CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #10

[WhimsicalWillow]

There is no evidence whatsoever that KB was suffering from any depression or psychosis. JMO

I did not say that. Please read over what I posted again. I said I’m keeping all possibilities open.

I believe PF was involved.

 

[Charlot123]

It's only 2 hours to Wyoming state line, and seldom is anything recovered in Wyoming. Discard the body, and in his mind, he's home free. MOO

I don't think he made the trip with the body. I think she was alive in his car. Crying, then asleep, maybe, but alive. Then - whatever the reason for the trip - she changed her mind. And this is when the attack happened. I don't know where they went, I doubt it was a rehab, I have some ideas. My guesstimate, Gooding is past the place of the attack, but could be Wyoming, too, close to the border with ID. Then he needed to send a text to her work so that she is not being looked for.

Why his phone does not register there is a question. Two versions, a) they had hers, and b) I don't even know how many phones are on the farm. Does GM have the phone, or only PF has one? I believe they left the kid to the grandma on the farm and needed communication, in case on an emergency. So they left PF's phone there.

 

[Esma]

I wonder if PF has more than one vehicle. And since he lives with his mother, does she have a vehicle?

 

[PrairieWind]

Gooding, but it could have been anywhere in the vicinity depending which cell tower it pinged and how far apart they are

I’m just going off memory but it seems that very early on It was said that it was a Verizon tower and Verizon was confident in the ping to within a mile or something. It was soon after the ping was discovered. Someone would have to back and see if that is correct.

 

[Janieva]

I have zero expectation that she is still alive.

My ex is a pilot and my daughter is an instructor pilot, but I don’t know what happens when a pilot is missing. It seems like they could be used by terrorists or in other ways like that. Would there be any different type of alert or way they would go about it if they truly thought KC was alive and missing, in regards to her being an instructor pilot?

 

[BRRI]

I wonder if he drove her car to Idaho. Maybe even put her body in it. He could justify any of his dna in her car easily. No one knew she was missing, so her car being gone wouldn’t be unusual...

 

[Tippy Lynn]

yes, it is never (or rarely) expected. My story Little guilty in double murder | The Star

Your story as in you wrote the story or you are involved and this is your story?

 

[Jennifer17]

I’m just going off memory but it seems that very early on It was said that it was a Verizon tower and Verizon was confident in the ping to within a mile or something. It was soon after the ping was discovered. Someone would have to back and see if that is correct.

Yes, they did say that, but what else could they say? Phones connected to us, sometimes are not accurate? Of course they are not going to cop that.

 

[SandyQLS]

I don't. Thanksgiving is a lot of work made ahead of time and Grandmas get to pass the torch. We had Thanksgiving at our son's home. We let them do the work. Family recipes are meant to be handed down. JMO

A lot of families don't even have Thursday Thanksgiving including LE, hospital staff, airport and hotel workers. We did Friday this year for no particular reason, and I have a friend whose whole family does Saturday for the last 20 years to accomodate all the work/travel schedules. As an LE family, the F's could have been off standard.

 

[cluciano63]

Never mind/delete...

 

[MassGuy]

My ex is a pilot and my daughter is an instructor pilot, but I don’t know what happens when a pilot is missing. It seems like they could be used by terrorists or in other ways like that. Would there be any different type of alert or way they would go about it if they truly thought KC was alive and missing, in regards to her being an instructor pilot?

They’d certainly expand the FBI involvement here, and they would likely take over the investigation.

Something like that would be unprecedented though.

They couldn’t use her for much, as they’d still need a plane and airstrip, at which to use her to teach them to fly.

That would be more like a movie plot than real life.

 

[Seattle1]

Does Kelsey have a lot of relatives in Soap Lake, Washington?
I know they mention a grandmother.

Yes. Reportedly, KB was raised on a farm in Moses Lake, WA -- about 20 miles from Soap Lake, WA. She appears to have several Aunts,Uncles, and cousins in the area - several that have talked to media. Her parents recently relocated to Sandpoint, ID area (about 175 miles).

 

[Janieva]

There is no evidence whatsoever that KB was suffering from any depression or psychosis. JMO

As a pilot, I don’t think they are able to get mental help or go on those types of meds, as far as I know. So, if she did have depression or any mental illness or disorder, it would not have been something she would have discussed, as far as I know.

 

[Esma]

I think LE established that he picked up the baby at her house. I wonder if they got in an argument because she was taking care of the baby, cooking, shopping and he wasn’t helping her and that’s why he came to pick up the baby. Maybe it ensued to a full argument about their relationship situation. No marriage date, unable to buy a house together because his money situation wasn’t improving etc. She did buy the house she lived in in May 2018. That’s pretty telling that she is establishing herself without him. Maybe it came to a full on meltdown between the two that day, sparked by his absence when she was doing everything.

 

[crhedBngr]

That baby girl is a great concern to me --

What about Kelsey's daughter?? Is she staying with Frazee all the time, or did I miss more info about who will be taking care of her day and night?
It's a really worrisome thing for me. Babies can cry a lot -- a lot -- sometimes, and it can get tiring and even aggravating, especially at 3:00am, and you're planning to be up and out to work at 5:00 or 6:00am, and she just won't quit that crying, please, baby, please shut up and let me get some sleep, she is so loud, why won't she just pipe down and go back to sleep? I can't stand this much longer. Now I have to get up and get her to stop crying...
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Yes, it worries me...

Assuming PF lives with his mother, maybe she is taking care of the baby.

 

[GoJacks]

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV 32m32 minutes ago
- Ping in Idaho, as we've all thought, is suspicious. How did it get there w/o pinging other towers? - Had police known she was missing on Nov. 25, they could've pulled all tower data to see if there were other CO phone numbers possibly w/ hers. Data lasts 3-5 days #KelseyBerreth

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV 32m32 minutes ago
Also, there are two types of pings. A 'low ping' and 'high ping', for our understanding. A low ping tells you the phone was in the general vicinity of the tower. A high ping gives you the exact location, with GPS coordinates, of the phone. #KelseyBerreth

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV 32m32 minutes ago
Based on that knowledge, and the fact we haven't heard of a big search of a specific area near Gooding, Idaho, I think we can infer police received a 'low ping.' #KelseyBerreth

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV 31m31 minutes ago
Also, not all radii of cell towers are the same. They can be as small as two miles, or as far as 45 miles, according to Pfoff. Have to imagine Idaho's towers are on the further end of that range, based on the state's population. #KelseyBerreth

 

[Charlot123]

Looks like a tower dump is out. From the link:

Plus, Pfoff said there are two types of pings.

He said he thinks police received the lesser of the two, which would only tell them the phone was in the vicinity of the tower, rather than providing an exact location. Pfoff said tower radius varies among locations, ranging from two miles to as far as 45 miles.

“If it was a [true] ping, it means that the phone specifically told the tower, ‘I’m here, and here’s my location using GPS coordinates,” Pfoff said.

Additionally, the delay in reporting Berreth missing impacts the availability of cell phone data. Pfoff said investigators could have asked for what he calls a ‘tower dump’, gaining access to all of the numbers for phones that pinged off the tower that day.

However, he said towers only hold that data for three to five days. Woodland Park Police Chief Miles De Young said the texts and the ping happened on Nov. 25, but Berreth wasn’t reported missing by her mother until Dec. 2.

BBM. So if the tower dump already happened by Dec 2, does it mean that PF's phone could have traveled to ID, but it was too late to check when they found about the ping in ID? I don't quite understand how it works.

Also, if his phone was not Verizon but some lesser company, it could have not pinged at all?

 

[PrairieWind]

The septic location should be public land record. Has anyone checked yet?

Good point. There should be a site plan on file with county planning. That just seems like an odd place for a septic to me.

 

[tmar]

I would disagree. They may never find a body as the case I described earlier, but strong circumstantial evidence got him 3 consecutive life sentences. Only one body, his first victim, his father who he shot through the eye. First ruled a suicide, but when he was charged with two more murders where NO bodies were recovered he was charged on that too. Not easy for the prosecution as LE did a very sloppy job on collecting any evidence since they bought the son's "story" and ruled it a suicide. Cell phone logs sunk him along with video and other digital evidence.

That murderer also had bought an expensive incinerator to dispose of a body.
The incinerator was said to handle animal bodies!!!!
How are animals disposed of by PF, I wonder?
MOO.

 

[Esma]

Looks like a tower dump is out. From the link:

Plus, Pfoff said there are two types of pings.

He said he thinks police received the lesser of the two, which would only tell them the phone was in the vicinity of the tower, rather than providing an exact location. Pfoff said tower radius varies among locations, ranging from two miles to as far as 45 miles.

“If it was a [true] ping, it means that the phone specifically told the tower, ‘I’m here, and here’s my location using GPS coordinates,” Pfoff said.

Additionally, the delay in reporting Berreth missing impacts the availability of cell phone data. Pfoff said investigators could have asked for what he calls a ‘tower dump’, gaining access to all of the numbers for phones that pinged off the tower that day.

However, he said towers only hold that data for three to five days. Woodland Park Police Chief Miles De Young said the texts and the ping happened on Nov. 25, but Berreth wasn’t reported missing by her mother until Dec. 2.

Given that he says she went on a trip, I’m going to assume it was a real ping and he was in Idaho playing out his alibi.