CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #14 *ARREST*

[Love Never Fails]

I do feel bad for her family but I also feel bad for his family if they weren't involved.It's possible to have compassion for both.

Of course for the ones who are innocent of all this. But who are they?
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[skyedaze]

We don't know if he decided to kill her because she broke up with him or even if she actually did break up with him. However, the verified family member has said she did break it off, but we are not sure how she got that information.
We don't know if he solicited someone or not, to my knowledge that has not yet been verified. LE has stated more arrests are possible. Not sure of motive, either. So far it is speculation based on the information we have so far.

Earlier someone posted a screenshot that showed charges of 1st degree murder and also solicitation for murder. It was on the previous thread earlier today.

 

[scdiv]

@gitana1 mentioned Mark Hacking's family earlier. His brothers persuaded him to confess and tell the truth. He did a despicable thing, but his family expressed remorse and sorrow to Lori's family and said there was never any doubt that Mark would plead guilty. It was the best possible way for a family to handle a terrible crime. It's mind-boggling to me, in any case, when family members go on a social media crusade, defending a loved one by victim bashing. No filter, no sense of what's appropriate, no impulse control. I would be absolutely mortified.

Maybe I am just completely out of touch. I have a facebook and scroll but don't post. My significant other calls it "Trackbook" and refuses to have an account. About once a year I'm allowed to report to him any facebook gossip. My brother is LE and doesn't have an account. My father still answers landlines and hears a beep for call waiting and each and every time says, "What do I hit, flash??" He has zero social media presence and never will. And my mother only posts on crockpot and air fryer recipe groups. I just can't even imagine any of them engaging or being aggressive with strangers or infiltrating group pages in an underhanded way.

I do feel for his family if they had nothing to with this, but if it were my child who was murdered, I wouldn't want any of his family near my granddaughter, innocent or not. That might not be fair, but that would likely be my personal feeling. imo.

 

[katie565]

Our state government established a pre-need guardian now so a parent can designate who they want in the event something happens - we also use it for adult potential incapacity to hopefully limit family fighting - and we have done them for mother’s who want to confirm who will raise their child when they are not married to the father

How does that work? Interesting. So one parent can limit access to another parent after incapacitation or death? Hmmm

 

[MsBetsy]

I think the break up story was all a lie PF made up. MOO.

I thought it was Kelseys Aunt that said she had broken up with him on Thanksgiving day. Unless she heard that from Kelseys mom who heard it from PF.

 

[Crooked Chicken]

Not sure if this has been posted -- if so I missed it:
Fiancé of missing mom arrested for murder, solicitation to commit murder

Berreth and Frazee's baby is in protective custody and will be reunited with Berreth's family, the chief said.

 

[Gardener1850]

I thought it was Kelseys Aunt that said she had broken up with him on Thanksgiving day. Unless she heard that from Kelseys mom who heard it from PF.

Yes, I'm assuming PF was the original source of that story and that is why her mom asked her aunt to remove that post. JMO. We should find out eventually though.

ETA: I'm thinking of the "she broke up with me and said she was going to Soap Lake, WA" story as PF's version of "an emotional conversation" -- i.e. it didn't happen. MOO.

 

[jaspermac]

I can honestly say that if my son's girlfriend/fiance/mother of his child disappeared I would be out in front of the cameras begging for help and if I had their child in my house the maternal grandmother would be seeing and holding that child. Nothing like that happened with his family so pardon us if we aren't looking at them so lovingly.

Don't forget the mom did not have control over who did or did not see the baby. That was PF's decision. She could have been pleading with him to let the grandma see the baby. Or not we don't know. re the not being out in front of the camera. I don't fully understand that but again for all we know PF"s lawyer told the entire family to stand down and stay away from media. If there was a smear campaign from someone in the family- that is not acceptable on any level. Trust me my compassion is always with the victim's family, but I also feel compassion for the perps family, because so often they are blindsided and in pain and while the rest of us see the truth, it is very hard for them to believe it. But everyone has different feelings and thats okay

 

[Trudie]

I’m sure she received advice and I’m very happy it worked out this way. Things could change at the hearing and if PF’s mom wants to challenge this, she has a good argument if she’s been a daily caregiver.

I’m not an expert and it’s all my opinion. I just find it very interesting and not normal that KB’s out of state family has been given custody vs all of the local family members

Really, I wonder if PF’s mom is emotionally stable enough to care for the child. Her head must be spinning after P’s arrest. I think she’ll be very busy with his case for the next few months, having no time or energy for a small child.

Becky ( iirc) mentioned a few posts back something about whether K’s mom has had legal advice in preparation for today’s event. I would think so. Had he not been arrested, I doubt K’s mom was going to accept no visitation.

 

[oviedo]

Lets hope that both families can work together so that no matter who gets custody, the child has access to everyone. Lots of ground rules have to be established but if everyone holds the best interest of the child as the most important thing then it can be done. His family, i feel for them too. I am sure it is beyond their comprehension that he could have done this. I am sure they are struggling with what to believe, also given the fact they aren't being given any evidence to help them process all of this. These cases can damage everyone and create discord in families.

I can’t “feel” for his family yet - I want to know who helped plan and cover up for him but I respect this option for those that do JMO

 

[tmar]

It'd be interesting to know where they all were headed.

Could they have begun to disappear?
Leave the 'ranch' and go elsewhere.
Perhaps LE were watching, and therefore PF and Mum were taken into custody immediately.
MOO.

 

[Jessthinkin]

I’m sure she received advice and I’m very happy it worked out this way. Things could change at the hearing and if PF’s mom wants to challenge this, she has a good argument if she’s been a daily caregiver.

I’m not an expert and it’s all my opinion. I just find it very interesting and not normal that KB’s out of state family has been given custody vs all of the local family members

I bet it’ll all come out in the documents... there’ll be more to this story, and what happened today with the custody piece, IMO....

 

[Jessthinkin]

Could they have begun to disappear?
Leave the 'ranch' and go elsewhere.
Perhaps LE were watching, and therefore PF and Mum were taken into custody immediately.
MOO.

I read someone’s earlier post that LE likes to do early Friday morning arrests... something about keeping them over the weekend, and in the news over the weekend, IIRC...

 

[Love Never Fails]

PommyMommy,
Been busy last two days but trying to catch up on last thread and this one tonight. I just want to thank you for all the timelines and information you have posted. It’s so easy to catch up with the real facts when you are doing all the hard work. You are much appreciated!

 

[Irmese]

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[katie565]

If you say so.

Have you seen that happen? I know you’re a lawyer in CO so I believe you. I just can’t imagine. Any examples?

 

[Kapua]

I think the break up story was all a lie PF made up. MOO.

I totally agree. MOO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

@gitana1 mentioned Mark Hacking's family earlier. His brothers persuaded him to confess and tell the truth. He did a despicable thing, but his family expressed remorse and sorrow to Lori's family and said there was never any doubt that Mark would plead guilty. It was the best possible way for a family to handle a terrible crime. It's mind-boggling to me, in any case, when family members go on a social media crusade, defending a loved one by victim bashing. No filter, no sense of what's appropriate, no impulse control. I would be absolutely mortified.

Maybe I am just completely out of touch. I have a facebook and scroll but don't post. My significant other calls it "Trackbook" and refuses to have an account. About once a year I'm allowed to report to him any facebook gossip. My brother is LE and doesn't have an account. My father still answers landlines and hears a beep for call waiting and each and every time says, "What do I hit, flash??" He has zero social media presence and never will. And my mother only posts on crockpot and air fryer recipe groups. I just can't even imagine any of them engaging or being aggressive with strangers or infiltrating group pages in an underhanded way.

I do feel for his family if they had nothing to with this, but if it were my child who was murdered, I wouldn't want any of his family near my granddaughter, innocent or not. That might not be fair, but that would likely be my personal feeling. imo.

LOL...your family sounds just like mine. This is the only site where I have ever posted.

 

[Gardener1850]

I wonder if he thought he wiped off any evidence of him trying to solicit others to help murder Kelsey? Police might have been able to retrieve that information during their search on his phone?

I also think they might have put him in solitary confinement, hoping he might lose it and confess.

BBM. Oh, that reminds me of a question I wanted to ask. Does anyone know if CO has rules about how family members of LE are treated in jail? For example, I know in some states if you are closely related to LE they will not put you in general population as a courtesy and for your safety as well. PF's brother is Colorado Springs LEO. If they put PF in with the rest of the regular lock-ups there could be someone his brother has arrested in the past who wants to attack PF just because of his name. Will PF stay in the infirmery or solitary due to his brother?

 

[esayer]

Someone asked why is a possible pregnancy being discussed.
Because the #1 cause of death in pregnant women is HOMICIDE!!
She was engaged, but no dress had been bought, no date selected... and they had just broken up. (Allgedly)
Being pregnant & leaving him with their 15 month old, put her in one of the most if not THE MOST DANGEROUS positions that a woman of child bearing age could be in.

***There has been nothing said about her being pregnant again. A few people were wondering.***
Death By Pregnancy: Why Are So Many Moms-To-Be Dying? | Women's Health

She had K in Oct, 2017. She hasn't been on good terms with PF probably since she got pregnant. I'd be really surprised if she's pregnant again.

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