CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #10

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  • #941
What could you buy at Safeway that would make someone harm his fiance?
Edited: Pressed submit before done.

Other than a pregnancy test or a Dear John letter/Hallmark card - I would surmise to guess that she may have bought some things for a road trip. MAYBE a trip was planned to visit her grandmother and she planned on taking the baby with her. She wanted time to :think: about their relationship and/or maybe a job interview and/or plans to move to a new city. She needed a break. Usually when people lie there are snippets of the truth in there IMO. So maybe just maybe KB had told PF she was going OOT for a getaway. That is my #2 theory. Things escalated and well....
 
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People were trying to come up with an idea of what KB may have bought at Safeway that could have triggered anger in PF.
Thank you! We need something new, a presser from LE would be good. This no news is frustrating on many levels.
 
  • #944
Thank you

I corrected my grammar

Thank you, I appreciate it. The pages are going so fast I can't keep up. I thought I might have missed some new information. It's helpful if we "MOO" and "IMO" when speculating/theorizing, etc.

I appreciate the clarification. Thanks again.
 
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First and foremost, I want to make sure that everyone understands that I have taken a totally neutral position with this case. I have accepted the fact that I know close to nothing about anything that would allow me to get on one side of this fence or another. I spend my time trying to come up with as many possible scenarios that could've played out based on the info I feel to be provable fact, using my thoughts, beliefs and knowledge of basic human behavior. The desired end result, for me is not to determine if someone committed a crime and who that person right now. If I put any focus into trying to figure those things out, my thought process is altered dramatically. Basically, I just can't come up with as many and neutral scenarios.

Again, this is not what I believe took place. This is simply an idea that came to me after looking through information, that is all. What if PF did end up back at KBs home, probably to pick up the child. I am going to assume that he is able enter the home freely, with his own key or with one that is kept in a hiding place. He enters the home and finds KB unresponsive. There are a couple of possibilities that lead to him finding her in this state. A) Someone else had been there before he arrived and committed a crime against KB(I am trying really hard to avoid certain terms here. I apologize if it reads weird because of that.) It could've been someone she knew, a friend, someone who was more than a friend or maybe a complete stranger. At some point KB and this person got into an argument, fight, whatever and something was done to put her in the state that PF found her in. If I am going with a complete stranger that did this, it was a home invasion or something of that nature gone wrong. Or, B) she experienced some sort of reaction to medication, she drank too much and tripped down the stairs, she could have overdosed on something. There is always a chance that she really did have issues with substance abuse, she was having a difficult time with something and she went too far with whatever she was using that day. She passed out, stopped breathing and that was that. I am not sure which one I would lean more towards at this point. It doesn't really matter, one or the other was the cause of how PF found her when he walked into the home. Due to such recent cases like CW and the many, many others that seem to be taking place all over right now, PF goes into a complete panic for a number of reasons. He just found the woman he loves in an unresponsive state. He likely would've experienced intense fear when he realized he was going to be the primary suspect. He then realized his child would not have both parents if he was blamed for this happening. The baby would've been somewhere in the home, probably crying unless she was napping. That would add to the panic. Trying to figure out how to handle the situation, the pain that one would feel when realizing something awful just happened to the woman you love, the fear of being blamed for it, a crying baby somewhere, the extreme emotions in a moment like this would make it very hard for some people to think logically. If it was the overdose or substance related he might've given thought to making sure nobody found out how this happened. Maybe he did not want that to be last thing anyone thought about her. All of those emotions and that thinking could cause some people to be extremely irrational and impulsive. These two things, in an such a traumatic situation, could lead to someone taking steps to cover it up, to make it seem as though the other person just disappeared. Once it was all said and done this person realized what he had just done but, there was no way to go back on it. If he was to come clean about covering up the crime he walked into, nobody would believe a word of it. His situation would end up being worse than it would've been if he had told the truth from the beginning. So, it was too late for that. The following days consisted of the various things we know about through the press releases. He would've obtained the attorney, possibly being honest with that person, which led to him being told not to talk to any media or LE. It is possible they have been trying to come with a plan that would allow him to the tell the truth and also show he did nothing wrong. I could go on and on about how something like this would explain this, that and the other thing but, I hope everyone gets the ideas here.

When I give it even more thought, I believe something like this is very possible. I have read about people reacting in very irrational ways when overcome with intense fear and other emotions. I am interested in reading what you all think about this. Just me thinking out loud, that's all. I have no idea what happened in this case. It is baffling to me.
Sounds like CW having to dump his babies in oil tanks because nobody would believe that he hadn't killed them.
 
  • #947
Investigators search Kelsey Berreth's townhome in Woodland Park

WOODLAND PARK, Colo. - UPDATE: Investigators have confirmed they were searching the townhome of missing Woodland Park mother, Kelsey Berreth Wednesday afternoon.


eh....i hope they searched before this.

*i wonder if something in the trash brought them back to KBs house
 
  • #948
First and foremost, I want to make sure that everyone understands that I have taken a totally neutral position with this case. I have accepted the fact that I know close to nothing about anything that would allow me to get on one side of this fence or another. I spend my time trying to come up with as many possible scenarios that could've played out based on the info I feel to be provable fact, using my thoughts, beliefs and knowledge of basic human behavior. The desired end result, for me is not to determine if someone committed a crime and who that person right now. If I put any focus into trying to figure those things out, my thought process is altered dramatically. Basically, I just can't come up with as many and neutral scenarios.

Again, this is not what I believe took place. This is simply an idea that came to me after looking through information, that is all. What if PF did end up back at KBs home, probably to pick up the child. I am going to assume that he is able enter the home freely, with his own key or with one that is kept in a hiding place. He enters the home and finds KB unresponsive. There are a couple of possibilities that lead to him finding her in this state. A) Someone else had been there before he arrived and committed a crime against KB(I am trying really hard to avoid certain terms here. I apologize if it reads weird because of that.) It could've been someone she knew, a friend, someone who was more than a friend or maybe a complete stranger. At some point KB and this person got into an argument, fight, whatever and something was done to put her in the state that PF found her in. If I am going with a complete stranger that did this, it was a home invasion or something of that nature gone wrong. Or, B) she experienced some sort of reaction to medication, she drank too much and tripped down the stairs, she could have overdosed on something. There is always a chance that she really did have issues with substance abuse, she was having a difficult time with something and she went too far with whatever she was using that day. She passed out, stopped breathing and that was that. I am not sure which one I would lean more towards at this point. It doesn't really matter, one or the other was the cause of how PF found her when he walked into the home. Due to such recent cases like CW and the many, many others that seem to be taking place all over right now, PF goes into a complete panic for a number of reasons. He just found the woman he loves in an unresponsive state. He likely would've experienced intense fear when he realized he was going to be the primary suspect. He then realized his child would not have both parents if he was blamed for this happening. The baby would've been somewhere in the home, probably crying unless she was napping. That would add to the panic. Trying to figure out how to handle the situation, the pain that one would feel when realizing something awful just happened to the woman you love, the fear of being blamed for it, a crying baby somewhere, the extreme emotions in a moment like this would make it very hard for some people to think logically. If it was the overdose or substance related he might've given thought to making sure nobody found out how this happened. Maybe he did not want that to be last thing anyone thought about her. All of those emotions and that thinking could cause some people to be extremely irrational and impulsive. These two things, in an such a traumatic situation, could lead to someone taking steps to cover it up, to make it seem as though the other person just disappeared. Once it was all said and done this person realized what he had just done but, there was no way to go back on it. If he was to come clean about covering up the crime he walked into, nobody would believe a word of it. His situation would end up being worse than it would've been if he had told the truth from the beginning. So, it was too late for that. The following days consisted of the various things we know about through the press releases. He would've obtained the attorney, possibly being honest with that person, which led to him being told not to talk to any media or LE. It is possible they have been trying to come with a plan that would allow him to the tell the truth and also show he did nothing wrong. I could go on and on about how something like this would explain this, that and the other thing but, I hope everyone gets the ideas here.

When I give it even more thought, I believe something like this is very possible. I have read about people reacting in very irrational ways when overcome with intense fear and other emotions. I am interested in reading what you all think about this. Just me thinking out loud, that's all. I have no idea what happened in this case. It is baffling to me.
Who was the woman who killed her husband and then claimed he was abusive and she buried his body in the backyard in a fugue state? I'm pretty sure that scenario isn't going to pass anyone's sniff test.
 
  • #949
Have you reviewed video of PF “training” his dogs??
I've seen the video and shown them to others. There is nothing wrong with what he is doing.
 
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Can you link the reference for this?
I remember reading that she told her mother she may have plans to go to dinner, but did not indicate where or with whom. Unless there has been a more recent article that I missed. Imo
 
  • #952
Interesting thoughts today.

I'd love to survey you all on these three questions. For those of you who think PF is likely involved,

1. Do you think, if she was killed, that the perp intended to kill her or that it happened on impulse or even by accident?
2. Do you think one or more adults were present and witnessed a murder?
3. Is there any circumstance you can imagine where PF is the one who witnesses a purposeful/accidental murder, but doesn't turn the person in? Is there any chance he's protecting someone?

1. I'm probably in the minority, but I'm going with premeditated.

2. I think only PF and KB were there.

3. No.
 
  • #953
I've seen the video and shown them to others. There is nothing wrong with what he is doing.
And I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree. There was a number of issues with his "training".
 
  • #954
Sounds like CW having to dump his babies in oil tanks because nobody would believe that he hadn't killed them.
Ha! It does.

When something bad happens to someone close to you and your first reaction is to cover your own 🤬🤬🤬, you are either lying, or you are a terrible human being.

Most of the time, you are both.

Innocent people don’t behave this way.
 
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Investigators search Kelsey Berreth's townhome in Woodland Park

WOODLAND PARK, Colo. - UPDATE: Investigators have confirmed they were searching the townhome of missing Woodland Park mother, Kelsey Berreth Wednesday afternoon.


eh....i hope they searched before this.

*i wonder if something in the trash brought them back to KBs house
It is interesting that since the trash dump on Monday, authorities have now returned to both homes for “routine follow ups.”

I don’t think this is a coincidence.
 
  • #958
I would have hoped they would have searched her home sooner...BUT IMO they may have found something with the searches at PF’s (or his trash) that led them there now.....I pray they find something.
 
  • #959
I was actually surprised when KB's mom said that...frankly, KB looked more polished than me and my messy bun ever do, and I go to work that way. I wonder if maybe KB would dress down like that a lot when she didn't have to be at work?

To me it just adds to my theory that CB did not know KB as well as she thought. KB looked perfectly fine and seemed at ease in Safeway video. It also seems probable CB has not seen KB often since KB had baby K. To me KB looked like an average 29 year old mom. MOO
Overall I do not think KB told her mom all her life’s details and I think she didn’t always tell her mom the truth. JMO Therefore in my opinion we should not take KB telling CB she had Xmas tree fetching plans or Thanksgiving dinner plans at a restaurant as facts.
 
  • #960
From the article:

11 News was there for hours as federal authorities searched inside Kelsey Berreth's house in Woodland Park. The FBI will not comment on what they are looking for or if they have found anything. They were at her town home since this morning and have been in and out of it.

About eight investigators with the FBI and CBI were at the home. They were still on scene at 4:30 p.m. They were carrying items into the home but an 11 News reporter on scene for hours didn't see them carrying anything out.
 
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