CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #13 *ARREST*

[PommyMommy]

15-minute FB Live with Sam Kraemer - Q and A about Kelsey's case:

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[scdiv]

Thank you and everyone else who responded to my question. So glad to hear it.

I wonder how it came about. I guess CPS decided they would get the baby. I wonder why? Why not his mother? Or other relatives in CO? I mean don't get me wrong, I'm grateful as can be.

It makes me wonder about possible involvement of others in his family, or they're deemed not capable of caring for her, or he was not on the birth certificate so if KB is determined to be dead her child would go to her next of kin, not the family of her fiancée.

Not sure how that came about. The police chief offered up the statement on baby K on his own, not prompted by a question. Just that she was in protective custody and would be reunited with Kelsey's family. I'm assuming that means they will get to take her and not just get to visit with her.

It must have been so, so traumatic for Kelsey's family to suspect/believe PF harmed Kelsey and then still had custody of this little child who they were not allowed to see. They must have been worried sick and scared and upset beyond belief. The man charged with murdering their daughter withholding your grandchild from you and you can't trust that she is safe or will be kept safe because you know what he is capable of doing. I don't know how they have kept it together as well as they have.

 

[oviedo]

Thank you and everyone else who responded to my question. So glad to hear it.

I wonder how it came about. I guess CPS decided they would get the baby. I wonder why? Why not his mother? Or other relatives in CO? I mean don't get me wrong, I'm grateful as can be.

It makes me wonder about possible involvement of others in his family, or they're deemed not capable of caring for her, or he was not on the birth certificate so if KB is determined to be dead her child would go to her next of kin, not the family of her fiancée.

I watched the video and cannot tell if the baby is in the car or not. If not, she had to be with someone they both know - where? - JMO PF's home (well, his mothers). They said in the press conference they took the baby into protective custody so I believe it happened concurrent with the arrest IMO.

 

[InvSmith]

So senseless. IMO it was about control of the child. And look now no control of the child. Just couldn't compromise, negotiate and share. SMDH. Again jmo

I thought about this late last night. I think the child was a way to control KB and not necessarily love of his daugther. It was another form of abuse of KB. It is just control of her. No one can have KB abd she cannot have her

These threads are so incredibly long, can anyone fill me in? I saw the PC this morning which told us almost nothing. Have you all wonderful people uncovered anything additional? Will we know anything more anytime soon? Have you seen these charges before and what do they usually mean in terms of the crime? Last question, how can they be sure she’s dead with no body? Thanks guys and gals!

This was based on the findings 1) in her home and 2) length of time of no confirmation of locating her. Apparently, there was enough evidence to indicate she was injured in her home and the weight of those findings were clear on the faces of law enforcement. It was not an outcome they wanted to verbalize.

 

[Seattle1]

KOAA 5

Live Q&A with Sam Kraemer of KOAA at link above



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LIVE: Search of Kelsey Berreth's home continues
LIVE: News 5's Sam Kraemer has followed the investigation into Kelsey Berreth's disappearance for weeks. He's live in Woodland Park to answer your questions about Patrick Frazee's arrest and other developments in the case. Full coverage:https://bit.ly/2GyEmRX

 

[KSinMT]

Who thinks he's going to continue to exercise his 5th amendment right until the bitter end? I definitely don't see this guy giving a confession but I could be wrong.

 

[skyedaze]

I'm just gonna say....for the most part I just don't believe in "snapped moments." Not saying they can't ever happen, but seems like most of the time there is a real motive and a perp has already thought about doing whateveritis a few times before and then finally figures out a way they think they can get away with doing whateveritis. And the action plan is usually flawed because they have flawed line of reasoning to begin with.

That's just MHO. No disrespect to anyone, and not saying it can't happen ever, but for the most part when I hear that I think it's a cr@p excuse/rational for a bad person carrying out their bad behavior.

 

[scdiv]

Let's hope it's a speedy trial like CW. I wonder why they did not find the physical evidence needed the first time they went to KB's house. Maybe they didn't know exactly what they were looking for? Whatever they found it must be enough to charge without a body. I hope they put the death penalty on the table to get him to confess to where she is.

CW took a plea to life in prison without the death penalty, so there was never a trial. That also meant the discovery documents were released and many of our questions were answered very quickly.

 

[alucardsdream]

Who thinks he's going to continue to exercise his 5th amendment right until the bitter end? I definitely don't see this guy giving a confession but I could be wrong.

It's amazing how quick defendants will change their mind about talking once they realize the death penalty could be involved.

 

[GoJacks]

Who thinks he's going to continue to exercise his 5th amendment right until the bitter end? I definitely don't see this guy giving a confession but I could be wrong.

Where's Tammy Lee??

 

[PommyMommy]

Did I see correctly that LE was doing another search of her residence yesterday evening? We are thinking that was for a luminal test? Right after that, the arrest warrant was sought, correct? Thanks

CBI, other agencies search Kelsey Berreth’s home a 2nd time

 

[skyedaze]

Who thinks he's going to continue to exercise his 5th amendment right until the bitter end? I definitely don't see this guy giving a confession but I could be wrong.

Ha ah well maybe I was wrong earlier about him not paying attention to Chris Watts....maybe he DID and he's not gonna say one darn thing.

 

[zecats]

Who thinks he's going to continue to exercise his 5th amendment right until the bitter end? I definitely don't see this guy giving a confession but I could be wrong.

I don't know. Maybe if the evidence is strong, irrefutable, then he will negotiate for a deal and deliver the location of her body...hope so.

 

[gitana1]

I thought there may not even have been an argument but more like a snapped moment. She was talking wedding, and he just snapped and strangled her. The Oh Sh** moment, followed by, as you say, the coverup began. I am genuinely shocked by the solicitation charge.

Me too. We see that usually when there's money involved. Like a person doesn't want to lose half their assets. Or in the middle of nasty custody battles. But it seems they were hanging with one another and spending time together.

It will be interesting to find out more info.

I wonder now if we can figure out more from listening to Kelsey's mom's careful statements in the past, knowing what we know now.

 

[Mercedes]

When I heard there is a Solicitation charge, the immediate thought that entered my mind was that murder for hire often ends up being about $$$$. I've always believed and continue to believe that money is a primary motive. I wonder if KB took out a life insurance policy when she became a mother. Regardless, as closest next of kin, her child would be her beneficiary. Money and custody....IMO, they are inextricably linked in this case. JMO.

IMO, she could have named PF as the beneficiary thinking that if she passed, he could use the money to take care of K.

 

[SharonNeedles]

I really think that PF assumed he was smarter than LE and they weren't going to find out what happened to KB. He was too arrogant to stand in front of cameras and plead for information about his missing fiancee because it would mean he had to act like KB left him, not he got tired of KB. MOO.

Or was he possibly the exact opposite of arrogant? If he’s not confident in his ability to get up there and lie without condradicting himself he’s not going to do it.

 

[gitana1]

Who thinks he's going to continue to exercise his 5th amendment right until the bitter end? I definitely don't see this guy giving a confession but I could be wrong.

Me. But I have been wrong too many times on this stuff before. With CW first I predicted he'd confness quickly. After his nasty half confession I thought he'd never plea.

Maybe this guy will plea.

 

[MsBetsy]

For some people, gaining custody is more about control than love. He probably sees Kaylee as his "property" IMO.

This may very well be the case. If he is controlling, he may not have been able to stand the idea of "letting" Kelsey be the parent who has the control and makes the major decisions.
Kelsey seems the more intelligent, successful and independent one in this relationship. I can imagine this being a threat to him. He may have viewed her as an obstacle that he wanted gone. With her out of the way, he would be able to raise (or train) his daughter the way he wanted. Imo

 

[gitana1]

Or was he possibly the exact opposite of arrogant? If he’s not confident in his ability to get up there and lie without condradicting himself he’s not going to do it.

I wonder if you've seen the same person I have, mad dogging the media. I mean I agree he was protecting himself from self incrimination but he exudes arrogance, IMO.

 

[GoJacks]

It's amazing how quick defendants will change their mind about talking once they realize the death penalty could be involved.

Death penalty is almost NEVER used here(like 51+ years). it's almost non existent....and being a life long Coloradan he probably knows this as well.