CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #10

[BloodHoundSleuther]

Are there any veteranians on here that could tell us about the effects of horse tranquilizers on humans?

How fast?

Immediate effects?

How they are applied?

I have been told a lot about them, but can not confirm[/QUOTE

Ketamine is a horse tranquillizer. Mention of this drug also came up in the Kortne Stouffer case.

Horse Tranquilizer: Understanding the Truth About Ketamine Treatment?

 

[Cardgame]

My answer was going to be the same as Cardgame but since it looks like you are looking for some reason to blame KB, the only "trigger" I can think of is if she bought a knife and threatened him with it. But even that should not have lead to her being murdered. He is 6'3" and probably all muscle from his line of work and she is only 5'3" and 110 pounds. He could have overpowered her and called 911. There is never a reasonable "trigger" for murdering someone and hiding the body. People who are forced to kill in a self defense situation call 911.

MOO.

This.

Plus, if PF killed her then we're talking Domestic Violence. And who knows what might 'trigger' a perpetrator of domestic violence. Could be she put the wrong brand of coffee in the cart. Maybe he believed she was flirting with a man she didn't even look at. Maybe he thought her hair was a mess. Any old thing can 'trigger' a controlling sociopath.

I find this line of 'debate' troubling and problematic.

 

[whoizzit]

Ha. I think you have nailed it Pommy. I'm having flashbacks to another thread where we all thought someone was "bluffing". PF seems like this sort too.
MOO.

Waiting on the cell tower to start talking

 

[rangerover12]

Well if we are talking about Ketamine, immediately And they make you hallucinate.

Injected?

 

[esayer]

Injected?

snorted, injected...i don't think people do that. (but if you were injected with a vial of ketamine meant for a horse you would most likely die.)

 

[alucardsdream]

This.

Plus, if PF killed her then we're talking Domestic Violence. And who knows what might 'trigger' a perpetrator of domestic violence. Could be she put the wrong brand of coffee in the cart. Maybe he believed she was flirting with a man she didn't even look at. Maybe he thought her hair was a mess. Any old thing can 'trigger' a controlling sociopath.

I find this line of 'debate' troubling and problematic.

I really don't think anyone was trying to blame KB for setting PF off. We all know psychopaths don't function the same as normal people. But there has been a number of high profile cases where a man snapped and killed his pregnant partner, and I think that's why the subject of pregnancy came up.

 

[PommyMommy]

They had already done one search, I don't know how intensive, but enough that they knew if anything was missing, what was in the home (those dreaded cinnamon buns) and that her suitcase was still in the home. So it was more than a cursory walk through. LE has been very tight lipped about this investigation so they may have done more, but I agree it doesn't appear they did any in depth testing of things in the home.

I remember that it was intensive enough that they had a search warrant to go through her vehicles.
MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

Does all this mean that somewhere near Gooding, Idaho, there is a strange pig wandering around wearing a cell phone on it's collar ?

Lol!!!! Thank you for the laugh, cody22!

 

[Lhughessk]

That’s simply not true.

You can go over a house throughly with an initial CSI analysis, and still return at a later date when you have reason to do so.

I’ve seen this type of thing a lot.

It doesn’t mean that the house wasn’t investigated throughly the first time, just that there were potentially things learned during the course of the investigation, that necessitates a closer inspection.

Sometimes they’ll also send in an entirely new team to look at the scene with a fresh set of eyes.

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
It’s hard to tell. We haven’t been given word of that. However, when we went to her home yesterday, there was red tape on her door dated 12/15/18. It was taped on both the door & its frame, presumably so investigators would know if someone entered her home. #KelseyBerreth

(In response to a non-MSM tweet inquiring about whether KB's home was ruled out as a crime scene.)

They didn't "finally" get around to it. It was a routine follow-up.
MOO

You’re simply quoting what LE said. They have no obligation to be truthful.

An example of a routine follow-up is when they went to PF’s house that second time and were there briefly as opposed to two days for the primary search.

There is nothing routine about multiple agencies spending many hours (and it’s still going on) at a residence that is 700 square feet.

When they walked through the residence before, Clint was with them and they were relying on his familiarity with his sister to identify anything that might be amiss.

This is full-blown CSI, and it is arising, IMHO, from something they found elsewhere.

 

[Janieva]

I haven’t had the time to go back through all of the KB threads in here, but did anyone post the video of PF talking about his working dogs for sale? Four of them were tethered and one was obeying his commands with cattle I think it was. I couldn’t watch the whole thing, it was chilling to me to listen to him talk about the 4 dogs tied up.

 

[Lore Listener]

No

In my opinion, PF does not know this stuff, nor does he (IMO) have the engineering background or social circle where it would have been discussed.

At 5:12 PM, on that one day he turned the phone on, probably for the last time to see if her work had replied or what her mom had sent.

He did not know one ping would escape to a tower in Idaho.

He likely had to use the phone in wifi mode to send the texts and knew enough to do that to avoid detection.

He had no clue about Idaho

This may be why LE mounted no search effort in Idaho at all

So pings "escape"? I'm envisioning a winged ping (kinda like a homing pigeon or golden snitch) escaping PF's phone and flying to greener pastures in Idaho rather than it's intended target.

 

[bestill]

12-14-18 PF's property search
12-15-18 Kelsey's door sealed and dated. PF's property search ends late in the evening.
12-17-18 PF spotted at waste management with two other men in two vehicles discarding items from a long trailer.
12-18-18 LE is seen at waste management taking aways items that were disposed by PF and "helpers".
12-18-18 LE goes back to PF's property for a "routine visit" based on the initial search
12-19-18 LE spends day at Kelsey's home bringing items in but not seen removing items.

Something has been discovered, IMO

 

[rangerover12]

Thank you

 

[PommyMommy]

You’re simply quoting what LE said. They have no obligation to be truthful.

An example of a routine follow-up is when they went to PF’s house that second time and were there briefly as opposed to two days for the primary search.

There is nothing routine about multiple agencies spending many hours (and it’s still going on) at a residence that is 700 square feet.

When they walked through the residence before, Clint was with them and they were relying on his familiarity with his sister to identify anything that might be amiss.

This is full-blown CSI, and it is arising, IMHO, from something they found elsewhere.

I was simply pointing out that the house has been searched before. There was a community caretaker search, another search that included KB's vehicles - with a warrant, and today's search. Those are the searches I'm aware of, and based on what I've seen in other cases, follow-up searches are common. IE: Routine. IIRC, the crime scene at the Closs home was processed three (four?) times purposely using different CSI's to ensure they didn't miss anything.
MOO

 

[MassGuy]

You’re simply quoting what LE said. They have no obligation to be truthful.

An example of a routine follow-up is when they went to PF’s house that second time and were there briefly as opposed to two days for the primary search.

There is nothing routine about multiple agencies spending many hours (and it’s still going on) at a residence that is 700 square feet.

When they walked through the residence before, Clint was with them and they were relying on his familiarity with his sister to identify anything that might be amiss.

This is full-blown CSI, and it is arising, IMHO, from something they found elsewhere.

I agree that it is based on something found elsewhere, possibly in relation to that trash dump.

I’ve seen CSI teams return to the scene of a murder, on multiple occasions.

Doing it now, doesn’t mean it wasn’t done before.

They did it atleast twice in the Jayme Closs case, for instance.

 

[?mysterian?]

I haven’t had the time to go back through all of the KB threads in here, but did anyone post the video of PF talking about his working dogs for sale? Four of them were tethered and one was obeying his commands with cattle I think it was. I couldn’t watch the whole thing, it was chilling to me to listen to him talk about the 4 dogs tied up.

Yes, it was discussed over this thread and the 2 previous ones, IIRC.

 

[BradB]

I’m interested in what they found at Kelsey’s home. If anything.

 

[Charlot123]

pregnancy test kit

I thought about it. I even thought (but did not want to post) that there could have been another pregnancy, that PF knew about and didn't want.

This is why yesterday I asked if PF was religious. His views are important in view of their relationship.

 

[MsBetsy]

Thank you! I did not follow that case so had not heard of that.

In that case two people were brutally murdered and a child was abducted from the home. I'm not sure if its standard procedure with every missing persons case but it would be good to know. I don't know why they didn't search her home before this. Imo

 

[scmom]

Wonder if LE has found any evidence of foul play in PF's truck?