CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #17 *ARREST*

[FlossiePotts]

I like this theory, and find it entirely plausible.

I've been thinking about this being one or the other, premeditated vs crime of passion. I ruled out crime of passion because of the obvious premeditation element, but that might very well be flawed thinking.

This could still be an opportunistic crime, regardless of his prior actions.

You have to have a bit of rage toward a person if you wanted her dead.

 

[NanZDrew]

I like this theory, and find it entirely plausible.

I've been thinking about this being one or the other, premeditated vs crime of passion. I ruled out crime of passion because of the obvious premeditation element, but that might very well be flawed thinking.

This could still be an opportunistic crime, regardless of his prior actions.

Someone mentioned a cold and calculated rage. I guess you could call that a slow burn. Sometimes those are the most violent.

 

[esayer]

I don't know this time line. Did she move here for him or for the job?

For him, then had the barista job then got the flying job IMO

 

[MassGuy]

You have to have a bit of rage toward a person if you wanted her dead.

True. Anger would have to be present in either scenario.

 

[NanZDrew]

Found it:

Missing - Our - Kelsey Berreth

Can anyone identify the location?

This picture keeps making me sad. I really think this is the parking lot of Cripple Creek Museum. This picture may have been taken by PF. This place, based on their website starts having a lot of activity in March, April which is probably when she was newly pregnant but not showing (if she got pregnant in Jan/Feb). I am guessing March because she still needed a sweater, but no snow. She seems so happy here. So sad to think this area may be where she was later disposed of like trash.

 

[PrairieWind]

I think the solicitation charge caught us all off guard and sort of messed up our theories. Although I think many figured that if the Idaho cell ping was real there must have been some help after the fact. Ultimately we will have to wait to see how the evidence pans out. And it could very well be that when formal charges are announced by the prosecutor and the arraignment is held that the solicitation charge goes away, or is changed to "assessor y" or "conspiracy."

 

[esayer]

I don't know, but I'm now very curious about the timeline of when she moved there.

Did she move there before she applied for and accepted the job, and was it before or after she met PF? House was bought in May 2018 which means her daughter was 6 months old. I thought I read somewhere that her family helped her with this.

If she applied for the job before she met him, then he had nothing to do with her decision to move to the area - he didn't do a 1000 mile thing. The birth of her daughter very likely influenced her decision about how close she would live to work and his mom's acreage, but not her decision to live there. It was her dream job - which suggests that she wanted the job long before she met him.

She moved to CO for him, we know that for sure I believe...I am in an awkward spot in this thread, almost caught up but not totally so I think I'm responding twice to things sorry I'll stop!

 

[PrairieWind]

This picture keeps making me sad. I really think this is the parking lot of Cripple Creek Museum. This picture may have been taken by PF. This place, based on their website starts having a lot of activity in March, April which is probably when she was newly pregnant but not showing (if she got pregnant in Jan/Feb). I am guessing March because she still needed a sweater, but no snow. She seems so happy here. So sad to think this area may be where she was later disposed of like trash.

It makes me sad too. It shows what a beautiful and wonderful young lady she was. And also how petite.

 

[FlossiePotts]

I think the solicitation charge caught us all off guard and sort of messed up our theories. Although I think many figured that if the Idaho cell ping was real there must have been some help after the fact. Ultimately we will have to wait to see how the evidence pans out. And it could very well be that when formal charges are announced by the prosecutor and the arraignment is held that the solicitation charge goes away, or is changed to "assessor y" or "conspiracy."

Why would they get that mixed up? Solicitation to murder in the first degree is not the same charges as the ones that you have quoted.

 

[NanZDrew]

She moved to CO for him, we know that for sure I believe...I am in an awkward spot in this thread, almost caught up but not totally so I think I'm responding twice to things sorry I'll stop!

Understand what you are saying.

 

[v0x]

This was bad reporting from earlier today. The court hasn’t ruled on this yet. When they do, we should see new documents on this page:

Colorado Judicial Branch

Thanks @Mercedes for pointing this out earlier!

After seeing this is still posted on their website, and getting no response after tweeting @KKTV11News, I finally called their hotline. They said they’ll correct it.

 

[KBB87]

Thank you!

She met him online, she moved closer to him, she applied for and accepted a job in the area, she got pregnant, she bought a home.

Why didn't he move in with her? Where did she live before she bought her own place in May 2018?

"Kelsey Berreth’s decision to move to Colorado in 2016 was motivated by love, according to a family member.

Ed Stanfill, Berreth’s uncle ... she wanted to get closer to then-boyfriend Patrick Frazee. After she moved, Stanfill said she accepted a job at Doss Aviation.
...

chose to live in Woodland Park to be closer to Frazee. She did not live with Frazee ... because the now-fiancé also lives with his mother.
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Berreth, who had attended flight school and worked as an instructor in Washington, got to know Frazee some time before moving to Colorado in 2016."
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Family: Kelsey Berreth moved to Colorado to be closer to Frazee

I believe a neighbor said she had rented a different townhome in the same complex before her parents bought/helped her buy the one she was currently living in through their LLC or whatever.

 

[NanZDrew]

Why would they get that mixed up? Solicitation to murder in the first degree is not the same charges as the ones that you have quoted.

What she is saying makes sense. Charges can always be added or dropped as a case progresses. They can be upgraded or downgraded. They could also have a charge for 1st degree murder with 2nd degree murder for an alternative. Right now, I think they are going for what they feel they have at the moment and getting him off the streets.

 

[MassGuy]

After seeing this is still posted on their website, and getting no response after tweeting @ them, I finally called their hotline. They said they’ll correct it.

Lol. Good for you.

Ain't nobody got time for misinformation.

 

[NanZDrew]

I believe a neighbor said she had rented a different townhome in the same complex before her parents bought/helped her buy the one she was currently living in through their LLC or whatever.

Do you think that her parents buying the condo might have made him mad. Maybe he felt that was making it easier for her to get away from him, or he felt they saw through him. A narcissist gets really enraged if someone sees through them. The idea that he would not have ownership in this might also have made him angry.

 

[BRRI]

I think the solicitation charge caught us all off guard and sort of messed up our theories. Although I think many figured that if the Idaho cell ping was real there must have been some help after the fact. Ultimately we will have to wait to see how the evidence pans out. And it could very well be that when formal charges are announced by the prosecutor and the arraignment is held that the solicitation charge goes away, or is changed to "assessor y" or "conspiracy."

Yes agree. We actually don’t know when the solicitation attempt took place either. Maybe it was a year ago, brushed aside by the person who was solicited because they said no, and that person came forward when they saw she was missing.

 

[FlossiePotts]

What she is saying makes sense. Charges can always be added or dropped as a case progresses. They can be upgraded or downgraded. They could also have a charge for 1st degree murder with and 2nd degree murder for an alternative. Right now, I think they are going for what they feel they have at the moment and getting him off the streets.

But isn't solicitation quite clear? That is asking someone to murder someone. It is not helping someone to help them get rid of a body.

 

[Charlot123]

Sorry I oversnipped this post by @Gardener1850

I bet he also didn't buy her any Christmas gifts this year-- which would be pretty telling. He knew she wasn't coming back when she was "missing". And if he knew he was going to murder her in advance of when he did, then he wasn't going to include her in any future Christmas plans. MOO.

My idea: But if he bought a Christmas gift, and not for his mother ( fit for a young woman), could it mean that someone else emerged on his horizon?

 

[MassGuy]

Yes agree. We actually don’t know when the solicitation attempt took place either. Maybe it was a year ago, brushed aside by the person who was solicited because they said no, and that person came forward when they saw she was missing.

I agree. I would imagine that its hard to find someone willing to kill for you, and I've heard of cases where someone has to ask several people, before someone finally agrees.

Even then they might not do it, or they pass it off to someone who is willing to do it.

It's entirely possible that it happened the way you suggest.

 

[FlossiePotts]

Sorry I oversnipped this post by @Gardener1850

My idea: But if he bought a Christmas gift, and not for his mother ( fit for a young woman), could it mean that someone else emerged on his horizon?

That would not mean anything to me. I start my Christmas shopping on the 23rd of December.