CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #15 *ARREST*

[Charlot123]

Sure it is, when people say all the things she did wrong, or the reasons he may be mad enough to kill her, those are all victim blaming. When in reality, the only motive was his mental state, that was all him and had nothing to do with her. She could have been someone else and he still would have had whatever issues he has to make him kill someone. So people really need to lay off finding all the little things wrong that Kelsey did, and focus on the actual murderer.

I view people who start complaining "victim blaming" when anyone just assumes that Kelsey, a beautiful, hard-working, independent mom might have fallen of love with Patrick and had another relationship, as prejudiced and misogynistic as people who assume that having a child out of wedlock is shameful.

There is a totally different way of viewing the whole situation.

One feels sorry for this strong, hard-working, beautiful mom, commuting long hours every day, to her dream job, not moving anywhere closer to D.Aviation, because she was locked in this relationship with Patrick, for the sake of raising her daughter with both parents. One feels even more sorry for her if she loved this disgusting . She deserved better, much better than him.

Logic prompts me that she was too exhausted and isolated to even look for a relationship. But if we ever know that she had one, a good one, I shall be only happy for her. Imagine how tired she was, to raise a kid, to work, and to be stuck with this Patrick, who, instead of gratitude for a child, thought of nothing better than killing baby K' s mother. One wishes that KB met a really deserving man instead.

 

[NanZDrew]

Agreed. There’s so much we don’t know. A theory we strongly disagree with or think is unlikely could end up being right in the end.

And our sweet little minds have trouble even comprehending their evil.

 

[Hatch]

I think the phone was sent by mail or given to someone who took it there with or without thier knowledge. Perhaps even to implicate them in the crime.
I think the phone had 2 scheduled texts prepared to go out when it left his hands.
He got lucky that the battery didn't die OR he did have someone else send the texts that Sunday.
I'm leaning more towards having someone else send them and that they are talking to police.
Moo

The reason I was asking about associates being a pilot , at certain altitudes you can text, I know this from a family member being a pilot , the text could of been sent then the phone thrown out somewhere in that vast area of wilderness . JMHO

 

[Irmese]

Best to delete that before the Mods see it or you may get a time out. We can't blame family of the suspect or repeat rumor.

Are you telling me that?

 

[MassGuy]

The reason I was asking about associates being a pilot , at certain altitudes you can text, I know this from a family member being a pilot , the text could of been sent then the phone thrown out somewhere in that vast area of wilderness . JMHO

Airports were checked in the course of this investigation.

Also, this wouldn’t explain the search warrants that have been executed in the general area of that ping.

They likely had something to do with this phone, or something to do with the murder itself, which would in turn explain the phone being in that area.

So at this point, I think this theory is unlikely.

 

[NanZDrew]

Hmmm. That would be an interesting twist, but I wonder about taste. Also the tranquilizer would not go immediately into the bloodstream like an injectible. Of course if he gave a horse dose to a tiny filly, like KB, it might do the trick. That would forever change cinnamon rolls for all of us.

So now that I went there, let me continue that scenario. Maybe it was not injected, but ingested. The article I posted from American Farriers Journal was about a gel form that must be placed under the tongue. So in wild speculation, what if HE made the cinnamon rolls and put that gel in the icing? Crazy, off the wall, no evidence speculation. I know, but that's where my mind went.

 

[Charlot123]

If only this were true! Agent Cooper to the rescue!

(teasing -- I'm sure you meant Twin Falls, not Twin Peaks)

Also, I will agree with you and guess that he (or someone) did drive her to Idaho. Probably her body, though I'm also playing with the idea that she was still alive when driven away. Of course this means that whatever evidence was found in her home wasn't definitive in determining that that's where she died. Maybe if he re-entered her home afterward, he left definitive evidence of her death at that point. It's a stretch, I know.

I thought she was driven to Idaho alive, and killed there. But now since they posted she was killed at home, I think it is a stretch. I think that even her body did not make such a long trip. 2 hours down some small road, off I-24, maximum. Maybe some lake.

 

[MyBelle]

Except people are basically saying he killed her because she was with someone else, which a) there's absolutely zero evidence that she was, and b) still isn't an excuse to kill someone, and c) is total victim blaming in the context of the posts.

I've not seen that here. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for murder. Some are speculating as to PF's MOTIVE, which isn't victim blaming. No matter his motive, the punishment isn't tailored to his motive, it is a consequence to his actions. JMO

 

[nwmouse]

Or take her dismembered body to Idaho in an ice cooler and bury her deep in a grave on public property that is not connected to any of them. Cover her body well in lime to prohibit bacterial growth and slow decomposition and smells. It is already snowing there which would quickly cover up a clandestine grave. The only way you would ever find her would be if somebody remembered where they buried her and confessed.

Yep, or a random hiker, like up in Alaska.

 

[NanZDrew]

Are you telling me that?

No. I'm sorry. I must have replied to your reply. No, just warning the OP the mentioned his mom.

 

[heli]

Authorities in Idaho say they have executed search warrants connected to the disappearance of Colorado mom, Kelsey Berreth, who is presumed dead

This is on DM today

 

[Mercedes]

This is what I was thinking though. She didn’t give the baby her last name...that makes me wonder if she had either broken up with him or didn’t intend to marry him anytime soon.

 

[Irmese]

I view people who start complaining "victim blaming" when anyone just assumes that Kelsey, a beautiful, hard-working, independent mom might have fallen of love with Patrick and had another relationship, as prejudiced and misogynistic as people who assume that having a child out of wedlock is shameful..

I have to disagree with you. I have no problem with her having a child out of wedlock and have stated more than once that it may have been by choice. There is absolutely no evidence to support the idea she had another bf. Her mother said KB and PF were engaged. KB has been gone for a month and nothing has surfaced yet about either KB or PF having other lovers. Maybe that will come up as the investigation and trial go on, but to keep insisting that there was another lover is disrespectful to KB and her family.

 

[NanZDrew]

I thought she was driven to Idaho alive, and killed there. But now since they posted she was killed at home, I think it is a stretch. I think that even her body did not make such a long trip. 2 hours down some small road, off I-24, maximum. Maybe some lake.

I agree. Burial is better. After a while, as we learned from Scott Petersen, bones and ligaments separate and things rise. But I bet they didn't take her all the way to Idaho, but then again...you never know.

 

[Juledrops]

Redirect Notice

Absolutely heartbreaking. Such a beautiful little girl has now lost her Mummy to yet another piece of evil..

 

[gitana1]

That’s not how motive works in a legal sense. Otherwise everyone would be not guilty by reason of insanity. Obviously anyone who kills someone has a mental illness. That illness usually always has a trigger, and causes the killer to react.

But motive isn't relevant legally. It's not an element of murder. Or solicitation.

 

[jewelsmac]

This crossed my mind too. I remember another case where they took pipes apart to recover evidence.

As an old plumbers daughter, if you’re making that much noise removing pipes, you’re doing it wrong.

 

[Irmese]

Hmmm. That would be an interesting twist, but I wonder about taste. Also the tranquilizer would not go immediately into the bloodstream like an injectible. Of course if he gave a horse dose to a tiny filly, like KB, it might do the trick. That would forever change cinnamon rolls for all of us.

True, I don't know about the taste. I'm not invested in this idea. I just thought about it after reading of the gel product.

 

[MsBetsy]

I view people who start complaining "victim blaming" when anyone just assumes that Kelsey, a beautiful, hard-working, independent mom might have fallen of love with Patrick and had another relationship, as prejudiced and misogynistic as people who assume that having a child out of wedlock is shameful.

There is a totally different way of viewing the whole situation.

One feels sorry for this strong, hard-working, beautiful mom, commuting long hours every day, to her dream job, not moving anywhere closer to D.Aviation, because she was locked in this relationship with Patrick, for the sake of raising her daughter with both parents. One feels even more sorry for her if she loved this disgusting . She deserved better, much better than him.

Logic prompts me that she was too exhausted and isolated to even look for a relationship. But if we ever know that she had one, a good one, I shall be only happy for her. Imagine how tired she was, to raise a kid, to work, and to be stuck with this Patrick, who, instead of gratitude for a child, thought of nothing better than killing baby K' s mother. One wishes that KB met a really deserving man instead.

If only she HAD been seeing someone else! He may have been with her on Thanksgiving and this might never have happened! Jmo

 

[jewelsmac]

Haaaaa.

What Margarita wishes to convey, is that although Colorado is a death penalty state, the death penalty is not a legitimate concern to people convicted of murder.

There are a grand total of three people on death row there, and the last execution was over 20 years ago.

People aren’t sentenced to death with any regularity, and when they are, the death penalty is not carried out.

If you are sentenced to death, you will die of natural causes in prison.

Interesting. There are over 700 people on death row here in California, and no one has been executed in over a decade. It certainly doesn’t seem to be any kind of deterrent. so even sentencing people to death, doesn’t result in death .