CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #11

[glamourkitty1922]

Thank you!

I don’t have the energy to respond to this. It is ridiculous, and based solely on hope, not in fact.

I feel like we have gone in circles on this issue, and despite the input from people like yourself (knowledgeable in this sort of thing), we’re not making any progress.

Kelsey is as likely to be in a mental hospital, as she is on some distant planet.

This does not happen.

Actually it happens quite often. But if you don't want to entertain it, that's your choice.

 

[Charlot123]

A question.

Let us assume someone traveled to ID with at least that phone.

If PF, or anyone else involved, has made that trip to Gooding area, he most certainly traveled along major highways, I-80 and I-84.

A person should have filled in his gas tank. Probably before the trip in Colorado, and then somewhere on the way.

Either the credit card should reflect the gas sales, or if a person paid cash, usually in not so densely populated states, the strangers are noticeable. The person should have either eaten somewhere, or bought something at 7-11 when filling in the tank. I doubt that someone brought the tanks with him. If he did, there should be some stain where the gas tanks were?

In short, is there a way to check cameras or even ask owners of gas stops? Logically, if I wanted to be unnoticed, I'd use major highways and pay cash, but even in these case, someone might remember CO plates. Flyers along the highways? Of course a person might have used a smaller gas station off the beaten path, but rural folks would be nosy.

Another way to get gas unnoticed would be Costco gas stations, this is a possibility, lots of people going through, and there is a place to eat there, but Costco has cameras. I wonder if Costcos along the way have been checked?

Another issue, 1600 miles means one needs to sleep. Either a motel but again, rural folks remember strangers, or drive at night, and sleep at daytime at truckers areas, in the car (forgot how they are called. Where truck drivers might have rest). Has anyone checked those locations? Some local truck drivers who would regularly travel along that route and might remember a guy dozing off in a car with CO plates?

 

[MassGuy]

Actually it happens quite often. But if you don't want to entertain it, that's your choice.

Please post a link to a case where the subject of a national missing person’s investigation, has been found in a mental hospital.

I would love to be proven wrong.

 

[alucardsdream]

She's a pilot, a mental illness can result in her losing her license or having to jump through FFA hoops. Why should she tell people? It may not be something she wants everyone to know. Most people have secrets. Why shouldn't she?

Her disappearance is being investigated by the FBI. There are no secrets now. MOO.

 

[Charlot123]

If he brought her to Gooding he was only 2 miles from my home on the interstate if he passed through Rupert/Burley area.

Did you see any flyers in local gas stations along the way?

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I have to presume that your FIL returned after that week, though. If he had not returned after ten days, would someone have worried? And were your FIL and MIL sharing parenting of an infant.

No, my son was a little older than Kelsy's daughter. He was 5 years old. My Mother in law was in a bind because she was a nurse and couldn't go to work that week. My FIL was a pharmacist. I don't know when she would have contacted the police. It's quite embarrassing to have your significant other walk out and not return.

 

[Charlot123]

We don't know anything about their relationship. My Father in law decided to go on a week's fishing trip in another country and just left, not telling my Mother in law. He sent a little note saying he'll be back in a week. She was angry at him, but she didn't call the police or anything. She just waited for his return. My family doesn't get worried when I am out of touch for weeks. We don't know how independent she is or how seriously she keeps her family and her fiance informed of her movements. Remember, nobody got worried for quite some time.

I have an feeling that it was a close family. My hunch is that mom got an explanation for absence of calls for a week that initially sounded plausible. Either from KB, who warned her that she would be off the radar, or from PF.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Please post a link to a case where the subject of a national missing person’s investigation, has been found in a mental hospital.

I would love to be proven wrong.

Well, here is what private investigators say
4 Steps to Track Down a Missing Person in Hospital

 

[Jennifer17]

A question.

Let us assume someone traveled to ID with at least that phone.

If PF, or anyone else involved, has made that trip to Gooding area, he most certainly traveled along major highways, I-80 and I-84.

A person should have filled in his gas tank. Probably before the trip in Colorado, and then somewhere on the way.

Either the credit card should reflect the gas sales, or if a person paid cash, usually in not so densely populated states, the strangers are noticeable. The person should have either eaten somewhere, or bought something at 7-11 when filling in the tank. I doubt that someone brought the tanks with him. If he did, there should be some stain where the gas tanks were?

In short, is there a way to check cameras or even ask owners of gas stops? Logically, if I wanted to be unnoticed, I'd use major highways and pay cash, but even in these case, someone might remember CO plates. Flyers along the highways? Of course a person might have used a smaller gas station off the beaten path, but rural folks would be nosy.

Another way to get gas unnoticed would be Costco gas stations, this is a possibility, lots of people going through, and there is a place to eat there, but Costco has cameras. I wonder if Costcos along the way have been checked?

Another issue, 1600 miles means one needs to sleep. Either a motel but again, rural folks remember strangers, or drive at night, and sleep at daytime at truckers areas, in the car (forgot how they are called. Where truck drivers might have rest). Has anyone checked those locations? Some local truck drivers who would regularly travel along that route and might remember a guy dozing off in a car with CO plates?

I don't get this 'rural people' stuff. How rural and unnoticeable can you be in a nation of 330 million people?

 

[jillianelaine]

CB said that her daughters plans to find a place to live with her boyfriend were thwarted by some economic challenges. What prevented them from living together in her home?

 

[MassGuy]

Well, here is what private investigators say
4 Steps to Track Down a Missing Person in Hospital

The question isn’t whether missing people turn up at hospitals (that’s the first place families check).

That happens all the time.

The question is whether the subject of a national missing person’s investigation, has ever turned up at a hospital.

 

[Jennifer17]

No, my son was a little older than Kelsy's daughter. He was 5 years old. My Mother in law was in a bind because she was a nurse and couldn't go to work that week. My FIL was a pharmacist. I don't know when she would have contacted the police. It's quite embarrassing to have your significant other walk out and not return.

You were talking about your father in law, not the father of your child.

 

[Jennifer17]

CB said that her daughters plans to find a place to live with her boyfriend were thwarted by some economic challenges. What prevented them from living together in her home?

Only he knows that.

 

[MassGuy]

CB said that her daughters plans to find a place to live with her boyfriend were thwarted by some economic challenges. What prevented them from living together in her home?

That’s one of a million questions we’d all like the answer to.

I’m sure the explanation given by PF’s family would be that he needed to tend to the ranch.

 

[Charlot123]

Thank you!

I don’t have the energy to respond to this. It is ridiculous, and based solely on hope, not in fact.

I feel like we have gone in circles on this issue, and despite the input from people like yourself (knowledgeable in this sort of thing), we’re not making any progress.

Kelsey is as likely to be in a mental hospital, as she is on some distant planet.

This does not happen.

Until she has been found, her relatives have hope. My feeling is, finding her in a mental hospital or even on the street might be much better than the alternative.

Also, her relatives might be reading this thread. I still would not be that categorical, for their sake.

 

[alucardsdream]

Well, here is what private investigators say
4 Steps to Track Down a Missing Person in Hospital

This shows how easy it is to find out a person is in the hospital. If KB was in a hospital for any reason, her family would have already found her and wouldn't have need LE to launch a national investigation to find her.

 

[Jennifer17]

That’s one of a million questions we’d all like the answer to.

I’m sure the explanation given by PF’s family would be that he needed to tend to the ranch.

Can't let that go. His hobby farm, where he can strut around with his cowboy hat and belt buckle and tend his his three head of cattle and two horses.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

The question isn’t whether missing people turn up at hospitals (that’s the first place families check).

That happens all the time.

The question is whether the subject of a national missing person’s investigation, has ever turned up at a hospital.

Yes Joshua Thiede, Bo Jones, Yolanda Webster. It took 3 weeks to find Joram Heilbronner who went missing in Germany and finally located in a hospital.

 

[MassGuy]

Until she has been found, her relatives have hope. My feeling is, finding her in a mental hospital or even on the street might be much better than the alternative.

Also, her relatives might be reading this thread. I still would not be that categorical, for their sake.

It’s important to be realistic, and not use hope to color our thought process.

We all hope that she is alive, and her being hospitalized would certainly be better than the alternative.

I don’t conflate what I want to happen, with what I think will happen though.

Reality always wins out.

This will not end well, no matter what you, I, or anyone else hopes.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

This shows how easy it is to find out a person is in the hospital. If KB was in a hospital for any reason, her family would have already found her and wouldn't have need LE to launch a national investigation to find her.

If she used her real name and if she allows it. Sometimes they won't share that information with anyone even the police. Just because some will share that information, some will not. That's been my experience with my family members. Especially when it comes to substance abuse.