joe had some sort of accident that rendered him unable to join his two buddies. I do not believe there was any foul play. We have seen time and time again where the victim was close by, yet SAR, helicopters, and searchers couldn't find him/her.

(As an aside, the friends of Sierra Lamar, who was allegedly murdered at 15, pretty much went on with their lives after a couple of weeks. Most were posting as if nothing had happened.)

... Then again, this could be another Dave Paulides-type disappearance. Whatever happened, it's a tragedy.

I respect your opinions, as we have been on many threads together.

However, when you mention that these boys are in high school, it looks like Joe was in College at Cleveland State Community College. He turned 19 years old the day after he went missing.

http://bcmcleveland.com/2015/07/30/prayer-gathering-for-joe-keller-this-sunday-night-8pm/

Also:

https://anothergrayhair.wordpress.com/2015/07/30/findjoekeller/

"Joe is 19-years-old, a rising sophomore at Cleveland State Community College and one of the assistant coaches for the Waterdogs swim team."


And again, we don't know what they were thinking when they went for a run/jog, what have you.
We don't know that they weren't concerned about the plague, tularemia, or anything else, imoo.

We hike.
We are Concerned about tularemia. But that doesn't stop us from hiking.
West Nile . Yes, it Is a concern, but that doesn't stop us from hiking.
The plague, bubonic plague is in Colorado. But that doesn't stop us from hiking.

We are out Every Day. We hike in the mountains. We hike the trails. We also hike with our 2 dogs.
We think about rattlesnakes when we walk the trails.
I even think about scorpions and rattlesnakes when we are south of Colorado Springs.
But that doesn't stop me/us from hiking.

http://csu-cvmbs.colostate.edu/vdl/Pages/watch-for-plague-tularemia-in-colorado.aspx

http://www.9news.com/story/news/health/2015/06/24/colorado-tularemia-cases/29227791/

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/plague-cluster-identified-colorado-contract-disease/story?id=24634611

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/si...r-mosquito-borne-viruses-in-Colorado_FAQs.pdf
"West Nile Virus and Mosquito-Borne Viruses in Colorado: Frequently Asked Questions"

http://www.koaa.com/story/29440415/tularemia-cases-on-the-rise-health-officials-send-out-warning
"Posted: Jun 30, 2015 7:06 AM MDT"

"Health officials across the state are warning people to avoid wild rabbits as Colorado could be on its way to a record breaking year of tularemia cases. Since May, 11 people in the state have been infected with tularemia, also known as "rabbit fever." Colorado typically averages less than four human cases a year."

IMOO.