CO CO - Kayleah Wilson, 12, Greeley, 28 March 2010 - #4

[Natal]

BYSTANDERS JUST WATCH LITTLE GIRL GET ABDUCTED! (undercover)

http://www.therundown.tv/videos/wtf-files/bystanders-just-watch-little-girl-get-abducted/

For anyone who has not seen this it is worth watching!

They were going on about the "bystander" effect, where no one wanted to get involved, but I disagree with that. If you look at that video, it took many attempts to get anyone to respond, but you see that in the instance where some DID, all of a sudden people all around joined in. I think that what really happens is that most people are followers, not leaders, so they don't initiate action even they they would otherwise participate. As soon as a leader steps in and takes the first action, then all the others follow.

The bottom line is that if that were your kid, you should pray that a leader type happens to be around or chances are that everyone will just watch.

 

[sarx]

I mean in one town-for example, Greeley. There can't be that many missing kids a a town like that, can there?

Good question. Anyone on here from the area and have a relationship with LE where they could ask that? Also would need to know what else that person/division does? Some are in charge of rape/child abuse abuse/murders/gang violence cases (some or all of these). They have to prioritize and you can kinda figure out where things fall.

What is far more frustrating for me is that these strapped agencies don't use the public/community far more often to help. There are a lot of people out there who could be a great tool/resource they need to be used.

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

Good question. Anyone on here from the area and have a relationship with LE where they could ask that? Also would need to know what else that person/division does? Some are in charge of rape/child abuse abuse/murders/gang violence cases (some or all of these). They have to prioritize and you can kinda figure out where things fall.

What is far more frustrating for me is that these strapped agencies don't use the public/community far more often to help. There are a lot of people out there who could be a great tool/resource they need to be used.

No contacts in Greeley, but I would imagine the case fell to either Criminal Investigation, General, or perhaps the Youth Unit. One could easily find out by calling the PD and asking for the detective in charge to see which unit they work for. But the FBI was involved almost immediately....so in this instance I would think it isn't an issue of Kayleah falling to the bottom of the MP or BOLO stack.
I can contact the FBI and find out what the MP situation is in Greeley.

Either way, this child is still listed with 'no signs of foul play' in the same
breath as 'no history of drug or alcohol abuse' and 'no history of running away.' Huh??

Something tells me perhaps Greeley PD should update their website, considering this child has now been missing without a trace approaching 2 months. IMO, it is eerily similar to the Lindsey Baum case.

JTSYS

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

Sorry- I should have added- that's nothing against Greeley PD or the FBI. I am sure they are just intending to clarify that there is no history of running away or drug or alcohol abuse, in order to dissuade any rumors to the contrary.
But any 12 year old who has been missing for this long without a trace...in my experience there is a likelihood of foul play, even if no such physical or circumstancial evidence exists.

Perhaps that's where the MP case descriptions need to be changed a bit.

JTSYS

 

[kai]

I have talked to several people that live in Greeley that aren't big on following every detail of the news etc... and 4 out of 5 of them have said they thought that Kayleah just ran away or mom/family had something to do with her missing because of the lack of mom's appearance in the news. Just throwing that out there FWIW. I think April needs to get in the public eye, talk to everyone she sees, interact with those who are volunteering to search, and talk to a professional webdesign company about donating time & knowledge to create a FIND Kayleah website. (and give it a name without "fund" in the title.)

MOO

If April thinks Kayleah didn't run away, then she needs to say that every chance she gets. I would rather her be scorned after the fact for being wrong than to not have people actively searching for Kayleah.

 

[Calliope]

BYSTANDERS JUST WATCH LITTLE GIRL GET ABDUCTED! (undercover)

http://www.therundown.tv/videos/wtf-files/bystanders-just-watch-little-girl-get-abducted/

For anyone who has not seen this it is worth watching!

I agree with the mom there; when those two guys dropped their things and took off after him I was cheering

 

[eyes4crime]

No contacts in Greeley, but I would imagine the case fell to either Criminal Investigation, General, or perhaps the Youth Unit. One could easily find out by calling the PD and asking for the detective in charge to see which unit they work for. But the FBI was involved almost immediately....so in this instance I would think it isn't an issue of Kayleah falling to the bottom of the MP or BOLO stack.
I can contact the FBI and find out what the MP situation is in Greeley.

Either way, this child is still listed with 'no signs of foul play' in the same
breath as 'no history of drug or alcohol abuse' and 'no history of running away.' Huh??

Something tells me perhaps Greeley PD should update their website, considering this child has now been missing without a trace approaching 2 months. IMO, it is eerily similar to the Lindsey Baum case.

JTSYS

This case sure is eerily similar to Lindsey's case isn't it? Lindsey 10yo, was walking home from her best friends around 9pm, a walk she has taken many times, and Kayleah walking to a birthday party late afternoon, a walk she also has taken many times. Both were labeled as runaways, Lindsey to her dad in the service and Kayleah to her dad in California, and both moms supported that and both continue to allude to that idea. Both girls disappeared 'without a trace', no evidence of a crime scene, no body, no motive, no unusual circumstances. Lindsey gone now a year is a real mystery and, in my opinion, the result of extremely poor police work in the beginning as Kayleah's case was.

I can't help but think that if one case was solved, both would be - even though Lindsey disappeared from Washington and Kayleah from Colorado, they are too close in circumstances (small towns) not to consider they may both be the work of the same perp. moo

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

This case sure is eerily similar to Lindsey's case isn't it? Lindsey 10yo, was walking home from her best friends around 9pm, a walk she has taken many times, and Kayleah walking to a birthday party late afternoon, a walk she also has taken many times. Both were labeled as runaways, Lindsey to her dad in the service and Kayleah to her dad in California, and both moms supported that and both continue to allude to that idea. Both girls disappeared 'without a trace', no evidence of a crime scene, no body, no motive, no unusual circumstances. Lindsey gone now a year is a real mystery and, in my opinion, the result of extremely poor police work in the beginning as Kayleah's case was.

I can't help but think that if one case was solved, both would be - even though Lindsey disappeared from Washington and Kayleah from Colorado, they are too close in circumstances (small towns) not to consider they may both be the work of the same perp. moo

I totally agree, eyes. Maybe we should take a look at regional cases with those similar common denominators...

 

[eyes4crime]

I totally agree, eyes. Maybe we should take a look at regional cases with those similar common denominators...

Great idea! How do we start? :waitasec:

 

[angiejean]

If April thinks Kayleah didn't run away, then she needs to say that every chance she gets. I would rather her be scorned after the fact for being wrong than to not have people actively searching for Kayleah.

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You are so right on this one!!

This has bothered me, that mom or even the families spokesperson hasn't shouted to the world that there could be another possibility in Kayleahs dissapearance other than her running away! Especially after the last presser and LE eluded to that. Again, I know the press is hard to negotiate but there isn't anything like this mentioned on her website and FB pages.

Don't know anyone in Greeley PD. I still don't see Greeley having a big runaway issue. The town doesn't support one like the bigger cities w/surrounding suburbs where a kid can hide and survive. It's changing yes...but it's still mainly a college/agricultural type of town. I would think that if she did make it to Denver & was on the streets as a runaway, LE there would have an eye out for her, she should have been found.
(jmo)

 

[kai]

This case sure is eerily similar to Lindsey's case isn't it? Lindsey 10yo, was walking home from her best friends around 9pm, a walk she has taken many times, and Kayleah walking to a birthday party late afternoon, a walk she also has taken many times. Both were labeled as runaways, Lindsey to her dad in the service and Kayleah to her dad in California, and both moms supported that and both continue to allude to that idea. Both girls disappeared 'without a trace', no evidence of a crime scene, no body, no motive, no unusual circumstances. Lindsey gone now a year is a real mystery and, in my opinion, the result of extremely poor police work in the beginning as Kayleah's case was.

I can't help but think that if one case was solved, both would be - even though Lindsey disappeared from Washington and Kayleah from Colorado, they are too close in circumstances (small towns) not to consider they may both be the work of the same perp. moo

The circumstances absolutely are similar in nature between Kayleah and Lindsey. I do want to say that Greeley has a population of around 98,000 and McCleary from what I read online is less than 1700. Greeley isn't really what I would call a small "town" anymore. 25 years ago, yep, but not so much anymore.

I am interested in seeing what you sleuthers can come up with in looking at the similarities and maybe also in other surrounding cases.

 

[kai]

I would think that if she did make it to Denver & was on the streets as a runaway, LE there would have an eye out for her, she should have been found.
(jmo)

I agree. I don't see her running away to go hang out with "kids" or friends and being hidden this long without someone squeeling. Now I definitely have a different thought if she ran away to be with someone older (predator). I for the most part don't think she ran away. The ONLY thing that brings me back to it on occasion is that at one of the LE/FBI press conferences a reporter asked if Kayleah was under duress or emotionally upset (not direct quote) when she left home and the FBI declined to comment. That just didn't and still doesn't sit well with me. If she was fine and ok, then why not just say so?

 

[sarx]

JTSYS- I think it would be wonderful you could contact those you know in the FBI and find this info. out. I think it's very important to figure out how they're working on the "inside" some the community can learn how to work on the "outside". Often things are way more complicated than they seem and it needs to be way more up to "us, the community" to take an active role instead of just sitting back and criticizing what LE is or isn't doing. Once upon a time it was word of mouth that spread these things to neighbors far and wide, local businesses that took it upon themselves to make flyers and print them, etc. It's so much like that video.... Everyone is expecting that someone else will do it.

 

[cluciano63]

that is strange that LE would decline comment on her known state of mind...unless they do not want to add to speculation that she might have left on her own...i.e. if she was upset or mad at mom...but declining to comments just makes me think she WAS upset, or they would/should have said no, she was fine, happy, etc...

I do wish someone w/experience would help this family negotiate the media, internet, etc...in most cases, all you need to do is ask for help by professionals (web designers, etc) and they will donate their time and work. Do we know if they ever contacted the 18-wheeler program?

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

Great idea! How do we start? :waitasec:

I thought I'd start by getting all of the NCMEC info using those parameters- and then start mapping interstates accordingly. Basic, but it can't hurt.

 

[eyes4crime]

The circumstances absolutely are similar in nature between Kayleah and Lindsey. I do want to say that Greeley has a population of around 98,000 and McCleary from what I read online is less than 1700. Greeley isn't really what I would call a small "town" anymore. 25 years ago, yep, but not so much anymore.

I am interested in seeing what you sleuthers can come up with in looking at the similarities and maybe also in other surrounding cases.

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You're right - Greeley isn't as small as McCleary but it is out of the way isn't it?

If we do that search, I would like to include the young girls LE have classified as run-a-ways. Run-a-ways with a legitimate reason to leave and go to another state - such as having a father in the military (Lindsey) or a father living away (Kayleah). In my eyes, that circumstance can make a young girl very vulnerable to abduction and also can give the perp a break in that once classified as run-a-way, the search by LE and community is not the same as for a missing child - not as intense and focused. Maybe there is a perp out there looking for young girls who fit that run-a-way possibility category - makes it easier for the perp to get away with an abduction. all just my opinions

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

JTSYS- I think it would be wonderful you could contact those you know in the FBI and find this info. out. I think it's very important to figure out how they're working on the "inside" some the community can learn how to work on the "outside". Often things are way more complicated than they seem and it needs to be way more up to "us, the community" to take an active role instead of just sitting back and criticizing what LE is or isn't doing. Once upon a time it was word of mouth that spread these things to neighbors far and wide, local businesses that took it upon themselves to make flyers and print them, etc. It's so much like that video.... Everyone is expecting that someone else will do it.

Already made a couple calls, will post when I hear back.
I concur completely re: community response. People are typically either unsure, afraid, or unknowing as to how to approach people in need.
Just approach and offer whatever professional services you can render, folks! If you work at an Office Depot...ask your manager if you can print flyers at no cost. If you own a franchise, make it a point to print 5 a day at no cost.
If you're an attorney, or you work at a bank- offer your probono service to set up an account for a search center. If you work dogs, offer your dogs probono.
If you're a retired LEO who has experience with MP's....cold call the family and offer the benefit of your experience in widening search areas and dealing with the media. If you work in the media, offer your probono services with the intent to find and protect an innocent child- to raise viewers with the sole intent to find this child- not with sensationalism.
If you volunteer or work with a MP's org- cold call families in need.
Every little bit counts. Don't be afraid to be a leader. The worst that can happen is someone says 'no thanks.'

JTSYS

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

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You're right - Greeley isn't as small as McCleary but it is out of the way isn't it?

If we do that search, I would like to include the young girls LE have classified as run-a-ways. Run-a-ways with a legitimate reason to leave and go to another state - such as having a father in the military (Lindsey) or a father living away (Kayleah). In my eyes, that circumstance can make a young girl very vulnerable to abduction and also can give the perp a break in that once classified as run-a-way, the search by LE and community is not the same as for a missing child - not as intense and focused. Maybe there is a perp out there looking for young girls who fit that run-a-way possibility category - makes it easier for the perp to get away with an abduction. all just my opinions

Yep, done. As I mentioned before- I agree entirely.

 

[eyes4crime]

Yep, done. As I mentioned before- I agree entirely.

JTSYS - what do you mean - Yep, done? lol

 

[JustToSeeYouSmile]

JTSYS - what do you mean - Yep, done? lol

Lol, I only meant that I had already included those parameters (classified as runaways etc) in there. Sifting through right now.