CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #10

[MassGuy]

The septic location should be public land record. Has anyone checked yet?

Me thinks you just volunteered.

 

[Denvergirl]

SABBM

Good point.
So, if she supposedly left the very day they were planning some sort of get together for the holidays ... didn't anyone else in the PF family ask where she was and what was going on ??
I'm wondering if LE talked to anyone else on the ex/fiances' side......

Might explain why they are not speaking out...

 

[NanZDrew]

The septic location should be public land record. Has anyone checked yet?

Usually they are registered through the state environmental agency or health agency.

 

[Esma]

In the absence of a body and crime scene evidence, I would imagine thru interviews etc. LE is putting circumstantial evidence together. He had to of screwed up on a few things that they will or have discovered. I’m sure people/family are discussing with them what they know about issues in the relationship. I just hope they can build a strong enough circumstantial case to prosecute him and win. Finding her body is a very big long shot I think.

 

[MyBelle]

I know it would be out of character for her, but I want to believe that KB did run off and leave everything behind. But I keep coming back to the fact that I really don't think she would abandon her baby. IMO, if she was able to come home, she would have by now.

I don't believe KB would abandon her baby or her career.

 

[PrairieWind]

Haha you made me laugh. I lived in Eastern CO for a short time before moving to ID. I've planted many trees in both states so I became very familiar with the soil and it's very different between the two states.

I’m sure it is in reality. Eastern Colorado where you were is a bit sandy, Teller County more rocky, Idaho much more fertile and darker.

 

[Charlot123]

Really got me thinking!

Perhaps she left her home willingly with their daughter in his truck and they ended up back at the ranch and LE know this for certain, due to her cell? Hence the search warrant. He did the unspeakable but didn't make a big mess perhaps after the baby was in bed. Maybe it was planned that they spend the night at the ranch while his mother was visiting elsewhere. After the deed is done, he puts her body outside on the ground until he can wrap it up and then put it in the truck? Next day, takes the body somewhere? That would make the dogs hit on both, wouldn't it? Someone correct me if I'm mistaken and that's not possible. Maybe that's why the ground got dug up so close to where his truck was parked. All of this could have been done while the baby slept.

That could also explain the trash that may have been stored away safely prior to anyone knowing she was even missing. Darn, he had so much time to do this, IF he did!

Only thing that nixes this for me are those cinnamon rolls left out! Was dinner supposed to be at KB's house? They go to find a tree in the afternoon and before heading back he says he needs something from the ranch? So many possibilities!

One thing is, we don't know what kind of a person KB is/was. Leaving cinnamon rolls? I could do it if I am running late, surely. Work or theater or guests or a sale are higher priorities. Some people would never leave a messy table.

Another reason to.forget the buns would be PF convincing her to go to his place, for a talk or whatever, maybe hugging her...If she planned to return later, she could have left them out. We never heard that leaving cinnamon buns or some other mess out when in haste was out of character for KB. (We know that disappearing was out of character for her, this is what her mom said, and I believe her).

 

[cluciano63]

It’s so early, that I still have a lot of hope here.

If nothing of substance comes out in the next few weeks, then I will be a lot less hopeful.

In what scenario do you think she could be alive? I can’t come up with a viable one after a month.

 

[BRRI]

Usually they are registered through the state environmental agency or health agency.

They should be on a land plat too. At least they are in states I’ve looked at buying a house in. I’ll see what I can find tomorrow if someone else doesn’t get to it first

 

[MassGuy]

In what scenario do you think she could be alive? I can’t come up with a viable one after a month.

I have zero expectation that she is still alive.

 

[cluciano63]

Circumstantial case without a body will be very tough, imo. Not impossible...but jurors want a crime scene, at minimum, some sign that something happened to cause death. Not sure a whole jury could agree without some forensic evidence (other than electronic, etc). But...I’m sure it has been done before and examples will be posted. Jmo

 

[WhimsicalWillow]

I don't believe KB would abandon her baby or her career.

I agree but I’m keeping all possibilities open.

I believe PF was involved. Before you read the next sentence, read that again, “I believe PF was involved”. However, given that anything is possible and that KB had a baby only one year ago, there is a SMALL chance she had Post Partum Depression and ran off for awhile. Mothers with Post Partum issues such as Post Partum Psychosis have done worse things than abandoning their babies...

I wish she simply ran off for awhile because it would mean she’s alive but this is a highly unlikely possibility.

 

[crhedBngr]

I mean, I could be wrong but driving 800 miles and spending a minimum of 12 hours on the road to Idaho with a smelly, rotting, bloated dead body in the back of a Toyota Tacoma pickup truck (or any other vehicle he might’ve driven), and running the risk of getting pulled over, getting into a wreck, car trouble, stopping for fuel, etc sounds like a really terrible decision to me.

He might have had large containers on hand as shown in the link below.

55 Gallon Drums, 30 Gallon Drums, Food Grade Drums in Stock - Uline

Supposedly, Drew Peterson used a similar type of container to dispose of Stacy Peterson's body.

Peterson's stepbrother tells of removing blue bin

 

[cluciano63]

I have zero expectation that she is still alive.

Okay I misunderstood. You mean you have hope that she will be found, a case can be made etc...

 

[borndem]

from Detectivediva:
I lived in Teller country for about a decade. There's tons of old mine shafts all over...especially in places like Cripple Creek/Victor (about a 40 minute drive). As a local he'd know where they were too...and he had plenty of time to act before anyone knew anything was suspicious.

They found Erin Corwin...

Yes, they did.
I was trying so hard to think of Corwin's name -- and you beat me to it! Thanks !
Yes, I do remember that one - what a great detective job and help from locals on that one. Unbelievable solve, that one!

 

[MassGuy]

Okay I misunderstood. You mean you have hope that she will be found, a case can be made etc...

Haaaa yeah.

I wish I meant it the other way, but I absolutely believe that they are looking for a body.

 

[MyBelle]

I agree but I’m keeping all possibilities open.
I believe PF did it. There is a small chance she had post partum depression and ran off. Mothers with post partum depression or post partum psychosis have done worse things than abandoning their babies...

I wish she ran off because it would mean she’s alive but this is an unlikely possibility.

There is no evidence whatsoever that KB was suffering from any depression or psychosis. JMO

 

[MimosaMornings]

Does Kelsey have a lot of relatives in Soap Lake, Washington?
I know they mention a grandmother.

 

[PommyMommy]

Cell phone data is key to cracking Berreth case, expert says

Well, the expert hasn't given any information as to why a ping could be false, so the liklihood is still that phone travelled

Looks like a tower dump is out. From the link:

Plus, Pfoff said there are two types of pings.

He said he thinks police received the lesser of the two, which would only tell them the phone was in the vicinity of the tower, rather than providing an exact location. Pfoff said tower radius varies among locations, ranging from two miles to as far as 45 miles.

“If it was a [true] ping, it means that the phone specifically told the tower, ‘I’m here, and here’s my location using GPS coordinates,” Pfoff said.

Additionally, the delay in reporting Berreth missing impacts the availability of cell phone data. Pfoff said investigators could have asked for what he calls a ‘tower dump’, gaining access to all of the numbers for phones that pinged off the tower that day.

However, he said towers only hold that data for three to five days. Woodland Park Police Chief Miles De Young said the texts and the ping happened on Nov. 25, but Berreth wasn’t reported missing by her mother until Dec. 2.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Does anyone know if vehicle GPS systems wipe their memory after a certain number of miles? Sort of how some security cameras record over old footage after a certain number of weeks?

Most modern vehicles have hard drives (or solid state drives) in them. So, GPS history would be preserved. Recovery would depend on if anything had been done to the hard drive to wipe it, factory reset it, or damage it.

 

[sassyblue]

He could have hitched a horse float up, with a horse in it and lots of manure and hid her in one corner with horse stuff, like saddles, hiding her body and masking smells.

Perhaps he did use that long white stock trailer that is sitting near the corrals in the aerial shots. Perhaps that is also the trailer he used yesterday to take the trash to the WM place. Could he have been hoping the trash piled high would mask some odor in the trailer? MOO