CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #10

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I don't think they said how they knew she was at Safeway in the first place, although it's possible they did and I missed it. I wonder if they found a receipt from there when they did the welfare check.
It's not been confirmed but I believe LE received the information from either CB or PF. KB may have told her Mom she was going to Safeway for the ingredients for recipe she gave her during 11/22 phone call, or PF planned to pick up child after KB returned from store. Also, LE would be able to confirm by checking KB's bankcard record for use at Safeway. MOO
 
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He might have had large containers on hand as shown in the link below.

55 Gallon Drums, 30 Gallon Drums, Food Grade Drums in Stock - Uline

Supposedly, Drew Peterson used a similar type of container to dispose of Stacy Peterson's body.

Peterson's stepbrother tells of removing blue bin
He might’ve used a drum, I’m really not sure. She’s still a missing person, I think. He didn’t drive to Idaho with her, I know that. Anyway, driving 12 hours with huge chemical drums in the back of your pickup, during the most highly traveled weekend of the year, would draw unwanted attention from motorists.
 
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He might’ve used a drum, I’m really not sure. She’s still a missing person, I think. He didn’t drive to Idaho with her, I know that. Anyway, driving 12 hours with huge chemical drums in the back of your pickup, during the most highly traveled weekend of the year, would draw unwanted attention from motorists.
Unless he put the drum in a horse float.
 
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When did PF say this? PF has said almost nothing, and what little through his attorney iirc.
That is what he told her mother when she called him. And the Aunt said no one in the family were aware she was coming to Soap Lake.
 
  • #406
I wonder, are there any neighbors around PF's farm? Anyone seeing him during the 22-25 in Colorado? Alternatively, cameras on I-80 or I-84? Checking CO plate numbers, or any out-of-state ones? It seems the area in WI is so deserted, any plate number is a clue. Same around Gooding, it seems.
 
  • #407
I wonder if now-famous Star CBI Agent Tammy Lee is working Kelsey’s case?
 
  • #408
I wonder if now-famous Star CBI Agent Tammy Lee is working Kelsey’s case?
Ha! His lawyer won’t let her within 10 miles of him I bet, let alone allow her to talk to him.

If that was the case, he’d be in jail by tomorrow morning.
 
  • #409
I wonder if now-famous Star CBI Agent Tammy Lee is working Kelsey’s case?

My hubby is a detective and he's usually pretty tight-lipped when it comes to praising people but I'm pretty sure he's in love with Tammy. :p

I wonder what she thinks about this case.
 
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Lot 1: Scrap, Border Collie, 2 year old male, consigned by Patrick Frazee, CO $2500.00
Lot 6: Bell, Border Collie, 2 year old female, consigned by Patrick Frazee, CO $3000.00

Consignors had the opportunity to work their dogs on cattle at 9 a.m. and the sale was at 1 p.m. Both the preview and the sale were carried live on the internet to allow online bidding. Phone bids were also taken. This is the second year for this sale.

sorry this has nothing to do with KB but Patrick be making bank off his puppers
Normal prices for a started/trained BC.
 
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My hubby is a detective and he's usually pretty tight-lipped when it comes to praising people but I'm pretty sure he's in love with Tammy. :p

I wonder what she thinks about this case.

(She’s one heck of a rockstar for sure—-she is probably still debleaching from being in the same room as CW and having to touch him :eek: )

(ETA: So maybe CW isn’t the only one receiving love letters...)
 
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I know it would be out of character for her, but I want to believe that KB did run off and leave everything behind. But I keep coming back to the fact that I really don't think she would abandon her baby. IMO, if she was able to come home, she would have by now.
I also don't believe Kelsey would abandon her baby and because she is a new mom herself, and seemingly has a good relationship with her own mom, it seems especially unlikely that she would intentionally put her own mother through this nightmare.
 
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I don't think Kelsey can willingly come home right now. If she took the initiative to let her employer know that she would not be able to come into work for that week, it seems she would have contacted them at a later date to extend that time.
 
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I also don't believe Kelsey would abandon her baby and because she is a new mom herself, and seemingly has a good relationship with her own mom, it seems especially unlikely that she would intentionally put her own mother through this nightmare.

Exactly. I've tried to consider so many possibilities in my head, but I really haven't been able to come up with anything that leads to KB coming home safely. That doesn't mean PF is necessarily the guilty party, though I'm leaning way. Whatever happened, I don't see a happy ending. MOO.
 
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That is what he told her mother when she called him. And the Aunt said no one in the family were aware she was coming to Soap Lake.
KB's brother in law was quoted in the Daily Beast as stating that the entire Berreth clan was planning on gathering for Christmas at her parent's home near Sandpoint, Idaho (about 175 miles from Soap Lake, WA). It does not follow that KB would allegedly head off to Soap Lake, WA when she was planning a trip to the area to see family within a few more weeks. MOO
 
  • #416
My mind turns to awareness space here, as usual.

(Before I comment further on this would like to get caught up.)
 
  • #417
I have questions regarding the timeline; Häs it been established whether she baked the muffins before she spoke to her mother to request a recipe? And did that conversation occur the same day she was caught on camera shopping?
 
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I'm uploading another map view of the Waste Management transfer station, which is the big square building inside the circle. You can see the proximity of the Teller County Jail and the Teller County Sheriff's Offices--right next door, just feet away--even though the addresses for the jail and TCSO are on different streets.

IMO, it is highly unlikely that PF would risk disposing of incriminating material at this facility---like I said before, that would be nuts. If he wanted to dispose of incriminating material then I'm sure he knows of plenty of other locations where stuff could be dumped or hidden without the risk of getting caught.

I think it is likely he was just throwing stuff away: maybe getting rid of junk after the search, or maybe he had a job cleaning up someone else's property.
 

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I also don't believe Kelsey would abandon her baby and because she is a new mom herself, and seemingly has a good relationship with her own mom, it seems especially unlikely that she would intentionally put her own mother through this nightmare.
To me, it doesn’t even come down to if she would do something like that.

I consider it irrelevant, as it doesn’t change the details here.

Had she decided to run away, or harm herself in some manner, would it look like this?

Is there a logical explanation for her leaving her vehicles, the cell phone activity (text messages and ping), and her leaving absolutely no trace of herself.

If you are trying to disappear, there are preparations to be made.

Even if you make these preparations, people are likely to see you at some point.

Surveillance cameras are everywhere.

If you intend to harm yourself, then there is no need to leave a trail of breadcrumbs.

I’ve followed numerous cases where people do all sorts of bizarre things.

But they don’t look like how this looks.

And this looks like one thing.

Foul play.
 
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I have questions regarding the timeline; Häs it been established whether she baked the muffins before she spoke to her mother to request a recipe? And did that conversation occur the same day she was caught on camera shopping?

She spoke to her mother the same day she went shopping, but the exact time she made the cinnamon rolls isn't known. At one point someone (either her mom or brother) said she made the rolls for breakfast, but I don't have the link to back that up at the moment.
 
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