CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #11

[Gunslinging Granny]

How do you know there haven't been any sightings? Did LE say that?
MOO

No.
On other highly-publicized cases, the media announced there were sightings.

 

[PommyMommy]

Colorado Cops Conduct Search After Missing Mom's Fiancé Spotted At Dump | HuffPost
A judge sealed search warrants issued in connection with the case. De Young has said only that they were obtained “based on information developed.”

“Kelsey has not been located and there have been no arrests to date,” Woodland Park police said in a Wednesday press release. “Investigators continue to make steady progress with multiple investigative leads in this case.”

Woodland Park Police Chief Miles De Young has called Berreth’s disappearance “suspicious,” and at a press conference last week pleaded with Frazee to “sit down with investigators.”

Frazee’s attorney, Jeremy Loew, said his client is cooperating.

 

[Inthedetails]

JMO
I totally agree and here is why.

Her cars were in her parking lot.
Her purse was missing.

Those two things dont jive to me for someone that was intent on leaving the earth at their own hands. The only pssibility for me with those two facts would be if she was found very close behind the place where she lived. Like taking a solemn walk and did not go far behind her place.

I think she would have been found very close to her place if that was the case. Since she has not been found and with those two facts standing about her vehicles and purse missing I have to elminate the possiblity of self harm for now.

Whenever I consider self-harm as a possibility, I wonder how her phone pinged in Idaho three days later with her car still being at home.

The car + phone make me think self-harm is not likely in this case.

jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

No.
On other highly-publicized cases, the media announced there were sightings.

And the WPPD has been quite tight-lipped about evidence. I wouldn't necessarily expect them to reveal the content of tips they've received.
MOO

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

And the WPPD has been quite tight-lipped about evidence. I wouldn't necessarily expect them to reveal the content of tips they've received.
MOO

On other highly-publicized missing person cases, the media learned of possibly sightings through social media posts and twitter.

 

[gitana1]

I bet she is in Idaho with someone she started a new relationship with. Perhaps something went wrong with that relationship. Have the police said anything about her mental state? Another poster mentioned that she may have sought mental health care in Idaho. It would make sense that she would hide it and go to another state. She was a pilot and she would lose her license if she is found to suffer from some disorders. The police would not know because HIPPA and privacy laws would require the medical facility to deny any knowledge of her. She, and her phone, may be together seeking help. Everything is a theory right now. There is just no evidence available.

No.

1. There is ZERO evidence of mental health issues. No mention by LE. The FBI and CBI don't tend to focus heavily in one area and on one person when there is credible evidence that a missing person might be unstable and have simply abandoned their infant to run off to have a new relationship or go into a mental institution.

2. HIPAA absolutely allows a rehab or hospital to notify LE that the subject of a multi-state missing person's investigation is in their center. 505-When does the Privacy Rule allow covered entities to disclose information to law enforcement

3. KB was a responsible professional pilot working for an agency that is careful with their hires. Extensive background checks. There is nothing to indicate she would suddenly abandon her job without warning and via text. Respectfully, that's nonsensical.

4. KB was known to be a devoted and loving mother to her baby. Yet she suddenly and inexplicably abandoned her with no warning and zero contact? For some new dude?

5. None of the scenarios you've proposed explains why there has been zero electronic info that we know of from 11-22-18 after Safeway, through to 11-25-18 when those inexplicable texts were sent. No credit or debit card activity, GPS info on her phone, Uber account activity, internet or email account activity. Nothing we know of after the time se was last seen at the store, and PF's truck was seen parked in her driveway.

6. There would be evidence of some new dude like phone calls, texts, social media contact, dating apps. LE hasn't indicated any such evidence and their behavior doesn't indicate such exists.

7. WE don't have much evidence. True. LE does, however. And in less than two weeks of investigating it rapidly led to one direction and one person and to probable cause for a search warrant of that person's property and vehicles.

 

[Hatfield]

Whenever I consider self-harm as a possibility, I wonder how her phone pinged in Idaho three days later with her car still being at home.

The car + phone make me think self-harm is not likely in this case.

jmo

Agree. I had forgotten about that already.

IMO that ping in Idaho makes it 99.99% not an option of self harm to me then when combined with the cars being home and purse missing.

 

[Bill Carson]

The texts are a separate issue. My understanding is the communication that she went to visit her grandma was a separate earlier communication from PF , which was a big mistake because it makes it easy to focus on the one person where the lie is coming from.

(Oops, I guess I'm three hours behind.)

Yeah, I don't believe them when they say they haven't spoken to him. They clearly spoke to him early on and he reported he last saw her on 11/22. And the police said he was cooperating, and had turned over his phone, given a dna sample, and allowed them to take picture, and they said they were communicating through his lawyer---so he did speak to them. At some point he decided he didn't like their attitude or something and he obtained legal advice. We haven't been told when that was.

But in the press conference last Friday where they invited him to come in and sit down with their investigator, I think there was a short follow-up question, a reporter asked if they hadn't spoken to him at all yet or something to that effect, and they said that he hadn't sat down with their investigator. They want another bite at the apple, just like they did with the follow up search warrants.

What they want to do is put him in a room with that lady who interrogated Chris Watts and let her work him over. She's probably got a law degree or a psychology degree or both and has years of experience and he's a lowly farrier and dog breeder--they're not remotely on the same level. It's like saying, "we're inviting you to play a game of chess, and if you win you get to go free, and oh by the way, our designated chess player is Garry Kasparov."

 

[Jethro4WS]

How would the media know how many toothbrushes were in her home?

True, they don't say how many toothbrushes were in her home but they do specifically mention Kelsey's toothbrush in articles.

Here are just two examples.
Texts sent from Colorado mom's cellphone 3 days after she went missing

When investigators searched her home they found her cars, her clothes, her toothbrush, even cinnamon rolls apparently untouched since Thanksgiving.

And this one from early in the case (Dec 7th) - this might be the first mention and is from a news outlet where much of Kelsey's family lives.
Pasco relatives pray for miracle as search continues for missing Colorado mother

Just like her clothes, makeup and toothbrush, untouched since Thanksgiving.

So, either her brother or her mother was able to identify Kelsey's toothbrush if there was more than one toothbrush in the house or law enforcement only came across one toothbrush when they did their check and their presumption is that it belonged to Kelsey.

The articles only use the singular and not plural so if there were more than one toothbrush no one is saying.

 

[whoizzit]

Yup. If she left on the 22nd in some unknown vehicle or on foot (and not one person or nosy neighbor saw her or recalled picking her up in an Uber or whatever), where was she from then until her texts? Camping in a tent eating food left out for feral cats? I mean not one sighting of her or memory of her at a gas station, hotel or motel, restaurant or convenience store? Not one ping from her phone, no internet activity, bank activity, communication with anyone of any kind, for over two days, and then she quickly powers up her phone to send a couple messages?

Where was she? My bet? Not traveling to Idaho.

Precisely!!!

And puhahaha at cat food for survivalists! A Red Riding Hood trail of cans from WI to ID/CO, evidently. @MassGuy

 

[jillianelaine]

Agree. I had forgotten about that already.

IMO that ping in Idaho makes it 99.99% not an option of self harm to me then when combined with the cars being home and purse missing.

I don't think anyone intending on doing self harm contacts their employer about needing a week off.

 

[Mauig’ma]

.....or take the cadaver dogs to Kelsey's duplex. No reports have stated cadaver dogs have been in her duplex.

Wouldn’t that be one of the first things they would do? What would it hurt?

 

[susiQ]

Absolutely. Said and done by the 23rd and all wrapped up not very far from home. IMO, he was scared to death of getting caught which prompted the 24 hour drive, and was probably also terrified to go very far with evidence in the car. He didn't have to text the employer asking for a week off. Actually, it may have been easier to tell the boss she'd just needed two days off--but he was terrified of also having the police involved so he dragged it out a little longer. IMO

The question still remains though. Did he place those texts or someone else. He can't be in two places at once, sending the text and then reading it within a couple of hours. If he didn't return a text that speaks volumes in and of itself. If he didn't read it until many hours later, that tells us something too. If he sent the text and responded in a timely fashion, we know he had help to cover his tracks. I hope I didn't confuse anyone

 

[nwmouse]

It is interesting that the phone pinged in Gooding, ID which has multiple mental health facilities. I think the seeking help theory is as valid as any other theory. She could have been suffering from post partum depression. While ppd doesn't automatically mean a pilot loses her license, she still wouldn't want to deal with FFA doctors and have it on her record.

LE are pretty thorough and I'm sure they've looked into all hospitals and mental healthcare facilities in Idaho and Colorado by now.

Since this case has made headlines, surely the doctors or nurses in those healthcare facilities would have notified LE that she was a) still there or b) had sought help and left the facility?

MOO.

 

[alucardsdream]

Wouldn’t that be one of the first things they would do? What would it hurt?

Unless they have some kind of evidence that proves she left her home alive and never made it back. Maybe a neighbor has a surveillance camera or something? I don't know why they would keep that from the public, though, but I'm not sure why they wouldn't have brought dogs to search her home.

 

[SharonNeedles]

The question still remains though. Did he place those texts or someone else. He can't be in two places at once, sending the text and then reading it within a couple of hours. If he didn't return a text that speaks volumes in and of itself. If he didn't read it many hours later, that tells us something too. If he sent the text and responded in a timely fashion, we know he had help to cover his tracks. I hope I didn't confuse anyone

I’m speculating that something about those texts was used as “probable cause” in the sealed search warrant. Maybe not, but I can’t think of much else solid enough to convince a judge to sign off on it.

 

[jillianelaine]

I’m speculating that something about those texts was used as “probable cause” in the sealed search warrant. Maybe not, but I can’t think of much else solid enough to convince a judge to sign off on it.[/QUOTE
What about video? It might be a combination of things. We don't know whether he provided LE with an alibi for some of those days that proved false.

 

[Mimi in London]

On the subject of the text to the employer, I’m not convinced it’s an unlikely thing for someone to do (whether the actual employee or an imposter with a feasible plan). If a reliable employee with a good reputation texted their boss on a Sunday to say they were having some personal difficulties/health issues, really sorry, and would it be ok if they took a week off, that’s surely different from someone simply announcing they won’t be there for a week. LE would have paraphrased what was said. JMO.

 

[therion20]

Have you guys seen this ? Not sure how much is accurate. But it lists Patrick as an Investment Banker... What???
Patrick Frazee Wiki (Kelsey Berreth), Age, Family, Net Worth, Biography

That page is full of misinformation, we don't know where they got their info from.

 

[Bill Carson]

By the way, if they actually HAD broken up, and I was PF’s attorney, I would be getting out in front of the hoopla over his lack of involvement and saying, “My client and KB actually were no longer together romantically, and that is why he didn’t feel that checking up on her after the 25th was appropriate.” But the lawyer has not said that. Maybe he’s not a good lawyer. You don’t necessarily get a lot of good attorney options in a small town. I’ve lived it.

SBM

But if they had broken up, then there would be speculation about who broke up with whom, and some people could deem that to be a motive for him. KWIM? MOO