CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #12 *ARREST*

[Jessthinkin]

For some reason, I never thought that her house was a crime scene, as I assumed she left there willingly.

I now think it’s quite likely that something violent occurred there.

I actually have been thinking that something happened there, at her place -- only because I felt like what happened to her was done by someone she knew well, not by some "date", or going "off" somewhere and meeting foul play by at the hands of a stranger... Someone who is acting very sinister (IMO) was there at her place the last time she was seen, so I've been picturing that as ground zero... :/

 

[Ccging]

His attorney also does domestic law, so I would bet that those papers are drafted and signed.

Would that not be some sort of admission of guilt somehow? Planning that would happen?

 

[PrairieWind]

I think he should get advice from Mary Winkler's attorneys.

No kidding! That still makes me furious!

 

[Bill Carson]

I lean toward the theory that they have ruled him out and are trying to determine the identity of the person she actually left with. She might be alive still.

 

[Jessthinkin]

I just find it unlikely that he did something in her house and then had to move the body. I still lean towards her leaving with him willingly to go somewhere under false pretence and somehow ending up at his property where the crime may have taken place. Quiet and secluded property, away from any watchful eyes while you're loading it into a truck or trailer. I think she left there fully intending to return. JMO

Easy to move her out under cover of dark, when everyone's in a turkey/tryptophan food hangover...

 

[bestill]

He may have had to return to her house to clean himself up before going home, the event may have not happened there but it may have been the only place he felt safe to return to. JMO

 

[Steelslady]

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Again, as in they returned? Sam posted that they left on his Twitter account- that's why I am asking.

 

[BRRI]

Would that not be some sort of admission of guilt somehow? Planning that would happen?

his lawyer probably knows if he is guilty or innocent, so he'd draft the papers and have them ready to go if something happens, but keep them quiet for now

 

[MassGuy]

Yep yep. Me too me too. The incident occurred during the day at her house. He went back and got her (and her phone and purse) after dark then placed her somewhere close-ish, then drove her phone and purse to ID. IMO MOO

Yup. And if there is evidence of violence there, an effort was apparently made to clean it up.

Only one type of person does that.

Somebody close to the victim.

His days as a free man may be numbered.

 

[EmilyVan]

She could have some area rugs on her wood flooring. Or have carpeted one room for the baby as she learns to walk.

100% I have hard floors and have rugs EVERYWHERE. even to the point where my kitchen is practically wall-to-wall rugs because the floor gets SO cold.

 

[BRRI]

I just find it unlikely that he did something in her house and then had to move the body. I still lean towards her leaving with him willingly to go somewhere under false pretence and somehow ending up at his property where the crime may have taken place. Quiet and secluded property, away from any watchful eyes while you're loading it into a truck or trailer. I think she left there fully intending to return. JMO

Me too. The dogs would have alerted to that on day 1 of the investigation. Maybe they did, but I'm not sure why it wouldn't be announced as a homicide investigation at that point

 

[gitana1]

Just a thought on the apparent urgency of this evenings activities. By late afternoon today it became apparent a government shutdown is likely. Some resources may be pared back. Also, some personnel may be lost next week due to Christmas. They may just be trying to get as much done as they can now.

Oh! In CO or federally?

 

[Steelslady]

For some reason, I never thought that her house was a crime scene, as I assumed she left there willingly.

I now think it’s quite likely that something violent occurred there.

My, what a small Christmas tree he's carrying out of the house........ugh, that's not humor, either. I am still hung up on the mother saying Kelsey was excited to decorate for Christmas.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Initially, I think many of us leaned toward her voluntarily getting into a known person’s vehicle bc it seemed KB’s house seemed to have already passed inspection.

If the house is the crime scene, does it change your theories at all?

To me, it seems more likely to be impulsive than pre-meditated if he did it there, for example. But I was already leaning that way. But one change: it makes it seem more like he drove the car to ID and texted, not her. Before I thought the simplest explanation was she was alive at least til ID.

Let’s not get carried away though. While it seems likely it’s some sort of evidence of a crime that has demanded so much of LE’s time, it’s possible they discovered something else altogether and it will point yet another new direction.

 

[mzmarple]

Again, as in they returned? Sam posted that they left on his Twitter account- that's why I am asking.

Sam is at the police station, and the photographer is at KB’s house...Sam reported the van left the police station, then photographer reported it showed up at KB’s house...

 

[allboys]

James Dougherty on Twitter
.@CBI_Colorado and Woodland Park Police have been going in and out of the home of Kelsey Berreth in Woodland Park, CO. I heard some banging coming from inside which sounded like someone hammering on the walls. #Denver7

9:43 PM - 20 Dec 2018

Speaking of walls...for those of you who looked at the Zillow photos of the home. I noticed the loft. Seems like it would be pretty easy to push someone over the loft opening in a struggle. But then I sort of dismissed that possibility because I was thinking the blood splatter/cleanup would be obvious from that. And pretty unlikely KB and PF would have been up in the loft. But who knows.

Ugh. I hate to be even pondering these type of scenarios. I want this case solved, and justice to be served.

 

[BRRI]

Oh! In CO or federally?

Federally, but I don't think it affects the FBI. I know DoD is funded, so I would think FBI definitely is as well.

ETA I lied. FBI is NOT funded yet, but I believe they are considered mission critical, so they will work unpaid, and have retroactive pay once the budget is passed

 

[cluciano63]

For some reason, I never thought that her house was a crime scene, as I assumed she left there willingly.

I now think it’s quite likely that something violent occurred there.

For some reason, I never thought that her house was a crime scene, as I assumed she left there willingly.

I now think it’s quite likely that something violent occurred there.

I have thought all along it was at her home that something happened, an argument turned violent. But hesitated as I struggle to see how one would (dare) remove a body from that little house, unseen.

 

[BRRI]

Speaking of walls...for those of you who looked at the Zillow photos of the home. I noticed the loft. Seems like it would be pretty easy to push someone over the loft opening in a struggle. But then I sort of dismissed that possibility because I was thinking the blood splatter/cleanup would be obvious from that. And pretty unlikely KB and PF would have been up in the loft. But ‍.

Ugh. I hate to be even pondering these type of scenarios. I want this case solved, and justice to be served.

might not be much blood actually. It's not a huge drop, so she could have hit her head without blood

 

[katydid23]

I think that was one of the first things he talked to his attorney about. He has probably already made arrangements for his family to keep her.

But I don't think he will get to make the final decision, IF he is charged and convicted of her murder. The courts do not usually want a young child to be raised in the family home of the parent who murdered the other parent. That is too 'crazy making' for the child to deal with as they grow up.

Usually we see the child being permanently placed with the family of the victim. JMO