CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #11

[MassGuy]

But I guess that's the point that I'm admittedly doing a horrible job of trying to make

We're quick to say it's crazy he didn't report her missing but at the same time we're saying we have no idea of their relationship. Sure, if they we're happily married and looking together and she went missing, we'd expect him to report her missing. Do we know how often they saw each other? Or the longest period of time they've gone since the baby was born without communication to one another?

We don’t. What we know is that there was suspicious cell phone activity, which appears to have been an effort to mislead law enforcement.

We know that law enforcement has determined that her disappearance is “suspicious,” which is not something they say lightly.

They have called in the CBI and FBI, who are experts in this sort of thing.

They certainly do not believe that she left on her own.

There is a reason for this.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Mentioned that she may have. Don't believe everything that is the opinion of posters.

If we discussed only what was proven now, there would be nothing to discuss because all we have is that she is missing, that her phone was in Idaho, that nobody was alarmed for quite some time. That's pretty much it.

 

[alucardsdream]

But I guess that's the point that I'm admittedly doing a horrible job of trying to make

We're quick to say it's crazy he didn't report her missing but at the same time we're saying we have no idea of their relationship. Sure, if they we're happily married and looking together and she went missing, we'd expect him to report her missing. Do we know how often they saw each other? Or the longest period of time they've gone since the baby was born without communication to one another?

Even if their relationship was rocky, I still think she would have called him routinely when he had the baby. She may not have been calling him just to chat on days when she had the baby, but since her family has continually stated that it's out of character for her to be out of touch like this, I really think the lack of contact to check up on the baby should have been a huge red flag to PF if he honestly had nothing to do with her disappearance. MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

Concur!

I just meant from your overall reading and knowledge about these sorts, just on a gut level does he seem to fit all of the above? I recognize that none of us know much about him at all.

Even so, I get brooding milquetoast rather than gutsy. JMO

Then again, I feel sure that he made her disappear, so.... moo

Ha! If this was your average guy, I would say that the body is close to home.

No one wants to hold on to a decaying body, only to take the chance of dumping it hundreds of miles away.

But in this case, I think that he just might have done this.

He had the resources to do it, the benefit of time, and traveled a hell of a long way just to generate a phone ping.

Why not haul a body too?

 

[SandyQLS]

I ran some flying times that are probably based on commercial airliners (faster). If a small plane is slower, but could fly municipal to municipal without parking, ticketing, TSA, lines.... I am guesstimating equivalence between the two as rough approximations.

Colorado Springs, CO to Spokane, WA = 2 hours 15 minutes

Pueblo, CO to Twin Falls, ID =
1 hour 42 minutes

Flight Time Calculator

Easy day round trip to Soap Lake, WA, or Gooding, ID, or sightseeing anywhere. The weather was good on Sunday Nov 25 in CO, iirc.

 

[BoyThatsWeird]

We know that law enforcement has determined that her disappearance is “suspicious,” which is not something they say lightly.

That's a very good point that I hadn't put enough weight to until you writing it out like that.

 

[Jennifer17]

If we discussed only what was proven now, there would be nothing to discuss because all we have is that she is missing, that her phone was in Idaho, that nobody was alarmed for quite some time. That's pretty much it.

You don't think that her fiance should be alarmed at the mother of his child is missing?

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

I bet she is in Idaho with someone she started a new relationship with. Perhaps something went wrong with that relationship. Have the police said anything about her mental state? Another poster mentioned that she may have sought mental health care in Idaho. It would make sense that she would hide it and go to another state. She was a pilot and she would lose her license if she is found to suffer from some disorders. The police would not know because HIPPA and privacy laws would require the medical facility to deny any knowledge of her. She, and her phone, may be together seeking help. Everything is a theory right now. There is just no evidence available.

With all due respect, I disagree. All the evidence that is available publicly and whatever is private that LE have been acting on and that was sufficient for a judge to issue a warrant to search the property of PF and that has LE focused on PF is in opposition to your theory. Respectfully, MOO.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Goodnight all, I’m getting punchy, and a little to giddy Moo-ing. Universe, bring us all joyous news tomorrow that we are wrong and miss KB is safe, sound, happy and found!

 

[whoizzit]

Ha! If this was your average guy, I would say that the body is close to home.

No one wants to hold on to a decaying body, only to take the chance of dumping it hundreds of miles away.

But in this case, I think that he just might have done this.

He had the resources to do it, the benefit of time, and traveled a hell of a long way just to generate a phone ping.

Why not haul a body too?

I want to quote something Shakespearean about the darkness of souls but am at a nauseated loss for words instead.

I see your point. Ewwwwww tho. Serves me right for asking!

 

[glamourkitty1922]

It is interesting that the phone pinged in Gooding, ID which has multiple mental health facilities. I think the seeking help theory is as valid as any other theory. She could have been suffering from post partum depression. While ppd doesn't automatically mean a pilot loses her license, she still wouldn't want to deal with FFA doctors and have it on her record.

 

[Charlot123]

We have no information about her mental state.

HIPAA laws allow for law enforcement to determine if a missing person is at a facility.

They are not “black holes.”

No case receiving this type of national attention, has ever been resolved by the missing person being found at a mental institution.

It does not happen.

She is almost certainly dead, no matter what happened.

For the sake of her parents, the family, her kids, I still hope, against all odds, that she is alive.
Let her be in a mental instutution, or in any medical facility. Maybe she is lost somewhere, wandering. Anything is better than foul play.

I just wanted to say - no scenario that people posted is wrong or bad, moving in with someone is now wrong, traveling is not wrong, deciding to have some fun and relax from a year of working nonstop and raising a kid on weekends is not wrong, we are all human. Nothing that people posted reflects badly on KB. Likewise, getting some help, be it emotional or physical one, is not wrong or bad. All is bearable, survivable and better than that finite version.

But if she has met foul play, I hope that she will be found, and there will be closure for her parents. They need some type of closure. I feel so sad for them, and for her, and for the kid.

 

[Jennifer17]

It is interesting that the phone pinged in Gooding, ID which has multiple mental health facilities. I think the seeking help theory is as valid as any other theory. She could have been suffering from post partum depression. While ppd doesn't automatically mean a pilot loses her license, she still wouldn't want to deal with FFA doctors and have it on her record.

Are there any more mental health facilities in Gooding, 700 miles from Colorado than there are in CO?

 

[GoJacks]

i think we can all agree she is not at the rehab place in Gooding, nor ever was.

the fbi,cbi, & po po, would know and thus would not be doing all this.

 

[alucardsdream]

It is interesting that the phone pinged in Gooding, ID which has multiple mental health facilities. I think the seeking help theory is as valid as any other theory. She could have been suffering from post partum depression. While ppd doesn't automatically mean a pilot loses her license, she still wouldn't want to deal with FFA doctors and have it on her record.

If she was in any hospital or mental health facility, LE would know by now. There's a HIPAA exception for cases where someone is a fugitive or a missing person.
Law enforcement disclosure powers
Q: Can the police get my medical information without a warrant?
A: Yes. The HIPAA rules provide a wide variety of circumstances under which medical information can be disclosed for law enforcement-related purposes without explicitly requiring a warrant.[iii] These circumstances include (1) law enforcement requests for information to identify or locate a suspect, fugitive, witness, or missing person (2) instances where there has been a crime committed on the premises of the covered entity, and (3) in a medical emergency in connection with a crime.[iv]

In other words, law enforcement is entitled to your records simply by asserting that you are a suspect or the victim of a crime.

FAQ on Government Access to Medical Records

 

[whoizzit]

It is interesting that the phone pinged in Gooding, ID which has multiple mental health facilities. I think the seeking help theory is as valid as any other theory. She could have been suffering from post partum depression. While ppd doesn't automatically mean a pilot loses her license, she still wouldn't want to deal with FFA doctors and have it on her record.

I don’t find it interesting in the least as regards any totally unsubstantiated mental illness. Why on earth would she travel 800 or whatever miles away? Why not tell a single soul who cares about her?

Why not check into Betty Ford?

It’s just as plausible imo. Meaning not.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

You don't think that her fiance should be alarmed at the mother of his child is missing?

We don't know anything about their relationship. My Father in law decided to go on a week's fishing trip in another country and just left, not telling my Mother in law. He sent a little note saying he'll be back in a week. She was angry at him, but she didn't call the police or anything. She just waited for his return. My family doesn't get worried when I am out of touch for weeks. We don't know how independent she is or how seriously she keeps her family and her fiance informed of her movements. Remember, nobody got worried for quite some time.

 

[MassGuy]

If she was in any hospital or mental health facility, LE would know by now. There's a HIPAA exception for cases where someone is a fugitive or a missing person.
Law enforcement disclosure powers
Q: Can the police get my medical information without a warrant?
A: Yes. The HIPAA rules provide a wide variety of circumstances under which medical information can be disclosed for law enforcement-related purposes without explicitly requiring a warrant.[iii] These circumstances include (1) law enforcement requests for information to identify or locate a suspect, fugitive, witness, or missing person (2) instances where there has been a crime committed on the premises of the covered entity, and (3) in a medical emergency in connection with a crime.[iv]

In other words, law enforcement is entitled to your records simply by asserting that you are a suspect or the victim of a crime.

FAQ on Government Access to Medical Records

Thank you!

I don’t have the energy to respond to this. It is ridiculous, and based solely on hope, not in fact.

I feel like we have gone in circles on this issue, and despite the input from people like yourself (knowledgeable in this sort of thing), we’re not making any progress.

Kelsey is as likely to be in a mental hospital, as she is on some distant planet.

This does not happen.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I don’t find it interesting in the least as regards any totally unsubstantiated mental illness. Why on earth would she travel 800 or whatever miles away? Why not tell a single soul who cares about her?

Why not check into Betty Ford?

It’s just as plausible imo. Meaning not.

She's a pilot, a mental illness can result in her losing her license or having to jump through FFA hoops. Why should she tell people? It may not be something she wants everyone to know. Most people have secrets. Why shouldn't she?

 

[Jennifer17]

We don't know anything about their relationship. My Father in law decided to go on a week's fishing trip in another country and just left, not telling my Mother in law. He sent a little note saying he'll be back in a week. She was angry at him, but she didn't call the police or anything. She just waited for his return. My family doesn't get worried when I am out of touch for weeks. We don't know how independent she is or how seriously she keeps her family and her fiance informed of her movements. Remember, nobody got worried for quite some time.

I have to presume that your FIL returned after that week, though. If he had not returned after ten days, would someone have worried? And were your FIL and MIL sharing parenting of an infant.