CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #11

[Jennifer17]

MOO - Or they found something at the dump, like a towel or a sheet that appeared to be part of a set and they went back to PF’s and to KB’s in effort to find the matching linens. MOO

Yes! The matching sheet.

 

[MKZoo]

So. Stay with me for a minute... I just finished a bit of a baking marathon and I’m slightly delirious. I made frosted Christmas cookies. It was my mother’s recipe before it was mine and her mother’s recipe before it was hers.. etc. It’s a bit time consuming but I do it so I can bring a dozen or so with me to various parties over the next few days. I like to bring a bit of my mom and grandma and my family tradition to friends homes over the holidays.

It made me think of KB calling her mom for a recipe. I simply do not believe she was going “out” to a restaurant on Thanksgiving. I think she was planning to make some dish that she felt would bring a bit herself and her tradition to wherever she was going. Someone’s home. She didn’t just run off on vacation in the middle of that. So the question becomes - why wasn’t she missed at this place where she was bringing a dish? The more I think about that, the stranger it seems. Everything is just so wrong about this story.

Obviously, JMO.

 

[Esma]

It is my opinion that he is not a farmer and does not live on a farm. He lives on a small acreage where he cobbles together a living by breeding dogs and fattening a few head of cattle.
ETA. Not even his acreage. His mother's.

And if he wanted to be married to KB and buy a house together- it would have happened long before the baby became 14 months old. He doesn’t want to move forward and she does is my opinion. If you want to be a family- you just do it and live on a budget that works to make it happen. Maybe she didn’t want to tell her religious family the truth of the situation since she already had the baby out of wedlock, so she reassured them it was only a financial delay and her mother reports this and accepts this answer.

 

[Bill Carson]

" Only" a little more than half are killed by intimate partners? That same article said 16% are murdered by strangers.

You are correct--16 murdered by strangers, and I corrected my post to indicate that I was referring to the 45% being the percentage of women killed by someone other than a current or former partner.

I should be more precise with my language.

 

[tara83]

Yes, "only."

It seems like everyone who has posted their percentages of likely causes for KB's disappearance have listed the odds of KB being abducted by a stranger or acquaintance at less than a 1% chance, but the odds are actually much, much higher than that, statistically speaking.

I am very open to other possibilities.I do think some are too quick to assume someone is guilty before hearing all the evidence.

 

[Jennifer17]

Yes, "only."

It seems like everyone who has posted their percentages of likely causes for KB's disappearance have listed the odds of KB being abducted by a stranger or acquaintance at less than a 1% chance, but the odds are actually much, much higher than that, statistically speaking.

Yes, 15% higher but does not really compare to 55% IMO.

 

[Jethro4WS]

What does the red tape mean?

ETA: Apologies - in my eagerness, I called the update a "presser". Sorry about that.

Evidence seal. No special meaning.

 

[GoJacks]

Yes, "only."

It seems like everyone who has posted their percentages of likely causes for KB's disappearance have listed the odds of KB being abducted by a stranger or acquaintance at less than a 1% chance, but the odds are actually much, much higher than that, statistically speaking.

I'm pretty sure people think it's less than 1% because of the particular happenings of the case.

such as her employer being texted

 

[moonlessnight]

apparently red tape means safety or health risk

Yellow vs. Red - Safety Matters

What does the red tape mean?

ETA: Apologies - in my eagerness, I called the update a "presser". Sorry about that.

 

[Jo in Calif]

Here is what the info from WPU reported:
Things he has confirmed from KB neighbor that shared a driveway with her:
1. PF and KB were not openly romantic with each other. He would normally pick up child and leave.
2. Neighbor never saw PF stay overnight.
3. The neighbor said she saw a red truck and sometimes a dark blue truck at KB residence on a regular basis dropping off baby. He routinely blocked her driveway with his truck.
4. The neighbor stated they kept to themselves. She did see KB outside a lot reading w/ K.
5. KB was visited by her mother quite a few times.
And more info from WPU - they showed video w/ CBI and FBI taking boxes of stuff from KB home and loading them in a truck.
edited to clarify info

Read it again peeps, he blocked her driveway with his truck, not the neighbors.

 

[alucardsdream]

Yes, "only."

It seems like everyone who has posted their percentages of likely causes for KB's disappearance have listed the odds of KB being abducted by a stranger or acquaintance at less than a 1% chance, but the odds are actually much, much higher than that, statistically speaking.

But of the 16% of women murdered by strangers, how many of them were actually abducted? They could be murdered in their own home by a stranger. They don't all disappear.

 

[PommyMommy]

They carried out three large cardboard boxes (from KB's home), one of them sealed with red tape.
Per KKTV livestream.
MOO

Sorry to quote myself, but this is very curious. This is what KKTV reported earlier:

About eight investigators with the FBI and CBI were at the home. They were still on scene at 4:30 p.m. They were carrying items into the home but an 11 News reporter on scene for hours didn't see them carrying anything out.
FBI searches missing Woodland Park mom's home on Wednesday

Hoping to see an update to the article.
MOO

 

[Charlot123]

Yeah, it doesn't quite work the way that expert says. Information that gets to the towers ends up elsewhere in the phone system as records in enormous databases. When law enforcement want to know ping information, or even just the last ping, the phone provider doesn't send something to the tower but rather the provider just runs a query against their database and they have the answer rather quickly. If it worked in a way where it was dependent on asking a tower "Hey, have you seen this phone?" the provider would have to make requests to tens of thousands of towers. This would be hugely inefficient and require a cell tower to be more than, well, a cell tower.

The same is true of a cell tower dump. The phone provider doesn't request the tower to dump whatever data it has. As I said above that information is already stored in a database elsewhere. And all the provider does is query all records associated with that tower within a given time frame.

That expert's expertise either only goes so far or he is intentionally being misleading.

The latter, I think. Or else, they didn't get anything that they can use.

Another version - hers (I assume, read somewhere) pinged from a Verizon tower. His might be from another provider. Then Verizon won't give anything. One has to ask AT@T and T-Mobile and whatnot towers in the 35 miles area. And we are lucky if there are such towers around Gooding.

And also, what if the person who sent these texts lived in ID and bought the cellphone there? Is from KB's past life? The numbers travel with the owners. I get local calls with lots of different numbers, most often, CA, but others, too.

What I mean, it will take time.

Looking for different spots in WI I realized it was, effectively, nr 2 most deserted place after Sahara.

 

[Bill Carson]

apparently red tape means safety or health risk

Yellow vs. Red - Safety Matters

Perhaps the cinnamon rolls have sprouted mold. I wonder if anyone cleaned out the refrigerator? It probably looks like a science experiment by now.

 

[moonlessnight]

the use of the word "only" in reference to 55% of murdered women being killed by an intimate partner is dismissive to the issue of domestic violence and homicide. you may have meant it in reference to the percentage of risk of homicide by partner in this case, but it came across as dismissive.

Yes, "only."

It seems like everyone who has posted their percentages of likely causes for KB's disappearance have listed the odds of KB being abducted by a stranger or acquaintance at less than a 1% chance, but the odds are actually much, much higher than that, statistically speaking.

 

[moonlessnight]

it's actually not clear unless the neighbor was a male or gender neutral.

Read it again peeps, he blocked her driveway with his truck, not the neighbors.

 

[Penny4YourThoughts]

As if your username and lovely flower photo weren't clue enough, "shoots" just made me giggle and reminisce about my days on the Big Island.

Same! Same! @Denvergirl @Kapua ... KB needs our help from near and far!

 

[NewMama]

And if he wanted to be married to KB and buy a house together- it would have happened long before the baby became 14 months old. He doesn’t want to move forward and she does is my opinion. If you want to be a family- you just do it and live on a budget that works to make it happen.

I've been leaning towards the opposite. She just can't bring herself to commit and perhaps wants to move back to her prior city and job. In most states the unmarried father would need to file for a court order for visitation. She could file for support. It was either money motivated or the gall of losing his only heir.
That's where my imagination has led me. I also believe her mom knew what the deal was and is following instruction to keep everything kosher for the media.

 

[Hatfield]

Just the part where the waterfall is is the Devil's Washbowl. Here's a picture of the Gorge looking the other way.

Wow. Thats what I love about Colorado and Idaho even. When they say "Gorge" they mean it. Very nice. That Gorge appears to be in Idaho.

I had visited the Royal Gorge before in Canon City, CO and walked the pedestrian bridge over it. One of the tallest suspension bridges in CO I believe. I get the heeby jeebies just thinking about it.

https://royalgorgebridge.com/about-the-park/

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[notallfloridiansarecrazy]

thanks for the info.

what an - blocking the neighbor's driveway. where is the blue truck now?

I interpreted this statement as PF blocked KB's driveway, not the neighbor's.