CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #14 *ARREST*

[Hopefullyhelpful]

OOOOPPPPPPS, messed up big time. Was just "thinking" and agreeing.

BBM

I changed from relative to otherwise because of the clause about who is allowed to visit.

I've also been trying to decide how and where to hide something -- say on a ranch so you feel it is least likely to be discovered.

If you dig, ground will be disturbed. Dogs, coyotes, vultures, etc. likely to alert to something just dumped. So where do you hide something?

How about in a barn? maybe under floorboards, if there are floorboards. But I think definitely under hay. Those big rectangular bales would have been the perfect hiding place. Do any ranches still use those?

Unstack the bales, then in the center, hide whatever needs to be stashed -- paint cans, drop cloths, etc. and restack -- or is that such a common location no one would ever consider it?

Didn’t we see somewhere in the MSM reports that PF’s mom, in addition to owning the “ranch also owned two other pieces of property? Am I the only one wondering about those locations and whether or not they’ve been thoroughly searched?

 

[Gardener1850]

Kelsey Berreth and Patrick Frazee were supposed to be in court for a custody hearing

Guys!!!!! That custody hearing WAS scheduled before she went missing! I thought so with the the different case numbers. The plot thickens. Sorry if repeated info, just saw the news here in Colo

That video says the court records don't show who filed for the hearing or when it was filed. So the news is just as clueless as everyone else. JMO.

 

[PommyMommy]

Didn’t we see somewhere in the MSM reports that PF’s mom, in addition to owning the “ranch also owned two other pieces of property? Am I the only one wondering about those locations and whether or not they’ve been thoroughly searched?

Yes, it was reported in this Daily Mail article however, we are not allowed to sleuth family.

Fiance of missing Colorado woman Kelsey Berreth appears in court | Daily Mail Online
Sheila Frazee, the mother of the suspect, has also been detained by authorities but not placed under arrest.

The divorced mother of four, who is a registered nurse, lives with her youngest son at the ranch, which she outright owns according to public records.

She also owns two additional properties in the area.

 

[Gardenista]

Didn't they also say they dumped part of a shower? Maybe they removed the shower in her place.

I never read anything about what was dumped, but I might have missed it.

 

[gitana1]

Thank you for this follow up - it seems the consensus on WS is it was filed after date of death JMO

Yes. It's easy to determine:

It is a JV case. That's what CPS cases are filed under. It is true that domestic cases can be filed under that instead of as DR (domestic relations cases), but they would be filed as a child support case or parentage case and THEN custody issues could also be later determined per the same case number.

So in order for that to have been filed prior to the date of death, there would have to be something else on the docket previously. Like a petition to establish parentage and/or a child support action.

Also, more typically, such a case (unmarried parents/paternity/child support/custody) is filed as a DR case.

Another hint is that in CPS cases around the country there has to be a hearing within days of taking a child into protective custody. And such a case would be opened in CO under the JV case number.

So are there two simultaneous cases involving the custody of the baby, one a juvenile case involving CPS and one a domestic case also filed under a juvenile case number?

The only thing surprising to me is that any info at all would be accessible online about a CPS case. (I think it's DHHS in CO).

 

[cattlekate]

Kelsey's parents are retired hay farmers. So Kelsey most likely grew up on a farm. She like animals and the outdoors. I bet PF made it sound like his mom's "ranch" was his. The tall quiet rodeo cowboy with a 35 acre property who works with horses, breeds cow dogs and has some cattle might have been attractive for a woman raised on a farm. I think she would have felt right at home living on his property-- except it wasn't his and his mom lived there.

Agree. I’d sure like to see PF’s advertisement on the website they met on. I don’t think he’s conniving like Harold Henthorne but think he’s just rather just volatile and stupid.

 

[1mtroyal]

We know so little about PF that it's hard to speculate, but I think he may have asked a family member if he has any relatives that helped get him out of more minor legal troubles in the past. MOO.

There were probably a lot of college students going back to Idaho colleges after Thanksgiving. He could have said "Could you take this phone and send these two text messages when you get to Gooding?"

 

[CuriousCricket]

I wish we had a LOVE button because this is perfect. I really did think that sometimes they do it to elicit a response from family or friends, but I do believe that much of it is a hurried response without paying attention to details.

I agree with you that must of the time it is a hurried response. However, you are also probably/perhaps dealing with the reporter either calling in the report and someone else typing it and perhaps a third person editing it. Or the reporter hurriedly typing something up, sending it to be edited and in a hurry for "breaking news." I can't tell you how many times "mistakes" get edited into a piece by some editor who thinks they understand and are making something plainer.

 

[stillta]

Did you notice any major police presence anywhere yesterday, Stillta? And did you check the Gorge? I'm just curious if anything looked out of the ordinary beyond the Christmas mayhem. I was thinking of driving out there today but if they have truly found the phone it would be pointless. I don't think they have though.

My husband and I spent most of the day driving around out there. We kept an eye on the side of the roads including the interstate from Burley to Wendell, looked for police presence, went into the gorge park and looked into the gorge and then finally drove back in to Twin Falls. Did not see anything amiss at all.

 

[SoVeryMe]

Agree. I’d sure like to see PF’s advertisement on the website they met on. I don’t think he’s conniving like Harold Henthorne but think he’s just rather just volatile and stupid.

Agreed, some people are painfully socially awkward and are able to present themselves better online than in person.

IMO PF didn’t come across as charming from the little that we saw of him so he may have appeared better on paper than he was in “real life” where his true chapter was bound to show itself.

What the OP said was spot on imo.

 

[scdiv]

BBM I can't believe that a suspect would even go to the dump in the midst of this. Also can't believe he got away with what he's gotten away with for a month - which has lead, imo, to his boldness. I think when LE was searching everywhere but her house it emboldened him, once they started back at her house he knew he was in deep doo.

There has been an arrogance about him that has been hard to fathom. In the midst of the mother of his child "missing," he never showed any emotion, fake concern, willingness to "help," has been surly whenever the media spotted him, and his big outing out is a trip to the local dump. From an outside view, it's just felt like one big middle finger to the investigation. I do think he got bold. And it will be so interesting to know where he screwed up and who he irked enough to start talking to give LE enough solid information to implicate him and charge with first degree murder and solicitation for murder.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Yes, it was reported in this Daily Mail article however, we are not allowed to sleuth family.

Fiance of missing Colorado woman Kelsey Berreth appears in court | Daily Mail Online
Sheila Frazee, the mother of the suspect, has also been detained by authorities but not placed under arrest.

The divorced mother of four, who is a registered nurse, lives with her youngest son at the ranch, which she outright owns according to public records.

She also owns two additional properties in the area.

MOO I don’t think that’s sleuthing family, it’s suggesting a possible site for KB’s body and/or additional evidence.

 

[Gardener1850]

It seems to me that someone or something indicated to police that her walls had been repainted.

Interesting theory. How would someone accomplish that without neighbors noticing? I have been repainting the walls in my house room-by-room this year and it takes a lot of time and equipment-- ladder, paint, tape, brushes, rollers, drop clothes, etc. Someone would have to have been parked at her home for several hours, possibly more than one day to do that. Even my small guest bath took me several days as I had to do two coats to cover (walls were white and I painted a light beige color). And there would be noise as someone painted coming through the walls to the neighbor who shares a wall with KB's unit. JMO.

 

[PommyMommy]

MOO I don’t think that’s sleuthing family, it’s suggesting a possible site for KB’s body and/or additional evidence.

It's a fine line, I think. It might be a good idea to ask a mod (certainly before throwing out any addresses or such) as I believe sleuthing family was the main reason the thread was shut down last night. I tend to err on the side of caution. MOO

 

[Jazzy5980]

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[WildWest]

Didn’t we see somewhere in the MSM reports that PF’s mom, in addition to owning the “ranch also owned two other pieces of property? Am I the only one wondering about those locations and whether or not they’ve been thoroughly searched?

Delete, unsure of TOS

 

[LAHOLLA]

Interesting theory. How would someone accomplish that without neighbors noticing? I have been repainting the walls in my house room-by-room this year and it takes a lot of time and equipment-- ladder, paint, tape, brushes, rollers, drop clothes, etc. Someone would have to have been parked at her home for several houses, possibly more than one day to do that. Even my small guest bath took me several days as I had to do two coats to cover (walls were white and I painted a light beige color). And there would be noise as someone painted coming through the walls to the neighbor who shares a wall with KB's unit. JMO.

Well it could have just been one wall/room/area. There are also paints that cover in one coat. I haven’t looked at the pics of her interior recently but not all walls have trim, etc.

 

[esayer]

I never read anything about what was dumped, but I might have missed it.

I have but I can't find it now.

 

[BuySellTrade]

MOO. Sadly, true investigative journalism appears to be a dying art form. Everything is reported in headlines and blurbs and nothing appears to be researched, well thought out or rationalized anymore. The media is not solely to blame. How we consume media has changed. The 24 hour news cycle, if it bleeds, it leads, has so desensitized people to the horrors of “simple” tragedy that we don’t have the patience, nor the appropriate outrage to demand a difference. Media is responding to market demand. News bureaus are no longer independent, they are part of the entertainment divisions of their larger conglomerates. If the in-depth, well researched story consumes more time/monetary resources than it returns, then slap a headline on half assed whatever, pump it out and move on..... And this is me stepping down off my soap box, one hoof at a time MOOing loudly.......

Here is a link to an interesting recent article about the public's rabid interest in True Crime that related to your post. The article sheds light on WS and the WS community but also the popularity of True Crime in the overlapping news and entertainment medias. Media moves fast but as you say, "if it bleeds, it leads". I recently signed on to WS but have read here for over a decade. ID channel and Forensic files and the like are in my regular TV watching habits.

Is Our Love of True Crime Shows Really About Social Justice?

 

[enelram]

Didn't they also say they dumped part of a shower? Maybe they removed the shower in her place.

I can't find anything online about what police found from his
dumped items BUT LE did scoop up some of his dumped items
and then went right back to KB's home to search some more.
So there was something dumped that tipped LE off that they
needed to go back to her home.