CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #11

[Jethro4WS]

Referring again to this article regarding this cell phone ping in Idaho and how the tower dumps work. The expert says towers only hold that data for three to five days. Woodland Park Police Chief Miles De Young said the texts and the ping happened on Nov. 25, but Berreth wasn’t reported missing by her mother until Dec. 2.

Cell phone data is key to cracking Berreth case, expert says

Yeah, it doesn't quite work the way that expert says. Information that gets to the towers ends up elsewhere in the phone system as records in enormous databases. When law enforcement want to know ping information, or even just the last ping, the phone provider doesn't send something to the tower but rather the provider just runs a query against their database and they have the answer rather quickly. If it worked in a way where it was dependent on asking a tower "Hey, have you seen this phone?" the provider would have to make requests to tens of thousands of towers. This would be hugely inefficient and require a cell tower to be more than, well, a cell tower.

The same is true of a cell tower dump. The phone provider doesn't request the tower to dump whatever data it has. As I said above that information is already stored in a database elsewhere. And all the provider does is query all records associated with that tower within a given time frame.

That expert's expertise either only goes so far or he is intentionally being misleading.

 

[moonlessnight]

LE did not say nothing was found. Media was not told about anything that was found by LE.

Thank you. I saw a couple of posts in the other thread stating that nothing was found during either search of his home and just wondered if I missed an article by MSM. I was out shopping for a few hours, so I thought I just missed it. Apparently, we have some folks assuming things again, and they don't like to put MOO or JMO, making it appear as a fact instead of speculation.

 

[Steelslady]

Here is what the info from WPU reported:
Things he has confirmed from KB neighbor that shared a driveway with her:
1. PF and KB were not openly romantic with each other. He would normally pick up child and leave.
2. Neighbor never saw PF stay overnight.
3. The neighbor said she saw a red truck and sometimes a dark blue truck at KB residence on a regular basis dropping off baby. He routinely blocked her driveway with his truck.
4. The neighbor stated they kept to themselves. She did see KB outside a lot reading w/ K.
5. KB was visited by her mother quite a few times.
And more info from WPU - they showed video w/ CBI and FBI taking boxes of stuff from KB home and loading them in a truck.
edited to clarify info

Thank you for this, much appreciated!

 

[cujenn81]

After scrolling through KB's Pinterest account, I made a note of the recent pins that may or may not mean anything at all (but that I felt may be important to note).

- A LOT of religious quotes about:

"blessings in disguise"
and/or
"storms that are meant to steer you away from harmful places"
and/or
"God taking away things that aren't good for you"
and/or
"staying strong, trusting in God's plan, remaining patient and faithful"
and/or
"recognizing the enemy"
and/or
"failing and starting over"
and/or
"being chosen by God's calling"
and/or
"never giving up hope because miracles happen all the time"

- beautiful vacation or travel destinations (Norway, Iceland, Italy, Sweden, Normandy, Belgium)
- ranch style home designs, farm houses, architectural designs, house plans
- a cinnamon roll oatmeal recipe
- maternity outfits

www.pinterest.com/kelseyberreth

 

[Jennifer17]

Even worse.

Sorry, I do not mean to put down farmers. First and foremost, it is a very hard work. One really has to love it.

My dad, who grew up in a small town, basically a village (he ended up moving to a big city and becoming a professor), and me, had very different response to the smell of manure. Me, "phew!". Dad, smiling "smells of a cow".

So people who live on the farms and raise livestock usually have ties to it, love it.

It is my opinion that he is not a farmer and does not live on a farm. He lives on a small acreage where he cobbles together a living by breeding dogs and fattening a few head of cattle.
ETA. Not even his acreage. His mother's.

 

[moonlessnight]

thanks for the info.

what an - blocking the neighbor's driveway. where is the blue truck now?

Here is what the info from WPU reported:
Things he has confirmed from KB neighbor that shared a driveway with her:
1. PF and KB were not openly romantic with each other. He would normally pick up child and leave.
2. Neighbor never saw PF stay overnight.
3. The neighbor said she saw a red truck and sometimes a dark blue truck at KB residence on a regular basis dropping off baby. He routinely blocked her driveway with his truck.
4. The neighbor stated they kept to themselves. She did see KB outside a lot reading w/ K.
5. KB was visited by her mother quite a few times.
And more info from WPU - they showed video w/ CBI and FBI taking boxes of stuff from KB home and loading them in a truck.
edited to clarify info

 

[ReadySet]

It would be difficult if not impossible to throw a body into the Gorge without being noticed, IMO. You can't go down to the park where the pedestrian bridge is at night. And it would be extremely difficult to stop your car on the highway. The gorge is pretty open, if a body were on the rocks it would be seen pretty quickly. Also, I agree with others who have said a body would most likely be disposed in or closer to Colorado.

Good Guess.
That spot sounds like a possible candidate for not only the phone being tossed but possibly a body as well.

It made me wonder. I have to wonder if someone had 100 phones that were completely turned off and threw each one off of the bridge to have them smash onto the rocks, then what are the odds that 1 or more of them would send out a ping signal as its electronics became smashed, meshed together, short circuited, etc.?

Could something that like explain the last mystery ping?

Wonder if any studies have ever been done to see if smashing a perfectly good phone that is turned off would occasionally make a last solitary ping as it fizzles out and breaks apart? Hmmmmm

 

[alucardsdream]

thanks for the info.

what an - blocking the neighbor's driveway. where is the blue truck now?

I wonder who drove the blue truck.

 

[PommyMommy]

They carried out three large cardboard boxes (from KB's home), one of them sealed with red tape.
Per KKTV livestream.
MOO

 

[bellesnwhistles]

"Update" seems to be just talking about the search of her townhome, nothing new :/

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

I agree, I think that LE might have found something in PF’s trash that actually disproved their theory about him. JMO

Keeping in mind it is highly unlikely that PF’s ranch had curbside trash service and taking trash to the dump would be a normal occurrence for the ranch

If he is guilty, then he went to all the effort to create a ping in Idaho with her cell phone. Then never report her missing for so many days, as well as somehow keeping her family from reporting her missing or any coworkers or friends. All the while destroying evidence and hiding her body and taking care of a 15 month old. And when KB was reported missing keeping complete silence (and keeping his family silent) and lawyering up.

But then he put something incriminating in his trash??? If the trash incriminates him then he wanted to get caught. MOO

MOO - Or they found something at the dump, like a towel or a sheet that appeared to be part of a set and they went back to PF’s and to KB’s in effort to find the matching linens. MOO

 

[crhedBngr]

They carried out three large cardboard boxes, one of them sealed with red tape.
Per KKTV livestream.
MOO

What does the red tape mean?

ETA: Apologies - in my eagerness, I called the update a "presser". Sorry about that.

 

[Steelslady]

thanks for the info.

what an - blocking the neighbor's driveway. where is the blue truck now?

I just love you- you crack me up sometimes! I totally agree with him being a donkey's butt for blocking the neighbor's driveway like that. He certainly has a few character flaws.

 

[ReadySet]

Just the part where the waterfall is is the Devil's Washbowl. Here's a picture of the Gorge looking the other way.

Interesting! A google earth streetview from the overlook shows a sign calling it "Devil's Washbowl": Google Maps

 

[Charlot123]

Thank you for posting that. So "only" 55% of murdered women were killed by a former or current partner. I'm sure it depends on the circumstances and every case is different.

You know, I think we should explore the possibility that KB went off with or was abducted by a stranger or acquaintance.

One thing to think about---KB's house is centrally located in Woodland Park, and is a few-minutes walk to several bars and micro-breweries on Highway 24, the main thoroughfare in town. (See picture.) It is very possible that, after PF picked the child up from her house on Thanksgiving Day, KB grabbed her purse and her phone and walked down the street to get something to eat or drink. She could have gone to meet a friend or friends, or she might have gone alone. Lots and lots of traffic on Hwy 24, as it is one of the major routes from the plains into the mountains---lots of people would have been traveling through Woodland Park on their way to ski resorts and other mountain destinations. Plenty of unsavory characters.

Note: The "pin" is KB's house.

I didn't say, "only".

Here is what I think.

Too many unknowns. I think it was someone she knew, but really, her life, her work are totally obscured.

I was wondering if she was a jogger and it was a hit-and-hide situation, but it won't explain the texts.

I am surprised that no one volunteered to speak about her - from her past life.

LE probably has his/her reasons. But since I don't know them, in all fairness, I am not yet ready to accuse PF only. Tons of variables.

 

[haven71]

What does the red tape mean?

Not sure. Sealing it and flagging it sounds like it’s very important evidence, I hope.

 

[PommyMommy]

What does the red tape mean?

ETA: Apologies - in my eagerness, I called the update a "presser". Sorry about that.

To me it means evidence.
MOO

 

[moonlessnight]

to hold it over him and make him stay with them: "we did all this for you and now you want to leave?" he's too weak to stand up to them and do what he wants so he punishes those closest to him. coward.

To what point, though? I imagine at 20 they thought that he would marry and buy his own home later.

 

[Janieva]

But the opposite might be true as well. The pressure to marry might be higher if a woman really wants to have a child. KB already has a child! And people are different, but would a woman who got out of a hay farm want to go back to a farm and spend a life there? And PF seems good-looking enough, and tall, but in aviation, there are lots of good-looking men, sharing her passion. Between them two, I think she could compare, and be the first to get disappointed in what he was offering. Keep in mind, financially she was independent from him.

I don't think she had an affair, maybe she wanted to grow professionally, and maybe I am thinking of a farm life as uninteresting because I am a big city girl. (Even a suburb is dull to me, schools are good here, though).

So perhaps you are right and I am wrong, but looking at her, pretty, young, a pilot, I think, gal, you have chances to grow in your profession, the sky, don't tie yourself up to the farm. Farm is soil.

P. S. Agree about him being a mess, btw.

I have wondered how she felt comfortable leaving the baby with him, if she had seen how he was with the animals and he was like some said he was with them?Did she state her distaste in this at some point, maybe walking up to him at some point in the middle of him disiplining an animal and stating that she didn’t want this for her child.

 

[Bill Carson]

ONLY???

Yes, "only."

It seems like everyone who has posted their percentages of likely causes for KB's disappearance have listed the odds of KB being abducted by a stranger or acquaintance at less than a 1% chance, but the odds are actually much, much higher than that, statistically speaking.