CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #16 *ARREST*

[Johnny1181]

It's officially time here! For those who celebrate Merry Christmas! On to a New Year that I hope treats us all well and allows those who won't see this new season and those who love them to have peace.

ETO #ShineLikeShanann

 

[Jennifer17]

Not going there again. Nothing about that case was complicated. He tried to cover his butt and was caught.

And yeah.... he did mark the oil tanks he dumped his daughters in... one by one.. step by step... dump and dump. Even described the sound. Because he said that was his only choice after their loving mother murdered them. Not.

Moving on.

New topic. New thread. Not going there again. CW is a monster. That case is over and I pray for Shanann, Nico, Bella, and CeCe every day.

This is a new thread and a different case.

Any thoughts on why there was a "hand off" of the baby?

I may have missed it, admittedly catching up. But why weren't they spending the day together?

All jmo

We only have his word that there was a hand off of the baby. Her mother thought that the baby and she were going to spend Tgiving with him.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

Uh....how could he possibly plead insanity as long as he doesn't want anything to do with medical doctors or mental health personnel? And the wish for a polygraph with our favorite polygrapher? That ain't gonna happen.
This guy is as strange as CW. There are just some people who can do total silence. I have a brother like that. CW on the other hand....during his porch interview, I just kept saying to the TV (there I go talking to the TV again) shut up, shut UP, SHUT UP!!!

 

[Johnny1181]

We only have his word that there was a hand off of the baby. Her mother thought that the baby and she were going to spend Tgiving with him.

And it seems she called her mother for recipe help. Thank you! Caught up. And still learning as always

 

[Johnny1181]

So.... I'm sorry to be blunt here. We see over and over these women and girls being murdered again and again. And again.

What's the consensus if there is one here on motive? One seems to be as deluded as the next, other woman, life insurance, "freedom", rage. It goes on and on.

Are there ideas that I'm missing on why this "cowboy" decided this loving mama, daughter, neighbor, woman decided should be murdered?

 

[InvSmith]

Agree, he left her somewhere he's comfortable with and it's closer than Idaho. And I think he had it planned before it ever happened, jmo. Maybe not that very moment but he had a plan for her.

Someone a ways back raised

I’m confident that they would have used luminol at the outset, but I don’t get the impression that they found anything.

Had they found something then, they wouldn’t have had to go back this far into the investigation, to repeat it.

My feeling is that something happened between the initial search, and the final one, that focused them in on key areas of the house to examine.

I just don’t know if it was lab results from earlier on, something discovered elsewhere, or a statement from an informant (ie. an accomplice).

But I don’t think they found something early on, then kept it quiet. This was a new development.

A game changing one.

I would think that based on just his initial interview of not contacting her mom or police once missing, he was suspect. Once, they saw her belongings were left behind with her cars and he by his own admission saw her last he was suspect. I was under the impression that LE probably collected evidence but kept appearances routine to keep PF less apprehensive.

 

[MassGuy]

So.... I'm sorry to be blunt here. We see over and over these women and girls being murdered again and again. And again.

What's the consensus if there is one here on motive? One seems to be as deluded as the next, other woman, life insurance, "freedom", rage. It goes on and on.

Are there ideas that I'm missing on why this "cowboy" decided this loving mama, daughter, neighbor, woman decided should be murdered?

Personally, I don’t see a clear picture as to what the motive is here.

My best guess, is that the relationship was on the rocks, and <modsnipped> Pat wanted to have sole custody of their child.

Perhaps he didn’t want to pay child support either.

The fact that he actually solicited someone to aid or commit this crime, means that it was premeditated.

This wasn’t your (unfortunately) typical crime of passion.

 

[Trudie]

Personally, I don’t see a clear picture as to what the motive is here.

My best guess, is that the relationship was on the rocks, and Cowboy Pat wanted to have sole custody of their child.

Perhaps he didn’t want to pay child support either.

The fact that he actually solicited someone to aid or commit this crime, means that it was premeditated.

This wasn’t your (unfortunately) typical crime of passion.

I can’t wait to hear what he offered someone for their services. Guess PF had it all figured out. John Doe can get rid of her, if he gets caught, no one will believe I hired him,
K will be dead, I got the kid and no support.

Well, happy trails PF, this ain’t how it works.

 

[InvSmith]

So.... I'm sorry to be blunt here. We see over and over these women and girls being murdered again and again. And again.

What's the consensus if there is one here on motive? One seems to be as deluded as the next, other woman, life insurance, "freedom", rage. It goes on and on.

Are there ideas that I'm missing on why this "cowboy" decided this loving mama, daughter, neighbor, woman decided should be murdered?

She would NOT comply. She realized what he was and wanted out and if he could not have her and his way, then no one would. His pride was worth more than her life and freedom.

 

[Jennifer17]

Personally, I don’t see a clear picture as to what the motive is here.

My best guess, is that the relationship was on the rocks, and Cowboy Pat wanted to have sole custody of their child.

Perhaps he didn’t want to pay child support either.

The fact that he actually solicited someone to aid or commit this crime, means that it was premeditated.

This wasn’t your (unfortunately) typical crime of passion.

I hate that term 'crime of passion' when men who have abused their wives or girlfriends, sometimes over years, finally kill them.

 

[Johnny1181]

Personally, I don’t see a clear picture as to what the motive is here.

My best guess, is that the relationship was on the rocks, and Cowboy Pat wanted to have sole custody of their child.

Perhaps he didn’t want to pay child support either.

The fact that he actually solicited someone to aid or commit this crime, means that it was premeditated.

This wasn’t your (unfortunately) typical crime of passion.

I hear you and think you're right on target. You always are.

On a more somber note... wow... what a reason to murder another woman, mother, and daughter.

Prayers up tonight.

ETO.... kinda sick of these same stories again and again. She's dead, missing, raped, left for dead, beaten, all the same again and again. There must be something we can do to do better. There must be something. That's all.

 

[MassGuy]

I hate that term 'crime of passion' when men who have abused their wives or girlfriends, sometimes over years, finally kill them.

Yup. Generally it isn’t an isolated incident, and there are numerous other instances of abuse, prior to a murder being committed in a moment of rage.

I hope that isn’t the case here, as I’d like to think this wasn’t a drawn out process of pain and suffering at the hands of a controlling monster.

This is bad enough.

 

[Jennifer17]

Yup. Generally it isn’t an isolated incident, and there are numerous other instances of abuse, prior to a murder being committed in a moment of rage.

I hope that isn’t the case here, as I’d like to think this wasn’t a drawn out process of pain and suffering at the hands of a controlling monster.

This is bad enough.

I can't believe that this was his first go at domestic abuse.
Women sometimes do not tell another soul about it, because domestic abusers will often convince them that it is their fault.
And if they have been ground down enough, some believe it.

 

[MassGuy]

I can't believe that this was his first go at domestic abuse.
Women sometimes do not tell another soul about it, because domestic abusers will often convince them that it is their fault.

I don’t believe that either.

He apparently abused animals when he became angry. That type of thing tends to carry over to relationships with people.

I’d bet the farm, or in this case, <modsnipped> Pat’s “ranchette,” on that.

 

[Trudie]

She would NOT comply. She realized what he was and wanted out and if he could not have her and his way, then no one would. His pride was worth more than her life and freedom.

I really wonder if her REPORTEDLY not wanting to move to his house was a big issue with him. Bet he didn’t like her spending HER money on a house payment. Not as much as he’d like her bringing her paycheck to the ranch.

 

[bestill]

Maybe his issue is independent women, he's used to them (his mother obviously is one) and drawn to them, Kelsey was too. Their success magnified his lack of achievement. It was his norm in his life - but he resented it yet was drawn to it, iykwim.

 

[Jennifer17]

Maybe his issue is independent women, he's used to them (his mother obviously is one) and drawn to them, Kelsey was too. Their success magnified his lack of achievement. It was his norm in his life - but he resented it yet was drawn to it, iykwim.

I haven't seen any evidence that his mother was an independent woman.

 

[KALI]

I just want to say.
There really are wonderful, loving, kind and considerate men in this world.
I married my Studly man with a heart of gold 30 years ago.
He is my hero.
He has allowed me to be me. All of me, which includes surprising him with numerous horses and dogs. And more.
All while being comfortable in his manhood.
I consider myself lucky to have found a true loving man.
He is 70 years old now, but he bikes, he power walks, he sails our little boat, he brings me coffee in the morning and he loves our doggies.
I could not love my best friend, and husband more.
I just wanted to let you know, there truly are good mates out there.
I am so sad for Kelsey and so many others who have met a monster, instead of a prince.

 

[bestill]

I haven't seen any evidence that his mother was an independent woman.

I think she was financially independent and so was Kelsey. jmo

 

[Jennifer17]

I just want to say.
There really are wonderful, loving, kind and considerate men in this world.
I married my Studly man with a heart of gold 30 years ago.
He is my hero.
He has allowed me to be me. All of me, which includes surprising him with numerous horses and dogs. And more.
All while being comfortable in his manhood.
I consider myself lucky to have found a true loving man.
He is 70 years old now, but he bikes, he power walks, he sails our little boat, he brings me coffee in the morning and he loves our doggies.
I could not love my best friend, and husband more.
I just wanted to let you know, there truly are good mates out there.
I am so sad for Kelsey and so many others who have met a monster, instead of a prince.

I think that we all know that. No one is bashing all men.